Historical quote from Abraham Lincoln

[JGalt]

From the Lincoln-Douglas 4th debate, on September 18, 1858:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Fourth Debate: Charleston, Illinois - Lincoln Home National Historic Site (U.S. National Park Service)

 

[shockedcanadian]

All men, whether great or mediocre; are a product of their times and environment. Lincoln was not immune from these facts as is evident from the above offensive quote you provided, if it has been accurately attributed to him.

 

[1srelluc]

 

[JGalt]

All men, whether great or mediocre; are a product of their times and environment. Lincoln was not immune from these facts as is evident from the above offensive quote you provided, if it has been accurately attributed to him.

Would the US National Park Service lie?

 

[Anathema]

Lincoln was no friend of the negro peoples here in the United Ststes, or elsewhere. His plan, cut short by the assassins bullet was to see them sent back to the Dark Continent in largely the same way they’d been brought here… stuffed into the holds of cargo ships with little regard for their safety or security. Those who wanted to remain on this continent would be expected to pass a reading, writing and knowledge assessment similar to that for high school graduation at the time.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a military decision, solely.

 

[IM2]

All men, whether great or mediocre; are a product of their times and environment. Lincoln was not immune from these facts as is evident from the above offensive quote you provided, if it has been accurately attributed to him.

Excuses.

 

[Oddball]

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. No he didnt say that, liar.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Moonglow]

From the Lincoln-Douglas 4th debate, on September 18, 1858:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Fourth Debate: Charleston, Illinois - Lincoln Home National Historic Site (U.S. National Park Service)

And then?

 

[Meathead]

From the Lincoln-Douglas 4th debate, on September 18, 1858:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Fourth Debate: Charleston, Illinois - Lincoln Home National Historic Site (U.S. National Park Service)

He was invariably right. There is no country in the world that the two races live together and have political, economic and social equity to this day. That will be so until the true cause can be discussed and dealt with and even then, it is dubious that those will ever be achieved.

 

[luiza]

It's Simples

The stubborn people stayed in the sun in the south and turned Black .

The adventurous and savvy others went north and became pure white .

 

[rightwinger]

From the Lincoln-Douglas 4th debate, on September 18, 1858:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Fourth Debate: Charleston, Illinois - Lincoln Home National Historic Site (U.S. National Park Service)

Lincoln was a politician.

No, Lincoln was not going to say negroes should be allowed to marry white women.

He understood the indignity and unfairness of slavery.
He thought a man should benefit from the fruits of his own labor.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Lincoln was no friend of the negro peoples here in the United Ststes, or elsewhere. His plan, cut short by the assassins bullet was to see them sent back to the Dark Continent in largely the same way they’d been brought here… stuffed into the holds of cargo ships with little regard for their safety or security. Those who wanted to remain on this continent would be expected to pass a reading, writing and knowledge assessment similar to that for high school graduation at the time.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a military decision, solely.

It was not in Lincoln's plan that any blacks be allowed to remain in the United States.

 

[rightwinger]

It was not in Lincoln's plan that any blacks be allowed to remain in the United States.

Far from the truth

Many whites at the time thought that given that blacks will never be integrated into our society and the best solution was to send them back to Africa

Lincoln investigated the option and saw that it was impossible and quickly dropped the idea

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Far from the truth

Many whites at the time thought that given that blacks will never be integrated into our society and the best solution was to send them back to Africa

Lincoln investigated the option and saw that it was impossible and quickly dropped the idea

I note that you produce nothing to support your claim.

Lincoln was a member of the American Colonization Society, dedicated to returning blacks to Africa, or anywhere that would take them. The intention to resettle blacks was in the first draft of the Emancipation Proclamation.

Lincoln and Colonization - Essential Civil War Curriculum

 

[rightwinger]

I note that you produce nothing to support your claim.

Lincoln was a member of the American Colonization Society, dedicated to returning blacks to Africa, or anywhere that would take them. The intention to resettle blacks was in the first draft of the Emancipation Proclamation.

Lincoln and Colonization - Essential Civil War Curriculum

History supports my claim
While President , Lincoln made no attempt to export slaves
He thought it might be a good idea but quickly found it wasn’t

 

[whitehall]

Lincoln was overrated. Revisionist historians claim "he preserved the Union" but the Union fell apart under his watch. Bad advice and possibly personal problems caused him to believe that a civil war wouldn't last a single summer.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

History supports my claim
While President , Lincoln made no attempt to export slaves
He thought it might be a good idea but quickly found it wasn’t

Where do you think Liberia came from?

 

[rightwinger]

Where do you think Liberia came from?

Liberia was 1824

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Liberia was 1824

That's how long groups had been sending blacks to Liberia. Did you think it started with the Civil War?