History not taught so it's forgotten.

[OldLady]

Yes, but as an Independent, I can tell you that the Republican "choice" is no choice at all. If I can't vote for a Democrat this time, I won't vote for either. Sanders is a ridiculous option, but Trump is a proven disaster in every way that counts.

I'm blanking on how Trump has been a "disaster", except for his budget deficit that Nancy ignores?! Please enlighten me.

Healthcare, vastly inflated debt, the continuation of the two wars he promised to pull us out of, the loss of respect for our country by the rest of the world, the nothing burger of the North Korean nuclear talks, which ended up doing nothing but giving Kim Jung Un credibility as a world leader. Pulling out of the Iran deal with nothing to take its place and putting them back on the path of manufacturing nuclear weapons. He has cut social programs, undermined Obamacare (which he can't replace) and is trying in every shifty way he can to stop the performance of abortions which are still legal in this country and supported by well more than half the population. Humiliation on a daily basis by the bullshit that gets tweeted by him every night.
That's for starters. I know that's not your perspective, but it's mine.

Thanks for the post. You are correct, I don't view that list as a true picture of the Trump presidency. Here's another look at your "disasters".
1. Healthcare was better before Obamacare and its new deductibles up to $10,000
2. Trump is getting us out of the "endless wars" and their expense
3. We disagree on "loss of respect"
4. NK talks were always a long shot, but talking is better than shooting
5. The Iran deal was a joke, giving Iran $150b in sanctions relief to fund terrorism was stupid. Trump said Iran will not get nukes on his watch, period
6. Trump has not cut social programs, link please
7. Abortion is always a hot button discussion, agree they are still legal
8. Trump's tweets are always interesting

On the positive side we look at Trump's "promises kept". I won't list them all but this is the link: Promises Kept | President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments

I've read your side in many posts here. You asked me a question and I answered it. You didn't need to present the Trumpian version. It's taking us way off track here, isn't it?

In a way its the point of the thread. There are facts and alternate facts. We look at things differently. What you call disasters I call accomplishments. It seems that there is no agreement on political actions. Our side is always right and your side is always wrong. I'm not sure how this debate ends up? Maybe we just agree to disagree and I watch FXN and you watch your stations??

I didn't expect you to change your mind. I was being honest, how I saw things. You sound as if that somehow surprises you. And the divide between the left and right is not what this thread is about kyzr. But I don't have anything against you. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.

 

[Maxdeath]

The real problem is that the hardcore left will vote for anyone that has a D as part of them. It does not matter policy it does not matter if they have the same character flaws that they claim they hate in Trump. As long as the DNC nominates them the hardcore will vote for them. As long it is not Trump with that outrageous R.
The sad part is they are leaving behind the those that care about the way the U.S. is headed. They are leaving behind the critical thinking part of their party. That means those left out have only two choices vote Republican or just not vote.
The same can be said for the independents. They need to feel that the U.S. is headed in the right direction. So given the choice of the current democratic candidates and Trump they will either vote Republican or not vote at all.

I think for most they realize that the democrat party has swung way too far to the left.

Yes, but as an Independent, I can tell you that the Republican "choice" is no choice at all. If I can't vote for a Democrat this time, I won't vote for either. Sanders is a ridiculous option, but Trump is a proven disaster in every way that counts.

But we all knew that you only cared about not voting for Trump even before the 2016 election.

Of course. For good reason.

I would be willing to bet that independent is just a label you use. You probably have not voted for a republican except by accident.

You're wrong.

If you want to pretend.

 

[Unkotare]

......

Today many college-educated citizens can barely read the contents of a restaurant menu. .......

How many?

 

[Unkotare]

.... Few remember Hubert Humphrey or Ross Perot.

.....

How do you know?

 

[DustyInfinity]

The real problem is that the hardcore left will vote for anyone that has a D as part of them. It does not matter policy it does not matter if they have the same character flaws that they claim they hate in Trump. As long as the DNC nominates them the hardcore will vote for them. As long it is not Trump with that outrageous R.
The sad part is they are leaving behind the those that care about the way the U.S. is headed. They are leaving behind the critical thinking part of their party. That means those left out have only two choices vote Republican or just not vote.
The same can be said for the independents. They need to feel that the U.S. is headed in the right direction. So given the choice of the current democratic candidates and Trump they will either vote Republican or not vote at all.

I think for most they realize that the democrat party has swung way too far to the left.

Yes, but as an Independent, I can tell you that the Republican "choice" is no choice at all. If I can't vote for a Democrat this time, I won't vote for either. Sanders is a ridiculous option, but Trump is a proven disaster in every way that counts.

I'm blanking on how Trump has been a "disaster", except for his budget deficit that Nancy ignores?! Please enlighten me.

Healthcare, vastly inflated debt, the continuation of the two wars he promised to pull us out of, the loss of respect for our country by the rest of the world, the nothing burger of the North Korean nuclear talks, which ended up doing nothing but giving Kim Jung Un credibility as a world leader. Pulling out of the Iran deal with nothing to take its place and putting them back on the path of manufacturing nuclear weapons. He has cut social programs, undermined Obamacare (which he can't replace) and is trying in every shifty way he can to stop the performance of abortions which are still legal in this country and supported by well more than half the population. Humiliation on a daily basis by the bullshit that gets tweeted by him every night.
That's for starters. I know that's not your perspective, but it's mine.

I appreciate hearing other points of view. It would be nice if everyone could post what they actually think instead of just saying your side stinks. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, and wish more people would give their points of view. It would enlighten us all.

 

[Ray9]

......

Today many college-educated citizens can barely read the contents of a restaurant menu. .......

How many?

Too many. It's a Twitter world; they read headlines not content. Where have you been?

 

[Ray9]

.... Few remember Hubert Humphrey or Ross Perot.

.....

How do you know?

Ask around and see how many know the history.

 

[Unkotare]

......

Today many college-educated citizens can barely read the contents of a restaurant menu. .......

How many?

Too many. It's a Twitter world; they read headlines not content. Where have you been?

How many is too many?

 

[Unkotare]

.... Few remember Hubert Humphrey or Ross Perot.

.....

How do you know?

Ask around and see how many know the history.

I did. They do.

 

[B. Kidd]

Spanish born philosopher, George Santayana, said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”. The American Deep State has been in the business of dumbing down the population with liberal arts colleges for decades spreading discord, inflicting misery and dismantling American Exceptionalism.

Today many college-educated citizens can barely read the contents of a restaurant menu. They scream until they drool about the president colluding with Russians. Now Bernie Sanders is wildly popular in the cities, but If people did some research, they would discover that Jane Sanders, Bernie’s wife, once headed Burlington College.

That college had a policy of sending students to Havana to be indoctrinated by the Cuban Government. You can’t make this stuff up. Anyone with functioning frontal lobes knows that Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Fidel Castro with Medicare for All, taxpayer-burdened free college tuition, $15 an hour minimum wage and a completely disarmed public; Havana Jane was living the Bolshevik dream until the banks closed her school.

Bernie Sanders is hiding nothing; he’s trying to claw his way to the Democratic nomination with a hammer in one hand and a sickle in the other. The Deep State prefers a more measured approach to dismantling the American way of life by offshoring industry, taking away company pensions with employee health insurance and forcing everyone into a single payer healthcare system. Congress cobbled an aristocratic escape hatch for itself-they get Cadillac healthcare, we get the junk yard Affordable Care Act-just like Cuba and Venezuela.

Most US citizens have no idea what an economic and ideological traitor Sanders is because the media never report it and US liberal arts colleges resorted to basket-weaving curriculums to get tuition funding. The media know what the Communists have always known, propaganda works. They just flip the script in cahoots with a dirty American Stasi, pushing the absurd narrative that Trump is using Putin to win elections when it’s actually Sanders trying to replace Washington with Moscow.

Democrats have a real problem with Sanders because he leads in the polls and has a loyal following. Bloomberg? Really? That’s not going to fly. Sanders is a bonified Red Scare and democrats know it; they have no choice but to push him aside with super-delegate shenanigans. Expect suicidal chaos reminiscent of the 1968 Democratic Convention. Few remember Hubert Humphrey or Ross Perot.

Identity politics prevails, history loses and Trump wins in 2020.

Milwaukee is gonna burn and Milwaukee PD better have their health plans paid up on their officers.

 

[Porthos]

Another blanket statement about college educated people.
I would like to know where you got your under graduate degree from?

 

[Porthos]

Spanish born philosopher, George Santayana, said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”. The American Deep State has been in the business of dumbing down the population with liberal arts colleges for decades spreading discord, inflicting misery and dismantling American Exceptionalism.

Today many college-educated citizens can barely read the contents of a restaurant menu. They scream until they drool about the president colluding with Russians. Now Bernie Sanders is wildly popular in the cities, but If people did some research, they would discover that Jane Sanders, Bernie’s wife, once headed Burlington College.

That college had a policy of sending students to Havana to be indoctrinated by the Cuban Government. You can’t make this stuff up. Anyone with functioning frontal lobes knows that Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Fidel Castro with Medicare for All, taxpayer-burdened free college tuition, $15 an hour minimum wage and a completely disarmed public; Havana Jane was living the Bolshevik dream until the banks closed her school.

Bernie Sanders is hiding nothing; he’s trying to claw his way to the Democratic nomination with a hammer in one hand and a sickle in the other. The Deep State prefers a more measured approach to dismantling the American way of life by offshoring industry, taking away company pensions with employee health insurance and forcing everyone into a single payer healthcare system. Congress cobbled an aristocratic escape hatch for itself-they get Cadillac healthcare, we get the junk yard Affordable Care Act-just like Cuba and Venezuela.

Most US citizens have no idea what an economic and ideological traitor Sanders is because the media never report it and US liberal arts colleges resorted to basket-weaving curriculums to get tuition funding. The media know what the Communists have always known, propaganda works. They just flip the script in cahoots with a dirty American Stasi, pushing the absurd narrative that Trump is using Putin to win elections when it’s actually Sanders trying to replace Washington with Moscow.

Democrats have a real problem with Sanders because he leads in the polls and has a loyal following. Bloomberg? Really? That’s not going to fly. Sanders is a bonified Red Scare and democrats know it; they have no choice but to push him aside with super-delegate shenanigans. Expect suicidal chaos reminiscent of the 1968 Democratic Convention. Few remember Hubert Humphrey or Ross Perot.

Identity politics prevails, history loses and Trump wins in 2020.

Burlington offered a study abroad program at the university of Havana.
If you took the class and wanted to go to The U of H or maybe another college in Europe you could,
Why would you spin it, sounding like all students had to go there.
Plus I would like to know where you got your degree from so I could get good conservative republican education and be smart like you.
Thank you.

 

[Ray9]

Spanish born philosopher, George Santayana, said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”. The American Deep State has been in the business of dumbing down the population with liberal arts colleges for decades spreading discord, inflicting misery and dismantling American Exceptionalism.

Today many college-educated citizens can barely read the contents of a restaurant menu. They scream until they drool about the president colluding with Russians. Now Bernie Sanders is wildly popular in the cities, but If people did some research, they would discover that Jane Sanders, Bernie’s wife, once headed Burlington College.

That college had a policy of sending students to Havana to be indoctrinated by the Cuban Government. You can’t make this stuff up. Anyone with functioning frontal lobes knows that Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Fidel Castro with Medicare for All, taxpayer-burdened free college tuition, $15 an hour minimum wage and a completely disarmed public; Havana Jane was living the Bolshevik dream until the banks closed her school.

Bernie Sanders is hiding nothing; he’s trying to claw his way to the Democratic nomination with a hammer in one hand and a sickle in the other. The Deep State prefers a more measured approach to dismantling the American way of life by offshoring industry, taking away company pensions with employee health insurance and forcing everyone into a single payer healthcare system. Congress cobbled an aristocratic escape hatch for itself-they get Cadillac healthcare, we get the junk yard Affordable Care Act-just like Cuba and Venezuela.

Most US citizens have no idea what an economic and ideological traitor Sanders is because the media never report it and US liberal arts colleges resorted to basket-weaving curriculums to get tuition funding. The media know what the Communists have always known, propaganda works. They just flip the script in cahoots with a dirty American Stasi, pushing the absurd narrative that Trump is using Putin to win elections when it’s actually Sanders trying to replace Washington with Moscow.

Democrats have a real problem with Sanders because he leads in the polls and has a loyal following. Bloomberg? Really? That’s not going to fly. Sanders is a bonified Red Scare and democrats know it; they have no choice but to push him aside with super-delegate shenanigans. Expect suicidal chaos reminiscent of the 1968 Democratic Convention. Few remember Hubert Humphrey or Ross Perot.

Identity politics prevails, history loses and Trump wins in 2020.

Burlington offered a study abroad program at the university of Havana.
If you took the class and wanted to go to The U of H or maybe another college in Europe you could,
Why would you spin it, sounding like all students had to go there.
Plus I would like to know where you got your degree from so I could get good conservative republican education and be smart like you.
Thank you.

Thank you for demonstrating why Trump got elected.

 

[OldLady]

The real problem is that the hardcore left will vote for anyone that has a D as part of them. It does not matter policy it does not matter if they have the same character flaws that they claim they hate in Trump. As long as the DNC nominates them the hardcore will vote for them. As long it is not Trump with that outrageous R.
The sad part is they are leaving behind the those that care about the way the U.S. is headed. They are leaving behind the critical thinking part of their party. That means those left out have only two choices vote Republican or just not vote.
The same can be said for the independents. They need to feel that the U.S. is headed in the right direction. So given the choice of the current democratic candidates and Trump they will either vote Republican or not vote at all.

I think for most they realize that the democrat party has swung way too far to the left.

Yes, but as an Independent, I can tell you that the Republican "choice" is no choice at all. If I can't vote for a Democrat this time, I won't vote for either. Sanders is a ridiculous option, but Trump is a proven disaster in every way that counts.

I'm blanking on how Trump has been a "disaster", except for his budget deficit that Nancy ignores?! Please enlighten me.

Healthcare, vastly inflated debt, the continuation of the two wars he promised to pull us out of, the loss of respect for our country by the rest of the world, the nothing burger of the North Korean nuclear talks, which ended up doing nothing but giving Kim Jung Un credibility as a world leader. Pulling out of the Iran deal with nothing to take its place and putting them back on the path of manufacturing nuclear weapons. He has cut social programs, undermined Obamacare (which he can't replace) and is trying in every shifty way he can to stop the performance of abortions which are still legal in this country and supported by well more than half the population. Humiliation on a daily basis by the bullshit that gets tweeted by him every night.
That's for starters. I know that's not your perspective, but it's mine.

I appreciate hearing other points of view. It would be nice if everyone could post what they actually think instead of just saying your side stinks. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, and wish more people would give their points of view. It would enlighten us all.

It used to hurt my feelings and piss me off when I was greeted with posts that just insulted me for sharing my opinion, but I don't let it bother me anymore, as long as they stay out of my panties. Not everyone is here to learn stuff. I'm not sure what they're here for--maybe killing time while they're grounded to their rooms. They act like they're about twelve, so that's probably it.

We need you around more, Dusty. I'm sure you're busy with your life but if only people who came here would listen and be honest half the time, it would be a much more interesting board.

 

[imawhosure]

The real problem is that the hardcore left will vote for anyone that has a D as part of them. It does not matter policy it does not matter if they have the same character flaws that they claim they hate in Trump. As long as the DNC nominates them the hardcore will vote for them. As long it is not Trump with that outrageous R.
The sad part is they are leaving behind the those that care about the way the U.S. is headed. They are leaving behind the critical thinking part of their party. That means those left out have only two choices vote Republican or just not vote.
The same can be said for the independents. They need to feel that the U.S. is headed in the right direction. So given the choice of the current democratic candidates and Trump they will either vote Republican or not vote at all.

I think for most they realize that the democrat party has swung way too far to the left.

Yes, but as an Independent, I can tell you that the Republican "choice" is no choice at all. If I can't vote for a Democrat this time, I won't vote for either. Sanders is a ridiculous option, but Trump is a proven disaster in every way that counts.

I'm blanking on how Trump has been a "disaster", except for his budget deficit that Nancy ignores?! Please enlighten me.

Healthcare, vastly inflated debt, the continuation of the two wars he promised to pull us out of, the loss of respect for our country by the rest of the world, the nothing burger of the North Korean nuclear talks, which ended up doing nothing but giving Kim Jung Un credibility as a world leader. Pulling out of the Iran deal with nothing to take its place and putting them back on the path of manufacturing nuclear weapons. He has cut social programs, undermined Obamacare (which he can't replace) and is trying in every shifty way he can to stop the performance of abortions which are still legal in this country and supported by well more than half the population. Humiliation on a daily basis by the bullshit that gets tweeted by him every night.
That's for starters. I know that's not your perspective, but it's mine.

I appreciate hearing other points of view. It would be nice if everyone could post what they actually think instead of just saying your side stinks. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, and wish more people would give their points of view. It would enlighten us all.

It used to hurt my feelings and piss me off when I was greeted with posts that just insulted me for sharing my opinion, but I don't let it bother me anymore, as long as they stay out of my panties. Not everyone is here to learn stuff. I'm not sure what they're here for--maybe killing time while they're grounded to their rooms. They act like they're about twelve, so that's probably it.

We need you around more, Dusty. I'm sure you're busy with your life but if only people who came here would listen and be honest half the time, it would be a much more interesting board.

OL, I have been reading your posts for a long time, and I respect your views. As long as the view or opinion is extracted from facts in evidence.

Now I have a question for you, and you only have to answer it to yourself, because it is not my intention to put you on the spot and change your mind, or embarrass you in any way.

QUESTION---------------> If sometime this year before the election, people are indicted for illegally spying on Trump during his campaign, and in fact after his ascendency to the Presidency, will you--------->

A. then admit the DNC was crooked because it will prove that the Obama Administration did it, and turn away in disgust realizing it is the start of an American police state? Or,

B. insist it was the correct thing to do, damn the torpedo's, DNC full speed ahead?

See, we can not have it both ways because of politics! When Nixon pulled his little crookedness, the American people PUNISHED the party in question severly. As well they should have, and they did!

We must ALL be Americans 1st, not GOPers and Democrats! Nixon tried through illegality to screw the DNC, AND in a round about way, the American people. The difference in that case was------------>the media was on it, and all for it, as well they should have been.

Whatever answer you come up with for yourself, will explain to you consciously, if you are REALLY an independent!