Hmmm....looks like the long range missle thing didn't work out so well...

[kyzr]

First of all, there is genocide of Russian people. And no, leopard can't change its spots. They tried to genocide us in the past, and they would try to genocide us in future, if they see the opportunity.

Of course there is the way. We can kill you first.

Plain lie.

We don't need a ceasefire. We need lasting, reliable peace. And this peace is only possible in the case of denazification of Ukraine and whole europe, as well as returning NATO's military infrastructure back to at least 1997 borders

Ukraine was more or less sovereign nation. Now they are just a bunch of hired guns and neo-nazi nest. Did I say a word about USSR? No. Union, Federation, Great Duchy or Empire... All those are just tools. Safety and wealth of Russian people is our goal.

Wrong assumption.

Really? How many Putin's generals do you know?

1. Can you prove that there has been a recent genocide against Russians, if you can by whom? No, you can't, that is a plain lie. No one wants to kill Russians. Before Putin invaded Ukraine Russia was in the community of nations. There was no animosity toward Russians. I think we were even investing in Russia. Now we sanction Russia, computer chips are not readily available, are they?

2. It doesn't matter who gets killed first by a few minutes or in a few months from radiation. Dead is dead. You can't stop the massive retaliation by NATO.

3. NATO is defending Ukraine from attack by Putin's army and North Koreans, only military targets are being hit inside Russia, no one is murdering Russian civilians. This is TRUTH, not a lie. If Putin takes the peace deal no one dies.

4. The 1997 USSR border is not happening. If you want safety and prosperity stop the war. Sending nukes ends in death and destruction., that is not an assumption, that is a fact. A "wrong assumption" was that Russia could take Ukraine in 3-days.

5. Ukraine is a sovereign nation that Russia invaded. If you want the war to stop take the peace deal.

6. Putin's generals don't stay very long. I remember his "chef" Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner Group. Russians were cheering them because they thought they were going to Moscow to depose Putin.

 

[Zavulon]

1. Can you prove that there has been a recent genocide against Russians? No, you can't, that is a lie.

Can I prove it to a bigot like you? Hardly. But after the war there will be the court and our judges will decide who is who.

2. It doesn't matter who gets killed first by a few minutes or in a few months from radiation. Dead is dead. You can't stop the massive retaliation by NATO.

Of course we can. And no, deaths from radiation will take place in some very limited regions. Most of people will survive.

3. NATO is defending Ukraine from attack by Putin's army and North Koreans, only military targets are being hit inside Russia, no one is murdering Russian civilians. This is TRUTH, not a lie. If Putin takes the peace deal no one dies.

If Putin accepts cheasefire - NATO will attack pretty soon once again. Therefore, we need reliable and lasting peace.

4. The 1997 USSR border is not happening.

No. There were no USSR in 1997, if you need to know. We are talking about NATO's 1997 borders.

If you want safety and prosperity stop the war.

We don't need to stop the war. We need to finish it. And we are determined to finish it by the decisive victory.

Sending nukes ends in death and destruction., that is not an assumption, that is a fact.

"Death and destruction" is not the end. Its a beginning.

A "wrong assumption" was that Russia could take Ukraine in 3-days.

There were good chances to achieve a more or less mutually acceptable peace deal back in the March of 2022. But some western freaks decided that they achieve better terms continue fighting. They proved wrong.

5. Ukraine is a sovereign nation that Russia invaded.

No.

If you want the war to stop take the peace deal.

We don't want to stop the war. We are going to finish it.

6. Putin's generals don't stay very long. I remember his "chef" Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner Group. Russians were cheering them because they thought they were going to Moscow to depose Putin.

Generals are soldiers too. That's their professional risk. And if a failed soldier get a bullet in his chest, a failed General get a bullet in the back of his head.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Total genocide of Russian people, for example, even if we are talking about messing uncontrollable escalation to all out nuclear war. The "smart" attack is preferred even to conventional victory if the price of conventional victory is more than 1 mln of killed and potential price of smart nuclear attack is less than 1 mln of killed.



Of course Russia can defeat both Ukraine and NATO. Right now we are already fighting NATO countries in more or less proxy war, and this is only a matter of time when the war will become more direct. And when the fight is inevitable and you have a big iron on your hip - its logical to shoot first and shoot precise.


No deal until NATO's military infrastructure is returned to 1997 borders. We need good and reliable peace, not some kind of cheesfire.


Of course we can defeat NATO and we'll do it, whatever the price is. Read #1 again. Victory in the nuclear war is possible, the only question is the price of it. And no price is "too high" when we are talking about the very existence of the Russian people.

You absolute moron, you aren't fighting NATO, you are fighting NATO's fingernail clippings. You are fighting a bunch of mostly obsolete or dated equipment that had zero value, and the ammo and missiles were on the verge of having to be very expensively demilitarized. They had reached or nearly reached their expiration date like the TOW missiles that Reagan traded to Iran for hostages that were nearly as dangerous to the Iranians as the Iraqis they were fired at.

 

[kyzr]

Can I prove it to a bigot like you? Hardly. But after the war there will be the court and our judges will decide who is who.

If Putin accepts ceasefire - NATO will attack pretty soon once again. Therefore, we need reliable and lasting peace.

No. There were no USSR in 1997, if you need to know. We are talking about NATO's 1997 borders.

We don't need to stop the war. We need to finish it. And we are determined to finish it by the decisive victory.

There were good chances to achieve a more or less mutually acceptable peace deal back in the March of 2022. But some western freaks decided that they achieve better terms continue fighting. They proved wrong.

No.

We don't want to stop the war. We are going to finish it.

Generals are soldiers too. That's their professional risk. And if a failed soldier get a bullet in his chest, a failed General get a bullet in the back of his head.

1. So there is no provable genocide. Just the "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" commies.

2. NATO has never attacked Russia. There is no "once again".

3. The war has been going for 3-years. Russia has 750,000 dead and counting. You lost the war already, the people don't support it. The people cheered Prigozhin when they thought he was going to Moscow to depose Putin.

4. YES, Ukraine is a sovereign country that Russia invaded. That is the truth.

5. Continue the war if you want, its just more dead Russians. How many dead Russians is enough?

 

[Vrenn]

First of all, there is genocide of Russian people. And no, leopard can't change its spots. They tried to genocide us in the past, and they would try to genocide us in future, in they see the opportunity.

Of course there is the way. We can kill you first.


Plain lie.

We don't need a cheesfire. We need lasting, reliable peace. And this peace is only possible in the case of denazification of Ukraine and whole europe, as well as returning NATO's military infrastructure back to at least 1997 borders


Ukraine was more or less sovereign nation. Now they are just a bunch of hired guns and neo-nazi nest.


Did I say a word about USSR? No. Union, Federation, Great Duchy or Empire... All those are just tools. Safety and wealth of Russian people is our goal.


Wrong assumption.


Really? How many Putin's generals do you know?

Wow, I guess Russia has it's own form of a MAGAt.

 

[Zavulon]

You absolute moron, you aren't fighting NATO, you are fighting NATO's fingernail clippings. You are fighting a bunch of mostly obsolete or dated equipment that had zero value, and the ammo and missiles were on the verge of having to be very expensively demilitarized. They had reached or nearly reached their expiration date like the TOW missiles that Reagan traded to Iran for hostages that were nearly as dangerous to the Iranians as the Iraqis they were fired at.

We don't fight "equipment". We fight people. People who are paid, trained and directed by NATO countries.

 

[Zavulon]

Wow, I guess Russia has it's own form of a MAGAt.

Yes. And we are more than 86% of the voting population. Most of those who are not - already left the country.

 

[Zavulon]

1. So there is no provable genocide. Just the "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" commies.

There was, for example, NATO-countries supported Odessa Massacre, Terror campaigns in Kharkov and shelling of Donbass during eight years. There is offcial discrimination of Russians in Baltic states.

2. NATO has never attacked Russia. There is no "once again".

NATO is just a new alliance of Russia's old enemies. And they invade Russia at least twice a century.

3. The war has been going for 3-years. Russia has 750,000 dead and counting. You lost the war already, the people don't support it. The people cheered Prigozhin when they thought he was going to Moscow to depose Putin.

Plain lie in both cases.

4. YES, Ukraine is a sovereign country that Russia invaded. That is the truth.

No. They exist exclusively because western support. They have no elections, they can't decide their own fate.

5. Continue the war if you want, its just more dead Russians. How many dead Russians is enough?

Basically, the acceptable losses are more or less close to 50 mln killed. The motto "we can repeat" is pretty popular among Russian patriots.
I think that when estimation of possible losses in the conventional war will be more or less close to 1 mln killed - Russia will escalate to a limited counter-force strike against the USA and/or UK& France.

 

[kyzr]

There was, for example, NATO-countries supported Odessa Massacre, Terror campaigns in Kharkov and shelling of Donbass during eight years. There is official discrimination of Russians in Baltic states.

NATO is just a new alliance of Russia's old enemies. And they invade Russia at least twice a century.

Plain lie in both cases.

No. They exist exclusively because western support. They have no elections, they can't decide their own fate.

Basically, the acceptable losses are more or less close to 50 mln killed. The motto "we can repeat" is pretty popular among Russian patriots.
I think that when estimation of possible losses in the conventional war will be more or less close to 1 mln killed - Russia will escalate to a limited counter-force strike against the USA and/or UK& France.

1. The Odessa Massacre was not state sponsored, it was a street fight between pro-Russian and anti-Russian protesters.

2. NATO never invaded Russia. Otherwise NATO would own Russia.

3. This is the truth. Tell me what your truth is if these are lies
The war has been going for 3-years. Russia has 750,000 dead & injured and counting. You lost the war already, the people don't support it. The people cheered Prigozhin when they thought he was going to Moscow to depose Putin.

4. Ukraine is deciding their own fate. They don't want to be invaded by Russia. Russia has no right to invade Ukraine.

5. Your 50m acceptable losses are insane. Your threats to launch nuclear war is insane. "better dead than red" means "better dead than communist" from the old Cold War days. It is a true sentiment.

 

[Zavulon]

1. The Odessa Massacre was not state sponsored, it was a street fight between pro-Russian and anti-Russian protesters.

Of course it wasn't. There were no more or less proper state since Maidan coup. It was Junta sponsored. And after it Kievan regime approved their actions. They said "No problem, those were merely Russians. We allow true Ukrainian patriots to kill every traisonous Russian at the point". And when you say that things, when you lost your right to control those people.

2. NATO never invaded Russia. Otherwise NATO would own Russia.

Countries, who now united in NATO - the USA, the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Poland have been invading Russia for centuries (sometimes they invaded more or less united).

3. This is the truth. Tell me what your truth is if these are lies
The war has been going for 3-years.

No. If you mean conflict between Russia and Ukraine it started back in 2014 - more than ten years ago. If you mean direct war between Russia and the USA - it is going since November.

Russia has 750,000 dead & injured and counting.

If under "injured" you mean bruises and other minor traumae, it may be more or less accurate. In fact the level of traumatism and deaths is more or less comparable with the same from traffic accidents. Not good, but nothing that really needs attention.

You lost the war already, the people don't support it.

Of course people support it. The easiest way to earn popularity for a politician is to suggest nuclear strike on Washington.

The people cheered Prigozhin when they thought he was going to Moscow to depose Putin.

It was not about deposing Putin. It was more about arresting Shoigu (and other not effective enough generals). It was not about ending the war. It was about fighting it more effective.

4. Ukraine is deciding their own fate.

No. Ukraine is NATO occupied territory. Russian people there can't even leave country.

They don't want to be invaded by Russia. Russia has no right to invade Ukraine.

It is Russia's not only right, but duty to defend Russians, whereever they are in danger or under attack. Including Ukraine, Baltic states or the USA.

5. Your 50m acceptable losses are insane.

Russia lost about that many in WWII, but won the war. And, given the nature of European barbarians it was right decision.

Your threats to launch nuclear war is insane. "better dead than red" means "better dead than communist" from the old Cold War days. It is a true sentiment.

You see, modern USA is retarded LGBT version of the Soviet Union. And Europeans learnt nothing, they are pretty same that they in WWII, WWI, Crimean war, Napoleonic wars, Seven-year war, Russia-Sweden wars, Polish invasion during "time of troubles", Livonian wars or Northern Crusades. It is much better to die fighting them, rather than live under their rule.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Both Russia and Ukraine are running out of "cannon fodder".
Lets hope peace breaks out soon.

Russia has 750,000 dead, and Ukraine probably around that many. Such a stupid loss of lives.

We should have given Zelensky $100 billion more, that would have fixed the whole thing.

 

[AZrailwhale]

We don't fight "equipment". We fight people. People who are paid, trained and directed by NATO countries.

Wrong.

 

[kyzr]

Of course it wasn't. There were no more or less proper state since Maidan coup. It was Junta sponsored. And after it Kievan regime approved their actions. They said "No problem, those were merely Russians. We allow true Ukrainian patriots to kill every treasonous Russian at the point". And when you say that things, when you lost your right to control those people.

Countries, who now united in NATO - the USA, the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Poland have been invading Russia for centuries (sometimes they invaded more or less united).

No. If you mean conflict between Russia and Ukraine it started back in 2014 - more than ten years ago. If you mean direct war between Russia and the USA - it is going since November.

If under "injured" you mean bruises and other minor trauma, it may be more or less accurate. In fact the level of traumas and deaths is more or less comparable with the same from traffic accidents. Not good, but nothing that really needs attention.

Of course people support it. The easiest way to earn popularity for a politician is to suggest nuclear strike on Washington.

It was not about deposing Putin. It was more about arresting Shoigu (and other not effective enough generals). It was not about ending the war. It was about fighting it more effective.

No. Ukraine is NATO occupied territory. Russian people there can't even leave country. It is Russia's not only right, but duty to defend Russians, wherever they are in danger or under attack. Including Ukraine, Baltic states or the USA.

Russia lost about that many in WWII, but won the war. And, given the nature of European barbarians it was right decision.

You see, modern USA is retarded LGBT version of the Soviet Union. And Europeans learnt nothing, they are pretty same that they in WWII, WWI, Crimean war, Napoleonic wars, Seven-year war, Russia-Sweden wars, Polish invasion during "time of troubles", Livonian wars or Northern Crusades. It is much better to die fighting them, rather than live under their rule.

1. So Ukraine had a civil war of sorts. I saw the movie "Maidaan", it was a brutal fight for freedom from Russian rule. Today Ukraine is a democracy fighting Russian invaders with support from NATO as per the Budapest Memorandum.

2. The US never invaded Russia, without US aid in WW2 Hitler would have captured Russia. Пожалуйста.

3. Russia invaded Ukraine about 3-years ago, 22FEB2022. 2014 was a fight over Russian speaking regions like Donbas, but the actual fighting had stopped. It was a standoff until Putin invaded for his 3-day capture of Ukraine, and counting.

Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

4. People don't support the war, which is why men are leaving Russia. Don't believe your own Russian propaganda, people never want a nuclear war.

5. I recall Prigozhin was upset that Putin was not supporting his troops adequately, so he was going to Moscow to prove his power to Putin. Russians along the way cheered him on like a conquering hero because he was going to rid them of Putin.

Russia’s Growing Influence Abroad: Monument to Prigozhin Inaugurated in Central African Republic

A bronze statue of Yevgeny Prigozhin was unveiled in the Central African Republic, another example of Russia’s growing influence and deepening ties in the continent.

www.kyivpost.com

"Once close to Putin, relations broke down and Prigozhin ordered his troops to march on Moscow in June 2023."

6. Ukraine is a free country, anyone can leave. You are lying when you say Ukraine is NATO occupied territory, there are no NATO troops occupying Ukraine. NATO is furnishing equipment and arms to repel the invading Russians, not manpower. If there are Russians in the US or Baltic states they are tourists, unless they are here illegally, in which case they will be expelled by Trump and Homan.

7. We agree. Better to die fighting than live under Russian or Chinese rule. You talk a much bigger military capability than you actually have. The Ukraine war is bleeding Russian lives and resources. Russia just lost its warm water port in Syria. To keep going in Ukraine is moronic, better to cut a peace deal, claim victory, and live to fight another day. Threatening nuclear war is an act of desperation, like when Nikita said "we will bury you" (we're still here, the USSR is not).

 

[Zavulon]

1. So Ukraine had a civil war of sorts. I saw the movie "Maidaan", it was a brutal fight for freedom from Russian rule. Today Ukraine is a democracy fighting Russian invaders with support from NATO as per the Budapest Memorandum.

Civil war with foreign forces that involved is a proxy war between those foreign forces.

2. The US never invaded Russia, without US aid in WW2 Hitler would have captured Russia. Пожалуйста.

Read about American Expeditionary Force in Syberia, for starters.

American Expeditionary Force, Siberia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

3. Russia invaded Ukraine about 3-years ago, 22FEB2022. 2014 was a fight over Russian speaking regions like Donbas, but the actual fighting had stopped. It was a standoff until Putin invaded for his 3-day capture of Ukraine, and counting.

Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ukrainians doesn't agree with it. From their point of view Russia invaded in 2014. From the Russian point of view - Russia started SMO as a defensive action, after Ukrainian aggression against Russian allies - DPR and LPR.

4. People don't support the war, which is why men are leaving Russia.

Those who don't support, yes, they leave. But it is lesser than 1 mln of them and most of them already returned. And there is the difference between pacifism and cowardice. Many of those who left the country generally support the war (because it is a right thing to do) but try to avoid their personal participation in it (because they are cowads).

Don't believe your own Russian propaganda, people never want a nuclear war.

I live in Russia. I do know what the people want. People want safety and wealth. And when the nuclear war is the lesser evil - they support nuclear war. Enemy should be eliminated, that's what the people are interested in. Of the USA declared themselves as our enemies (and some American politicians actually used those words, and act as if we are) - then the USA should be eliminated, either.

5. I recall Prigozhin was upset that Putin was not supporting his troops adequately, so he was going to Moscow to prove his power to Putin.

No. It was a skirmish between ministry of defense and their contractors. Mostly about effectiveness of the war.

Russians along the way cheered him on like a conquering hero because he was going to rid them of Putin.

Russia’s Growing Influence Abroad: Monument to Prigozhin Inaugurated in Central African Republic

A bronze statue of Yevgeny Prigozhin was unveiled in the Central African Republic, another example of Russia’s growing influence and deepening ties in the continent.

www.kyivpost.com

"Once close to Putin, relations broke down and Prigozhin ordered his troops to march on Moscow in June 2023."

You quote "kievpost"? Wow, it was really stupid, even for you.

6. Ukraine is a free country, anyone can leave.

Plain lie.

You are lying when you say Ukraine is NATO occupied territory, there are no NATO troops occupying Ukraine.

NATO control Ukraine not over troops on the ground, but through the money and intelligence.

NATO is furnishing equipment and arms to repel the invading Russians, not manpower. If there are Russians in the US or Baltic states they are tourists, unless they are here illegally, in which case they will be expelled by Trump and Homan.

Of course no. There are a lot of Russians who was born and raised in Baltic states.

7. We agree. Better to die fighting than live under Russian or Chinese rule.

As if we are against it. If you believe that it is the best way to finish your life - die for the right of Ukrainian and Baltic nazies discriminate, abuse and kill Russians - it's your funerals. If you believe that the world of equal rights and equal safety means "Russian or Chinese rule" - ok, that's your funerals, either.

You talk a much bigger military capability than you actually have.

Really? Wanna test?

The Ukraine war is bleeding Russian lives and resources.

As if it is not bleeding American lives and resources. Every billion dollar you've wasted in Ukraine - won't be used to save American lives. Every billion dollar you've printed - decrease international trust in dollar.

Russia just lost its warm water port in Syria.

Not yet.

To keep going in Ukraine is moronic, better to cut a peace deal, claim victory, and live to fight another day.

And give NATO time to concentrate their forces in Ukraine, develop Medium Range Ballistic Missiles, and after that day - attack Russia. Thank you, no way.

Threatening nuclear war is an act of desperation, like when Nikita said "we will bury you" (we're still here, the USSR is not).

It depends. From some points of view, America of sixties doesn't exist anymore (there is the retarded LGBT version of the late USSR instead) and Russia still exist after little rebranding.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Civil war with foreign forces that involved is a proxy war between those foreign forces.


Read about American Expeditionary Force in Syberia, for starters.

American Expeditionary Force, Siberia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ukrainians doesn't agree with it. From their point of view Russia invaded in 2014. From the Russian point of view - Russia started SMO as a defensive action, after Ukrainian aggression against Russian allies - DPR and LPR.


Those who don't support, yes, they leave. But it is lesser than 1 mln of them and most of them already returned. And there is the difference between pacifism and cowardice. Many of those who left the country generally support the war (because it is a right thing to do) but try to avoid their personal participation in it (because they are cowads).


I live in Russia. I do know what the people want. People want safety and wealth. And when the nuclear war is the lesser evil - they support nuclear war. Enemy should be eliminated, that's what the people are interested in. Of the USA declared themselves as our enemies (and some American politicians actually used those words, and act as if we are) - then the USA should be eliminated, either.


No. It was a skirmish between ministry of defense and their contractors. Mostly about effectiveness of the war.


You quote "kievpost"? Wow, it was really stupid, even for you.


Plain lie.


NATO control Ukraine not over troops on the ground, but through the money and intelligence.

Of course no. There are a lot of Russians who was born and raised in Baltic states.


As if we are against it. If you believe that it is the best way to finish your life - die for the right of Ukrainian and Baltic nazies discriminate, abuse and kill Russians - it's your funerals. If you believe that the world of equal rights and equal safety means "Russian or Chinese rule" - ok, that's your funerals, either.


Really? Wanna test?

As if it is not bleeding American lives and resources. Every billion dollar you've wasted in Ukraine - won't be used to save American lives. Every billion dollar you've printed - decrease international trust in dollar.


Not yet.


And give NATO time to concentrate their forces in Ukraine, develop Medium Range Ballistic Missiles, and after that day - attack Russia. Thank you, no way.


It depends. From some points of view, America of sixties doesn't exist anymore (there is the retarded LGBT version of the late USSR instead) and Russia still exist after little rebranding.

The American force in Siberia was there at the invitation of the legitimate royalist government of Russia. The Reds were revolutionaries and traitors. The Americans DIDN’T invade.

 

[Zavulon]

The American force in Siberia was there at the invitation of the legitimate royalist government of Russia. The Reds were revolutionaries and traitors. The Americans DIDN’T invade.

But the Reds saw the situation from the different point of view. They saw Kolchak not as a legitimate royalist, but as an American puppet and a part of American invasion.
And the Reds (from their point of view) defended interests of Russian and non-Russian people of former Russian Empire and Whites - worked for the foreign governments pillaging Russian people.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But the Reds saw the situation from the different point of view. They saw Kolchak not as a legitimate royalist, but as an American puppet and a part of American invasion.
And the Reds (from their point of view) defended interests of Russian and non-Russian people of former Russian Empire and Whites - worked for the foreign governments pillaging Russian people.

The Reds could look at it anyway they wanted to. They were still in rebellion against the internationally recognized Russian government, just like the Confederates were in rebellion against the internationally recognized American government.

 

[kyzr]

Civil war with foreign forces that involved is a proxy war between those foreign forces.

Read about American Expeditionary Force in Syberia, for starters

Ukrainians doesn't agree with it. From their point of view Russia invaded in 2014. From the Russian point of view - Russia started SMO as a defensive action, after Ukrainian aggression against Russian allies - DPR and LPR.

Those who don't support, yes, they leave. But it is lesser than 1 mln of them and most of them already returned. And there is the difference between pacifism and cowardice. Many of those who left the country generally support the war (because it is a right thing to do) but try to avoid their personal participation in it (because they are cowards).

I live in Russia. I do know what the people want. People want safety and wealth. And when the nuclear war is the lesser evil - they support nuclear war. Enemy should be eliminated, that's what the people are interested in. Of the USA declared themselves as our enemies (and some American politicians actually used those words, and act as if we are) - then the USA should be eliminated, either.

No. It was a skirmish between ministry of defense and their contractors. Mostly about effectiveness of the war.

You quote "kievpost"? Wow, it was really stupid, even for you.

Plain lie.

NATO control Ukraine not over troops on the ground, but through the money and intelligence.

Of course no. There are a lot of Russians who was born and raised in Baltic states.

As if we are against it. If you believe that it is the best way to finish your life - die for the right of Ukrainian and Baltic nazies discriminate, abuse and kill Russians - it's your funerals. If you believe that the world of equal rights and equal safety means "Russian or Chinese rule" - ok, that's your funerals, either.

Really? Wanna test?

As if it is not bleeding American lives and resources. Every billion dollar you've wasted in Ukraine - won't be used to save American lives. Every billion dollar you've printed - decrease international trust in dollar.

Not yet.

And give NATO time to concentrate their forces in Ukraine, develop Medium Range Ballistic Missiles, and after that day - attack Russia. Thank you, no way.

It depends. From some points of view, America of sixties doesn't exist anymore (there is the retarded LGBT version of the late USSR instead) and Russia still exist after little rebranding.

Thanks for the discussion Zav.
Our perspectives are miles apart, especially on nuclear war.
Now its time to wait and see what Trump and Putin do about Ukraine.
One other good thing about Ukraine is that NATO countries are improving their militaries and supply lines.
Merry Christmas!

 

[AZrailwhale]

The joke about that is, that Putin has been hitting purely civilian targets in Kiev since the beginning of the war. Hypocrisy, thy name is Putin.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And none of those deployed in other areas can reach Russia?

Not to mention that the Los Angeles class is generally believed to have on board nuclear armed Tomahawk missiles.

And what, you think these missiles are going to hit submarines? You really are delusional.

And come on, Raul Castro? You are aware he left office in 2018, right? And that when he was President, he was trying as hard as he could to normalize relations with the US, right?

You forgot the Ohio-class SSGNs that had their Trident's removed.