Hillary Clintion Leads by 1.7 Million in Popular Vote. More than both JFK's and Carter's Victories

[Pogo]

I wonder how many libs here would be crying about the electoral college if the shoe were on the other foot and Hillary won electorally and lost the popular vote?

I've been railing against the inequity of the EC all year, and years before that. You could look it up. For me the point has never been about "who won" especially in an election that hadn't even happened yet -- it's always been about what's fair and not tossing millions of votes into the trash can. In ANY year.

 

[Pogo]

There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

Agreed--but if they're not going to eliminate it, they certainly need to adjust electoral college votes in each state to insure that everyone in this country gets fair representation. It's really unheard of--to see one candidate win by 1.7 million votes and not win the election.

G.W. Bush was in the same position, but he lost the popular vote by 500,000, very low in comparison to Hillary Clinton.

1.7 million (and growing) is certainly a record, easily tripling the previous biggest gap which was in 2000 noted above.

Of course, that's an absolute number and greater overall populations are going to produce bigger gaps. But taken as a percentage of all votes, that gap is at the moment 1.3% (47.84% to 46.54%) and the more votes counted, the higher Clinton goes and the lower Rump goes as a percentage.

Fun facts:

• The only winning POTUSes that lost the PV by more of a percentage than the current count were Quincy Adams (1824) and Rutherford Hayes (1876), both of whom had to be selected by Congress for lack of enough EVs.

• The Gore/Bush gap in 2000 was actually the smallest, in percentage terms (0.51%) of any POTUS whose PV outpaced their EV. Clinton has already doubled that and may triple it.

• If Gore's margin in 2000 were a state, it would have been the 49th largest just ahead of (at the time) Wyoming. Clinton's margin so far would be the 39th, ahead of Wyoming, both of the Dakotas (even combined), Alaska, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, Vermont, New Hamster Maine, Hawaìi and Idaho. Another hundred thousand and it will eclipse the population of West Virginia.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

I see another idiot has stepped to the plate.

As I've been saying over and over, if the goal was to see who could amass the most votes, then strategies for presidential campaigns would be much different, and the vote total would likely be different.

The Trump strategy was to concentrate on the swing states, and forget about states like California where he had no chance. It was the winning strategy.

In fact if you remove California from the equation, Trump wins both electoral and popular votes and has a much better balance of the nation.

Your point is inane. If the system had been different, then the campaigns would have been different. It wasn't, so they weren't. And you cannot just jettison states you find inconvenient. That's what the first word in "United States" means.

Then live with the results. Trump won the necessary electoral votes. Game over.

You're completely backing off your own point. The fact remains, (a) you cannot just eliminate entire states whose votes you don't like, and (b) the paradigm is the paradigm period, and given a different paradigm ALL candidates would have adjusted to it. So babbling that "Rump would have gone to California" is as pointless as claiming "The Chicago Bears should get more points because the Cubs won the World Series". The universe simply doesn't work like that. If you change the system, you change everything -- not just what one of the players does.

Well guess what. They operated under the EC paradigm, and under that Rump pulled an EC majority and a concurrent PV minority, and there's nothing you can do about that by changing the rules after the clock counts down to zero. So it's a completely false comparison. Own that.

The PV means nothing as far as the election results. What it serves as is a poll on national preference, this time an accurate one because there's no margin for error. And Rump lost that poll.

I'm not claiming California would have gone to Trump, for all I know if the goal was to receive the most overall votes Hillary may gave gotten even more votes than she has.

The point is, the objective is to reach 270 electoral votes. If the goal was to receive the most votes overall, then strategies would be based on that goal.

Trump concentrated on the swing vote states, and his strategy proved to be superior.

Work to change the rules going forward, but this time around we go with what got us here.

The left are just being whiners wanting the rules changed in the middle of the stream.

 

[Pogo]

I'm not claiming California would have gone to Trump, for all I know if the goal was to receive the most overall votes Hillary may gave gotten even more votes than she has.

The point is, the objective is to reach 270 electoral votes. If the goal was to receive the most votes overall, then strategies would be based on that goal.

Correct. Because that was the system everybody understood. HAD the system been different, yes Rump would have gone to California and Massachusetts, *AND* Clinton would have gone to Texas and Indiana --- etc etc etc. *BOTH* campaigns would have been different, not just one. You don't get to change the whole paradigm and then carry over the number you think is convenient from the old one --- it's a new paradigm. That means it's an entirely different election campaign.

And that's another argument against the EC --- it creates the division of "red" states, "blue" states and "swing" states, all of which are artificial bullshit dividers, and concentrates the candidates on a handful of states while completely ignoring the Utahs and the Rhode Islands and the Californias and the Texases.

Trump concentrated on the swing vote states, and his strategy proved to be superior.

Correct again, but they BOTH concentrated on swing states. That's what candidates *always* do, because they have to, for the reason laid out just above.

Work to change the rules going forward, but this time around we go with what got us here.

That's exactly what we're doing, is it not? Pointing out the inequities? I've been doing this all year.

The left are just being whiners wanting the rules changed in the middle of the stream.

Actually you're the one who's suggesting "take out the California vote and you have.... " and "if only they had campaigned differently.....". I'm not interested in changing one variable and coming up with a false comparison --- I deal in what the effects actually are.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

These liberals yapping about the "popular vote" are morons. That's like saying the football team with the most yards rushing should have won even though they got their ass beat 42 to nothing. Idiots.

Actually, it's like saying the football team won with the highest score, yet the refs said the other team won because they played better defense.

How many of your California votes are kids of illegals? Well there you have it, Trump won the true Americans popular vote. Tissue?

Not one of them. Do you know why? Because THEY CAN'T VOTE you ******* moron.

And yet 3 million illegals did in fact vote this time.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

These liberals yapping about the "popular vote" are morons. That's like saying the football team with the most yards rushing should have won even though they got their ass beat 42 to nothing. Idiots.

Actually, it's like saying the football team won with the highest score, yet the refs said the other team won because they played better defense.

How many of your California votes are kids of illegals? Well there you have it, Trump won the true Americans popular vote. Tissue?

Not one of them. Do you know why? Because THEY CAN'T VOTE you ******* moron.

Are you dumb or something, you know kids grow up right. Holy shit someone call Bellevue Hospital they are missing a patient ^^^

Let me explain something to you, you ******* clown -- if you are NOT a legal citizen of the USA, you will NOT be permitted to vote IN ANY STATE. PERIOD.

The fact that you don't know this at your advanced stage is truly frightening. Do the world a favor and go skydive without a parachute.

And yet 3 million illegals did in fact vote and because retards like you think anyone with a drivers license should be able to vote. meanwhile places like California license illegals to drive.

 

[Zander]

There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

Just curious, can you even write anything? Or do you simply speak through this gif now? Has your right wing Republican hate erased your ability to speak?

Poor wittle baby....

 

[mrbojanglezs]

do we know how many illegals and dead people voted?

 

[GaryDog]

There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

Your leader has been selected.

You can stop counting now.

Actually, that doesn't happen til December 19th.

It's so cute to see the legion of children who support Trump learning about elections for the first time.

 

[Zander]

Here is a full list of all the US Presidential candidates who won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college, and were still made POTUS:

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Impressive stuff!

 

[Flash]

Sooooo the Libtards are pissed that Hillary Clinton got the most votes but is not going to be President. They think it is unjust.

Our Founding Fathers had a remedy for injustice. It is called the right to keep and bear arms. That way the people can impose their will on the government instead of the other way around.

But wait, the stupid Liberals don't like the right to keep and bears. They are scared of firearms. They think the government is their friend. No need to ever bear arms against the government.

So they are just going to have to suck it up. I guess that is the penalty they are going to have to pay for being ***** Libtards.

 

[GaryDog]

Here is a full list of all the US Presidential candidates who won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college, and were still made POTUS:

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Impressive stuff!

Keep spiking the football as if you're not going to be personally uber-fucked by this election, too. Last I checked, those who support Trump won't be exempt from the fallout.

 

[Zander]

Here is a full list of all the US Presidential candidates who won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college, and were still made POTUS:

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Impressive stuff!

Keep spiking the football as if you're not going to be personally uber-fucked by this election, too. Last I checked, those who support Trump won't be exempt from the fallout.

Poor baby....

Keep crying. Get it all out.

 

[Pogo]

Sooooo the Libtards are pissed that Hillary Clinton got the most votes but is not going to be President. They think it is unjust.

Our Founding Fathers had a remedy for injustice. It is called the right to keep and bear arms. That way the people can impose their will on the government instead of the other way around.

But wait, the stupid Liberals don't like the right to keep and bears. They are scared of firearms. They think the government is their friend. No need to ever bear arms against the government.

So they are just going to have to suck it up. I guess that is the penalty they are going to have to pay for being ***** Libtards.

We got plenty of bears here in Appalachia, Hortense. And they're not amused right now with the fires. Wanna come out here and grab one's *****?

 

[GaryDog]

Here is a full list of all the US Presidential candidates who won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college, and were still made POTUS:

• .
• .
• .
• .

Impressive stuff!

Keep spiking the football as if you're not going to be personally uber-fucked by this election, too. Last I checked, those who support Trump won't be exempt from the fallout.

Poor baby....

Keep crying. Get it all out.

Seriously, are you a rich man?

If not, you'll be the literal embodiment of that baby. Very soon. I'm an attorney making 6 figures. Don't cry for me you dopey dumbass.

 

[Zander]

Here is a full list of all the US Presidential candidates who won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college, and were still made POTUS:

• .
• .
• .
• .

Impressive stuff!

Keep spiking the football as if you're not going to be personally uber-fucked by this election, too. Last I checked, those who support Trump won't be exempt from the fallout.

Poor baby....

Keep crying. Get it all out.

Seriously, are you a rich man?

If not, you'll be the literal embodiment of that baby. Very soon. I'm an attorney making 6 figures. Don't cry for me you dopey dumbass.

Let us know how it works out for you!

 

[Flash]

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We got plenty of bears here in Appalachia, Hortense. And they're not amused right now with the fires. Wanna come out here and grab one's *****?

You get no sympathy from me Moon Bat. It hasn't rained on my property since the hurricane in early October. You fight your own goddamn fires.

 

[Flash]

I don't think Trump gives a rat's ass about what the Libtard Moon Bats think about the Electoral College.

 

[Papageorgio]

How many here would be going on about the popular vote if Hillary had won the 270 electoral votes and Trump the popular vote?

We do this every four years. Like clockwork. Matter of fact the main thread on the EC is literally named by a Rump tweet from four years ago where he said the EC is a "disaster for a democracy". See, at the time he thought Romney had won the PV but lost the EC (probably math he does as an orangutan to make himself feel less bankrupt).

Oh and he also declared there should be "revolution in the streets" if the PV winner doesn't win. Ironical, yes?

At what time on Tuesday did anyone think Romney had the popular vote? He was cooked early on.

I wasn't watching so I dunno -- the point is that Rump thought it was the case. It had been close though.

Matter of fact I came across a site that projected what would the results have been if the Electrical College vote reflected the actual popular vote of that state --- this year's numbers aren't all in yet but they worked out the 2012 numbers, and under that system, given the same return numbers, Romney would have won.

So in a fantasy world and a lot of conditions Romney is our President.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Pogo]

How many here would be going on about the popular vote if Hillary had won the 270 electoral votes and Trump the popular vote?

We do this every four years. Like clockwork. Matter of fact the main thread on the EC is literally named by a Rump tweet from four years ago where he said the EC is a "disaster for a democracy". See, at the time he thought Romney had won the PV but lost the EC (probably math he does as an orangutan to make himself feel less bankrupt).

Oh and he also declared there should be "revolution in the streets" if the PV winner doesn't win. Ironical, yes?

At what time on Tuesday did anyone think Romney had the popular vote? He was cooked early on.

I wasn't watching so I dunno -- the point is that Rump thought it was the case. It had been close though.

Matter of fact I came across a site that projected what would the results have been if the Electrical College vote reflected the actual popular vote of that state --- this year's numbers aren't all in yet but they worked out the 2012 numbers, and under that system, given the same return numbers, Romney would have won.

So in a fantasy world and a lot of conditions Romney is our President.

Thanks for the info.

Basically the guy worked out that if the EC voted proportionally (not winner-take-all) the way their states did, Romney would have won the EC even though O'bama won the PV. I'll see if I can find the link later.