High school exit exams dwindle to about half a dozen states

[1srelluc]

High school exit exams dwindle to about half a dozen states

Jill Norton, an education policy adviser in Massachusetts, has a teenage son with dyslexia and ADHD. Shelley Scruggs, an electrical engineer in the same state, also has a teenage son with ADHD. Both students go to the same technical high school. But this fall, Norton and Scruggs advocated on...

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Just seven states now require students to pass a test to graduate, and one of those — New York — will end its Regents Exam as a requirement by the 2027-28 school year. Florida, Louisiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas and Virginia still require testing to graduate, according to the National Center for Fair and Open Testing, a group that opposes such mandates.

So how can Jamar get out of HS and not be able to read and do sums? Well there you go.

I read where Virginia was one of the few states that still require testing to graduate, and don't you know it was a negative article from the Tidewater area where there are mostly black schools.

Odd thing that, I had an ancestor who owned a slave, he was bought to help run a grist mill and general store.....As such he needed to read and do sums.

Before his owner could hire a tutor, he had to get permission from the county seat and Richmond to teach him......Now here they are, 165 +/- years later, with the best education our tax money can buy, and they are too damn sorry to avail themselves of it.

 

[theHawk]

We never had a final school test to graduate. You had to get credits from passing the classes. The classes themselves always had mid terms and final exams.


But schools are such failures now, maybe they need an overall test not connected to passing a class but just to get your diploma.

 

[Thunk]

Problem: Students can't pass a test.

Solution: Stop giving tests!

And they wonder why Trump is going to abolish the dept. of education.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We never had a final school test to graduate. You had to get credits from passing the classes. The classes themselves always had mid terms and final exams.


But schools are such failures now, maybe they need an overall test not connected to passing a class but just to get your diploma.

Guess why these exams were done away with? Parent complaints.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Problem: Students can't pass a test.

Solution: Stop giving tests!

And they wonder why Trump is going to abolish the dept. of education.

States and districts did away them because parents complained. when I was first hired as a teacher, I did remedial math and English for students who could not pass the math portion of the HSCT (High School Competency Test). Parent complaint about their students failing led to the Florida Comprehensive Achievement Test (FCAT). Then they complained about that also. In 2014 it was again replaced, but I no longer taught in Florida.

The FCAT was a much broader subject matter series of tests. I coordinated my high school's testing program for 3 years even though I was a classroom teacher at the time. We tested 3000 students over a 3-day period. The problem with this test was it took so long to take, and then make-up testing was required. You basically lost a week or more of instructional time to testing.

These were state department of education requirements in Florida. Your ire is misplaced.

 

[Unkotare]

There were ways for students to graduate without passing the test anyway. The whole notion had been watered down more and more over the decades to the point that eliminating it is all but moot anyway. In MA students will still take the test, but it will not be a requirement for graduation if the state legislature changes the law to accord with the results of the recent ballot initiative.

 

[Unkotare]

We never had a final school test to graduate. You had to get credits from passing the classes. The classes themselves always had mid terms and final exams.


But schools are such failures now, maybe they need an overall test not connected to passing a class but just to get your diploma.

These kinds of tests have a life cycle. Back in the 80s people were bemoaning "Johnny can't read" high school graduates, so they implemented very rigorous graduation tests. Then parents started bemoaning "70% of kids can't graduate!" So, such tests were gradually watered down and graduation work arounds were implemented. Finally, the weakened gazelle is separated from the herd and lefty academic-politicos take it down entirely. In a few years the cycle will begin again.

 

[theHawk]

These kinds of tests have a life cycle. Back in the 80s people were bemoaning "Johnny can't read" high school graduates, so they implemented very rigorous graduation tests. Then parents started bemoaning "70% of kids can't graduate!" So, such tests were gradually watered down and graduation work arounds were implemented. Finally, the weakened gazelle is separated from the herd and lefty academic-politicos take it down entirely. In a few years the cycle will begin again.

Lol that never happened in the 1980’s.

 

[Unkotare]

Lol that never happened in the 1980’s.

It sure did.

 

[SweetSue92]

High school exit exams dwindle to about half a dozen states

Jill Norton, an education policy adviser in Massachusetts, has a teenage son with dyslexia and ADHD. Shelley Scruggs, an electrical engineer in the same state, also has a teenage son with ADHD. Both students go to the same technical high school. But this fall, Norton and Scruggs advocated on...

www.yahoo.com

Just seven states now require students to pass a test to graduate, and one of those — New York — will end its Regents Exam as a requirement by the 2027-28 school year. Florida, Louisiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas and Virginia still require testing to graduate, according to the National Center for Fair and Open Testing, a group that opposes such mandates.

So how can Jamar get out of HS and not be able to read and do sums? Well there you go.

I read where Virginia was one of the few states that still require testing to graduate, and don't you know it was a negative article from the Tidewater area where there are mostly black schools.

Odd thing that, I had an ancestor who owned a slave, he was bought to help run a grist mill and general store.....As such he needed to read and do sums.

Before his owner could hire a tutor, he had to get permission from the county seat and Richmond to teach him......Now here they are, 165 +/- years later, with the best education our tax money can buy, and they are too damn sorry to avail themselves of it.

Society has to pick a lane, it's that simple. Gentle Parenting has no room for Mean Tests. You all keep harping in the schools and the teachers. Meanwhile, we are literally potty training a perfectly fine, normally-developing child at my school who turns 6 very soon.

Yes. Read that again.

 

[1srelluc]

Society has to pick a lane, it's that simple. Gentle Parenting has no room for Mean Tests. You all keep harping in the schools and the teachers. Meanwhile, we are literally potty training a perfectly fine, normally-developing child at my school who turns 6 very soon.

Yes. Read that again.

Well, more the reason to never let your kid see the inside of a public school.....That's my "lane".

 

[SweetSue92]

Well, more the reason to never let your kid see the inside of a public school.....That's my "lane".

Who's fault is it when children come to school at five years old pooping in their underwear routinely?

Is that the teachers' fault?

And then, when the teacher's time and energy is spent potty training, do the kids then miss academics?

Whose fault is that?

 

[Unkotare]

Society has to pick a lane, it's that simple. Gentle Parenting has no room for Mean Tests. You all keep harping in the schools and the teachers. Meanwhile, we are literally potty training a perfectly fine, normally-developing child at my school who turns 6 very soon.

Yes. Read that again.

Have you noticed how often you mention potty training? You got some shit wrong with you.

 

[1srelluc]

Who's fault is it when children come to school at five years old pooping in their underwear routinely?

Is that the teachers' fault?

And then, when the teacher's time and energy is spent potty training, do the kids then miss academics?

Whose fault is that?

The parents....So what's your point?

You asked for a "lane", so I picked it.

 

[SweetSue92]

Have you noticed how often you mention potty training? You got some shit wrong with you.

Yes, because I think it's jarring and a good indicator of how much teachers are expected to take on.

People don't know. They think school was like when they were kids: you were expected to not only be potty trained, but be able to dress yourself, and skip, etc.

Children come in nearly feral--through no fault of their own--and the public wonders why they're not reading by 1st grade. It's because we're raising them.

 

[SweetSue92]

The parents....So what's your point?

You asked for a "lane", so I picked it.

Thank you. In most cases, blame society, not the schools. And I'm here to tell you many private schools aren't much better, and in many cases, are worse.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, because I think it's jarring and a good indicator of how much teachers are expected to take on.

People don't know. They think school was like when they were kids: you were expected to not only be potty trained, but be able to dress yourself, and skip, etc.

Children come in nearly feral--through no fault of their own--and the public wonders why they're not reading by 1st grade. It's because we're raising them.

You're miserable. Find another job.

 

[1srelluc]

Thank you. In most cases, blame society, not the schools. And I'm here to tell you many private schools aren't much better, and in many cases, are worse.

I figure that I have an 87% better chance of not having to deal with feral youth in a private school than in a public one.

I'm looking for one now for my great grandson for next year as he gets out of the learning daycare I have him in now.

I like the local K-12 Montessori school best so far as it won't be as much of a stretch from the way he's been taught thus far.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/what-is-a-montessori-school#:~:text=Sarah%20Thorson,%20whose

 

[Unkotare]

I figure that I have an 87% better chance of not having to deal with feral youth in a private school than in a public one.

I'm looking for one now for my great grandson for next year as he gets out of the learning daycare I have him in now.

I like the local K-12 Montessori school best so far as it won't be as much of a stretch from the way he's been taught thus far.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/what-is-a-montessori-school#:~:text=Sarah%20Thorson,%20whose

Don't kid yourself that shit doesn't happen at private schools.