Hilarious! Republicans are saying Democrats won't work with them hoping to spread the blame

[The Derp]

Uh huh......that's why Reid is still the Senate Majority Leader and Pelosi is over the House and Hillary is the first female President of the United States. Oh wait........the American people thru the geriatric party of bad socialist ideas out of office. Wake up derp, it's 2017 and you lost. YUGE!!!

No, Russia is the reason Trump is President.

 

[rightwinger]

Still waiting on the Great Wall of Trump

What is taking so long?
Congress has not even discussed it

Obama would have had the thing built by now....but then again, he is only a community organizer

 

[Spare_change]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

You, of course, have absolutely zero justification for your comments, but, hey ... that isn't the point anyway, is it?

Bring the proof to the table and I'll be happy to shoot holes in it. (PLEASE - cite the CBO report - PLEASE!! I would consider it a great favor.)

 

[iceberg]

um i talked to the dude directly as he is a friend of mine. so if you want to call him a liar, up to you.

Really? Because I've talked to three dudes who have said the exact opposite of what your one dude is saying. So I guess that means my three dudes trump your one dude. Does 3 beat 1? You tell me.

maybe you are the one not knowing what you are talking about.

No, I think it's painfully obvious you guys have no clue. Which is why you cannot articulate a plan for a system that you envision. You haven't done the work because you're either sloppy, lazy, or both.

except i'm not discounting the people you talked to as i've NOT talked with them. all i can tell you is the people i've talked to about it, their premiums went WAY up and their coverage down.

why this is hard for you to believe i'm not sure. why you want to make a fight of it, i don't care. if you talked with people who have said otherwise then simply state their experiences and let's compare - is that too difficult or to you have to challenge things as if i'm lying to you?

 

[iceberg]

thats fucked up dude. are you a stereotype?

From what I can tell, based on policy, there is no difference between Conservatives, Republicans, "Libertarians", Teabags, and Klansmen. Calling oneself "Conservative" seems to give you license as to what is Conservative and what isn't, and the standards by which that judgment is made change by the minute, it seems.

So you guys are ideologically consistent, even if your messaging isn't.

and liberals are so consistent. except i won't be stupid enough to pidgeon hole anyone into a stereotype especially for my own convenience.

 

[The Derp]

except i'm not discounting the people you talked to as i've NOT talked with them.

But you are discounting them when you claim Obamacare is "collapsing" and using your anecdote imaginary friend as proof. You get that, right?

all i can tell you is the people i've talked to about it, their premiums went WAY up and their coverage down.

And I'm telling you that does not square with reality.

 

[The Derp]

and liberals are so consistent. except i won't be stupid enough to pidgeon hole anyone into a stereotype especially for my own convenience.

I'm not doing that for my own convenience. In fact, it is great inconvenience that I have to do that. Conservatives seem like they never want to accept responsibility for the failings of their ideology and those pushing the ideology. So it always becomes a game of "oh, that ___ wasn't really Conservative", almost as if you are retroactively revising history. Now, that would only be the case in what circumstance?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Democrats made the mess we're in now with healthcare. Republicans ran on righting the ship.

We're not in a mess. Not at all. This is the lie that I'm talking about. The mess isn't Obamacare, the mess is Conservatives who have no ******* idea what they want. All they know is what they don't want. That's a very lazy approach to policy, particularly when you're the ones in charge. You all have been saying that Obamacare will collapse for the last 7 ******* years. Each year, it didn't collapse. So if you've been wrong for seven straight years, why the **** would you be right today?

How is the CURRENT debacle not on both? Democrats broke it. Republicans seemingly can't fix it.

Republicans can't fix something if they don't even know what that "something" is. You and most Conservatives on this thread have proven you don't know what that "something" is, which is why after 7 years and 60+ repeal votes, there is nary a viable Conservative health insurance reform plan to be found.

Looks like BOTH are responsible to me.

Nah...just Conservatives. They're the ones who prevented Medicaid expansion which would have lowered the uninsured rate even further. They're the ones who approve premium rate hikes in states where the Insurance Commissioner has that power (and is a Conservative). They're the ones who have been saying for seven years that Obamacare will collapse, only to see it growing. Conservatives simply want to undo Obama's legacy and are putting party before country. That's why no replacement bill ready to go on day 1.

I'm we aware of what "something" is. I've seen it in the DRASTIC increases in my premiums as well as my outlandish deductibles

 

[The Derp]

I'm we aware of what "something" is. I've seen it in the DRASTIC increases in my premiums as well as my outlandish deductibles

Yeah, about that...premium rate increases were more pre-ACA than post-ACA, same with deductibles too. And BTW - I thought Conservatives wanted patients to put "more skin in the game". Don't deductibles achieve that?

 

[The Derp]

I'm we aware of what "something" is. I've seen it in the DRASTIC increases in my premiums as well as my outlandish deductibles

So, OK...if the issue you have is the cost of premiums, how do you reel those costs in or reduce them without mandates or a public option, while still guaranteeing universal coverage?

 

[rightwinger]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

You, of course, have absolutely zero justification for your comments, but, hey ... that isn't the point anyway, is it?

Bring the proof to the table and I'll be happy to shoot holes in it. (PLEASE - cite the CBO report - PLEASE!! I would consider it a great favor.)

22 million uninsured........thanks Republicans
CBO REPORT

 

[Flash]

eplace it with nothing.

Not a realistic solution.

We don't need the filthy ass government telling us what we have to have in our insurance policies, how our doctors and insurance companies should conduct their business and we sure as hell don't need the oppressive government taking our money away and giving it to the welfare queens.

First of all, Obamacare does not tell insurance companies how to conduct their business. The "business" an insurance company does is administration. That's it. Insurance companies profit when they deny care and coverage. So you cannot guarantee universal coverage as Trump has done, and maintain profits for insurers. The two are in existential conflict. Secondly, the importance of having defined essential benefits is that it levels the playing field for insurers to compete with one another for your premiums. Also, that's what insurance plans on the SHOP marketplace do because they're group plans that end up costing less per patient. And don't you want competition? Without the essential benefits, the playing field is tilted to bigger insurers who can get away with offering bare-bones plans next to "Cadillac" plans where smaller companies cannot. And that's not even getting to the entire function an insurance company serves in your health care; administration. I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why the entity that reimburses your doctor has to be for-profit, and how it being for-profit does anything to improve or enhance the care you receive. All it does is restrict access to care. You don't get to pick your doctor. You must first pick an insurance plan and then you pick your doctor. That seems backwards, doesn't it? What does the insurer have to do with your doctor providing care? Who are insurance companies to dictate what doctors you can and cannot see?

I don't know what you are bitching about. Before Obamacare everybody in the US got health care even if they couldn't afford it.

At the expense of everyone else by way of higher premiums and deductibles. Do you think medical costs for people without insurance just disappear if the patient cannot pay? What planet do you live on?

Not having insurance did not mean you couldn't get health care if you couldn't afford it. The only thing Obamacare really changed is that it use to be that the filthy ass welfare queens had to go to a county or state clinic or a free hospital or be on some stupid government welfare plan. The thing that is so despicable about Obamacare is that it established an entitlement for a welfare queen to get the same insurance that the paying customers get and the paying customers have to pay for it and that is the wrong thing to have.

Anyone who gets Obamacare subsidies is employed. The subsidies are income based. If you are not employed, you get put into Medicaid. See, this is what I'm talking about when I say Conservatives have no ******* idea. No clue at all. You don't even understand the law you oppose so much. That's because you've been lied to for 7 years by Conservatives who have convinced you Obamacare is this awful, terrible thing that had to be repealed immediately...only now, when faced with the responsibilities of governance, do Conservatives suddenly say it's "OK if it's not repealed". So which is it? Is it this thing that has to be replaced immediately or not????

y the way, Moon Bat if your measurement of success is how many people have insurance then by that metric Obamacare is a failure because there are 24 million people in the US now without health insurance.

That number would be lower had Conservative death panels in red states expanded Medicaid. Conservatives are the ones who have made sure there are that many uninsured people. So that's on you guys. We can get universal coverage if we had single payer or, at minimum a Public Option with automatic enrollment. But you oppose those things and offer no solutions of your own to get that number down further. Anything you propose raises it. That's because Conservatives don't even ******* know a thing about the system they are so desperate to reform. That's why there wasn't a plan ready to go on day one, and that's why the plans they did end up proposing are awful.

The filthy ass government maintains control over health care by dictating the requirements of a policy

Well, the government also sets standards for automobiles, planes, and motorcycles...so does that mean government has control over transportation. All Obamacare does is set a level playing field where insurers can compete for customers. If insurers choose not to participate in the exchanges, then that just proves the point that you cannot guarantee universal coverage and maintain corporate profits. No system will allow that to happen no matter what. So you all have to be honest with yourselves and ask; what is it that you actually want? Nothing you said in your post gives any indication. In fact, you're taking the laziest approach possible and saying not to replace Obamacare with anything. So what do you think will happen if that's the case? What does the industry look like without Obamacare, realistically?

influencing rates by stiffing interstate competition, imposing taxes, establishing onerous record keeping requirements and by giving away free insurance policy the welfare queens, who are mostly idiotic Democrat voters. .

The reason why insurance isn't sold across state lines (it is allowed in some states, like GA) is because each state regulates health insurance differently. That's thanks to your beloved 10th Amendment. The taxes imposed, as we've learned from the CBO, are on the wealthy and in the 7 years Obamacare has been around, the wealthy people got wealthier. The record keeping thing...ummm....you don't think medical records should be digitized? Do you even understand the resources required to handle all-paper medical processes? Completely stupid. The true welfare queens are the employers who don't provide their workers with coverage, or who pay their workers so little they qualify for Obamacare subsidies. So Obamacare is welfare alright...but not for people. For corporations.

This stupid Obamacare bill has been a disaster for this country. It ran up the cost of premiums, co payments and deductibles and greatly limited the choices the American people. It even taxes the American people that chose to have a really good health care policy. Obama lied to all of us when he said that if you like your docotr you can keep your doctor because it limited the access to free market health care. He also lies to us about saving every family $2500 a year.

1. Premiums were rising at faster rates pre-ACA than post-ACA. Same with deductibles and co-pays. And to the co-pay and deductibles, I thought Conservatives wanted patients to "put more skin in the game". Don't deductibles and co-pays achieve that goal? This is what I mean when I say you people have no idea what it is you actually want because you don't understand this thing at all.

2. The people who have "really good coverage" should pay taxes on that. Just like they pay taxes on any luxury good. Of course, if we had a single payer system, this wouldn't even be an issue. There'd only be one entity reimbursing providers instead of dozens. How's that for efficiency?

3. Yes, Obama should not have made that promise. Bad on him for that. But it was 7 years ago, and if you still can't find a doctor now then it's not on Obama, it's on you. It's called personal responsibility, and it used to be something Conservatives said they believed. And no, Obamacare didn't limit access to free market health care. The limiting of access is done by insurance companies who set up provider networks. That's why you can't go see any doctor you want, even though you should. Don't you think you should be able to see any doctor you want? If so, why do you think people should first have to get an insurance plan? Because unless you pay full costs out of pocket, you need insurance to visit the doctor.

4. He did not lie about saving the average family $2,500. In fact, there's a hilarious (and sad) story of Julie Boonstra. You remember her, right? She was the fat, ugly sow who starred in a few Koch-produced ads ahead of the 2012 election where she went on camera and cried crocodile tears about how Obamacare caused her insurance plan to disappear, or cost more money, or...forgot what excuse she used. So convinced was she that when confronted with the realities of her insurance company saying that no, in fact, her plan was not cancelled and that she would save exactly $2,400 thanks to the ACA, her response was "I choose not to believe that." So that's where we are at with you people; you actively choose not to accept or believe facts.

Obamacare has been a lie from the beginning when it was passed along party lines by partisan Democrat assholes that never even bothered to read what was in the damn bill.

Oh they read the bill. They worked on it for about a year. When Pelosi said "we have to pass it so we can know what's in it...away from the fog of controversy" that you people were spreading while the law was being written. She said it had to be passed so people knew that what Conservatives were saying were bullshit and lies. And 7 years later, that is as true today as it was back then.

You are really confused about this aren't you?

I cannot believe the level of stupidity in your response. You are obviously one of these Stupid Americans that Jonathan Guber told us about.

I am not going to spend a half hour typing out a point by point refutation of your stupidity because it is not worth it. However, I will make a few points.

The free market of health care without government interference is a very viable solution. Maybe not in commie Moon Bat Land but it is something that this country had for most of its existence and there was no need for you greedy Moon Bats to get the filthy ass government involved to further your greedy social justice agenda. You fucked everything up and that is why we had a disastrous health care bill passed by a partisan vote by idiot Democrats.

For you to suggest that Obamacare doesn't control the insurance companies and the policies they issue and the management of hospitals and doctors offices is absolutely bat shit crazy. You obviously don't know a damn thing what is contained in the bill. Everything from how medical providers bill the insurance companies to record keeping to minimum insurance policy requirements to increased taxes to mandatory enrollment. There was even cuts to Medicare in the stupid bill. Requirements like value-based payments, quality reporting requirements, and government comparative-effectiveness boards will dictate how doctors practice medicine will drive up the cost.

If that isn't enough interference the CBO said that the filthy ass ACA would add at least $2 trillion to the deficits.

The pre Obamacare increased in premiums and health care cost in general had more to do with a tremendous surge in technology and the cost associated with cutting edge modernization in America more than anything else. Then on top of that you had the increasing cost of regulations that not only affected health care but almost everything else in the country.

The post Obamacare cost increases were driven by the tremendous government interference because of the ACA.

For instance, pre Obamacare my primary care physician was a one doctor operation with a receptionist and a nurse. Because of the onerous requirements of the ACA he had to join a physician group with more overhead and large increases in the cost of a visit, which is reflected in the insurance premiums. He is also restricted on the quality of service he gives his patients due to the stupid requirements buried in the 1200 pages of the ACA that the asshole Democrats didn't even bother to read before passing. He hates Obamacare

Since you are one these Gruber idiots that is confused about things like this that gets all your information from Comedy Central, DU and Rachael Maddow and don't either know or think that Obama told us we would get a $2500 reduction in cost I will provide you with a little education:

Words from the asshole's own mouth.

 

[The Derp]

You are really confused about this aren't you?

I am confused by the Conservative position on health care because they don't actually have a position other than contrarianism. You guys spend all your time screeching about what you don't want, but haven't given any thought as to what you do want. That's why no proposal ready to go on day 1 of Trump, despite 7 ******* years and 60+ ******* repeal votes. Suddenly, the urgency and doom-and-gloom has vanished! Where did it go????? You all sold us on the premise that Obamacare was this thing utterly destroying everything in its path like Godzilla, and that it must be repealed as soon as possible. Only now, when faced with the realities of governance and policy, are Conservatives suddenly doing an about-face and are OK with not repealing it! Who knew!?!?!?! President Dumbass even said so himself on twitter, like a ******* idiot who just gave away the entire game plan. Way. To. Go. Dingus.

I am not going to spend a half hour typing out a point by point refutation of your stupidity because it is not worth it. However, I will make a few points.

I put thought into my responses, whereas you seem to just be reacting to things by falling back on the same, tired rhetoric we hear all the time from the uneducated, unintelligent, and cognitively dissonant right-wing.

The free market of health care without government interference is a very viable solution.

But you don't even know what that ******* means. What does a "free market of health care" look like in your world? One where people pay for health care with chickens and ribs? One where there are no insurance companies? Because insurance companies are not free market at all. In fact, insurance companies are anti-free market because it restricts access to doctors and providers within a network. So what that means is that you have to first sign up for insurance before you can pick a doctor. So the choice isn't free market for health care, the choice is free market for health insurance. But health insurance is not health care delivery. Health insurance companies are an entity that administers reimbursement. It shouldn't matter to you or to your provider who is doing that administration. All that matters is that the administration actually occurs. So how does having that part of the process privatized benefit patients, exactly? That is the question Conservatives have never, ever been able to answer...and why all their health reforms suck donkey nuts.

For you to suggest that Obamacare doesn't control the insurance companies and the policies they issue and the management of hospitals and doctors offices is absolutely bat shit crazy

What's bat shit crazy is thinking it does. Obamacare sets a level playing field for insurers to compete for customers on an open and transparent marketplace. The reason there are 14 essential benefits is because that is how the playing field is leveled. Without them, the advantage tilts toward bigger insurers because they can offer catastrophic plans alongside "Cadillac" plans, whereas smaller insurers cannot. Also, don't you want a level playing field? Don't you want to not advantage one business over another? You say you're for the free market, but how do you have a free market when the playing field isn't level? It's not a free market then, is it? This is what I mean when I say you people have no ******* idea what you want, what insurance is, and what reform looks like. You're too lazy to bother to find out, so that's why you produce plans like the one the CBO just scored as kicking 22,000,000 of insurance and raising premiums for older folks not yet eligible for Medicare, or for those with pre-existing conditions.

You obviously don't know a damn thing what is contained in the bill. Everything from how medical providers bill the insurance companies to record keeping to minimum insurance policy requirements to increased taxes to mandatory enrollment.

I know about all that stuff. You repeating is is not an indictment of it. How medical providers bill insurers hasn't changed and, in fact, Obamacare has streamlined the process by using Medicare as the standard. Most insurance companies use Medicare as the standard.

There was even cuts to Medicare in the stupid bill.

BIG ******* LIE RIGHT HERE. This was 2010's lie of the year, by the way. Obamacare didn't cut Medicare. What Obamacare did was force Medicare-accepting providers to improve outcomes. So for instance, say you went in for a hip replacement and while in recovery, you developed a staff infection. Pre-ACA, Medicare would pay for treating that hip replacement and the staph infection. Post-ACA, Medicare does not reimburse for the staph infection and the provider must eat those costs. So providers are incentiv-ized to not be negligent in their care. That's how Obamacare extended the Medicare Trust solvency by over a decade. He didn't cut Medicare, he made it outcome-focused.

If that isn't enough interference the CBO said that the filthy ass ACA would add at least $2 trillion to the deficits.

WRONG! That is not what they said. They said it would cost that much, but its effect on the deficit is negligible. Originally, they said its effect was deficit-neutral. You are deliberately conflating cost with deficits and they're two different things. Obamacare's taxes pay for the program. The CBO most definitely DID NOT say it added $2T to the deficit. That's just stupid. Did you mean the debt, and in your feverish attempt to sloppily cobble together a response you instead typed "deficit"? Sloppy, sloppy work but not unsurprising given the source.

The pre Obamacare increased in premiums and health care cost in general had more to do with a tremendous surge in technology and the cost associated with cutting edge modernization in America more than anything else.

Bullshit. So what, they just stopped innovating when the ACA was passed? What a load of crap. Who buys this shit?

Then on top of that you had the increasing cost of regulations that not only affected health care but almost everything else in the country.

Bullshit.

 

[iceberg]

except i'm not discounting the people you talked to as i've NOT talked with them.

But you are discounting them when you claim Obamacare is "collapsing" and using your anecdote imaginary friend as proof. You get that, right?

all i can tell you is the people i've talked to about it, their premiums went WAY up and their coverage down.

And I'm telling you that does not square with reality.

you mean like you calling my friend a liar? THAT type of discounting? yiur friends seem right n mine wrong ror some reason

wonder why.

 

[iceberg]

and liberals are so consistent. except i won't be stupid enough to pidgeon hole anyone into a stereotype especially for my own convenience.

I'm not doing that for my own convenience. In fact, it is great inconvenience that I have to do that. Conservatives seem like they never want to accept responsibility for the failings of their ideology and those pushing the ideology. So it always becomes a game of "oh, that ___ wasn't really Conservative", almost as if you are retroactively revising history. Now, that would only be the case in what circumstance?

you say you are not doing something then do it very next sentence.

you funny.

 

[PredFan]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

God Bless President Donald Trump!

 

[deanrd]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

You, of course, have absolutely zero justification for your comments, but, hey ... that isn't the point anyway, is it?

Bring the proof to the table and I'll be happy to shoot holes in it. (PLEASE - cite the CBO report - PLEASE!! I would consider it a great favor.)

You need to watch news other than Fox and Breitbart. Democrats brought healthcare to millions of Americans that never had it before and the GOP is trying to take it away and give nearly a trillion in tax cuts to the super rich. Period. That's what's happening. That's the debate. It can't be denied.

 

[Spare_change]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

You, of course, have absolutely zero justification for your comments, but, hey ... that isn't the point anyway, is it?

Bring the proof to the table and I'll be happy to shoot holes in it. (PLEASE - cite the CBO report - PLEASE!! I would consider it a great favor.)

You need to watch news other than Fox and Breitbart. Democrats brought healthcare to millions of Americans that never had it before and the GOP is trying to take it away and give nearly a trillion in tax cuts to the super rich. Period. That's what's happening. That's the debate. It can't be denied.

That's absolutely, categorically, false. Your shallow understanding of this issue reminds me of a mud puddle --- not very deep and decidedly muddled.

Democrats provided healthcare to nobody . Everybody always had healthcare.

Democrats bought mandatory healthcare insurance to SOME of those who hadn't bought it.

Republicans are taking nothing away .... except the government requirement that you MUST buy healthcare INSURANCE, excessive and onerous taxes, and a person's right to self determination.

 

[deanrd]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

You, of course, have absolutely zero justification for your comments, but, hey ... that isn't the point anyway, is it?

Bring the proof to the table and I'll be happy to shoot holes in it. (PLEASE - cite the CBO report - PLEASE!! I would consider it a great favor.)

You need to watch news other than Fox and Breitbart. Democrats brought healthcare to millions of Americans that never had it before and the GOP is trying to take it away and give nearly a trillion in tax cuts to the super rich. Period. That's what's happening. That's the debate. It can't be denied.

That's absolutely, categorically, false. Your shallow understanding of this issue reminds me of a mud puddle --- not very deep and decidedly muddled.

Democrats provided healthcare to nobody . Everybody always had healthcare.

Democrats bought mandatory healthcare insurance to SOME of those who hadn't bought it.

Republicans are taking nothing away .... except the government requirement that you MUST buy healthcare INSURANCE, excessive and onerous taxes, and a person's right to self determination.

You said: Everybody always had healthcare.


And then you said what I said was false? Something is wrong with you. Seriously. There is a problem there.
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[Spare_change]

This is the fundamental problem.

Democrats worked hard to get healthcare for as many Americans as possible. Republicans managed to make it something evil at the time, but now that people's children, wives, husbands and elderly parents are being taken care of, many Republicans have decided they like it.

So how do they negotiate? On one side you have Republicans who have no problem with millions of poor and middle class suffering and dying. On the other hand, you have Democrats trying to protect the same millions. Where is the common ground?

You, of course, have absolutely zero justification for your comments, but, hey ... that isn't the point anyway, is it?

Bring the proof to the table and I'll be happy to shoot holes in it. (PLEASE - cite the CBO report - PLEASE!! I would consider it a great favor.)

You need to watch news other than Fox and Breitbart. Democrats brought healthcare to millions of Americans that never had it before and the GOP is trying to take it away and give nearly a trillion in tax cuts to the super rich. Period. That's what's happening. That's the debate. It can't be denied.

That's absolutely, categorically, false. Your shallow understanding of this issue reminds me of a mud puddle --- not very deep and decidedly muddled.

Democrats provided healthcare to nobody . Everybody always had healthcare.

Democrats bought mandatory healthcare insurance to SOME of those who hadn't bought it.

Republicans are taking nothing away .... except the government requirement that you MUST buy healthcare INSURANCE, excessive and onerous taxes, and a person's right to self determination.

You said: Everybody always had healthcare.


And then you said what I said was false? Something is wrong with you. Seriously. There is a problem there.
There are places you can look in to.
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You said that ACA "brought healthcare to millions of Americans that never had it before" ... that is categorically false. People didn't have healthcare INSURANCE, but healthcare was always available (even at the local ER). Ergo, it is impossible for Democrats to have brought healthcare to those who already had it.