Hey sanctuary Governors and Mayors... You don't get it... no one is asking for your help.

[justoffal]

But it's a great opportunity to do virtual signaling anyway. In fact I support the position of a state governor who takes issue with a federal policy to be able not to cooperate with it so long as it causes harm to no one.

The institution of the state governments is a very important part of the Union. You can't support the electoral college and at the same time deny a governor his right to stand against Washington DC.

Now having said that... It is also not expected that anything active in the way of hindering will take place. If ICE shows up to arrest an illegal alien criminal they don't expect to find State Police standing in front of the door stopping them.

I believe many of the police departments will cooperate anyway even without the governor's approval. However I stand by my statement that a state should have the ability to say no to DC on issues pertaining to those things taking place within the boundaries of their purview.

 

[sealybobo]

But it's a great opportunity to do virtual signaling anyway. In fact I support the position of a state governor who takes issue with a federal policy to be able not to cooperate with it so long as it causes harm to no one.

The institution of the state governments is a very important part of the Union. You can't support the electoral college and at the same time deny a governor his right to stand against Washington DC.

Now having said that... It is also not expected that anything active in the way of hindering will take place. If ICE shows up to arrest an illegal alien criminal they don't expect to find State Police standing in front of the door stopping them.

I believe many of the police departments will cooperate anyway even without the governor's approval. However I stand by my statement that a state should have the ability to say no to DC on issues pertaining to those things taking place within the boundaries of their purview.

Where are these ICE raids taking place?

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.

www.thomhartmann.com

Title 8 U.S.C §1324 a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an undocumented worker.
Federal laws
Your business and its owners could be subject to civil and criminal penalties for hiring undocumented immigrant workers. Civil penalties range from a minimum of $375 per unauthorized worker for a first offense up to a maximum of $1,600 per worker for a third or subsequent offense.

 

[sealybobo]

But it's a great opportunity to do virtual signaling anyway. In fact I support the position of a state governor who takes issue with a federal policy to be able not to cooperate with it so long as it causes harm to no one.

The institution of the state governments is a very important part of the Union. You can't support the electoral college and at the same time deny a governor his right to stand against Washington DC.

Now having said that... It is also not expected that anything active in the way of hindering will take place. If ICE shows up to arrest an illegal alien criminal they don't expect to find State Police standing in front of the door stopping them.

I believe many of the police departments will cooperate anyway even without the governor's approval. However I stand by my statement that a state should have the ability to say no to DC on issues pertaining to those things taking place within the boundaries of their purview.

So a state can't stop the federal government from enforcing a federal law.

So, if the feds wanted to raid all the pot stores in Michigan, technically they could because pot is still illegal on the federal level.

 

[justoffal]

Where are these ICE raids taking place?

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.

www.thomhartmann.com

Title 8 U.S.C §1324 a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an undocumented worker.
Federal laws
Your business and its owners could be subject to civil and criminal penalties for hiring undocumented immigrant workers. Civil penalties range from a minimum of $375 per unauthorized worker for a first offense up to a maximum of $1,600 per worker for a third or subsequent offense.

If they're going to concentrate on getting the criminals out firstI don't think you're going to see raids. They'll be busy for the first 2 years Just doing that.

In my opinion once you get rid of the bad element who knows things could change.

People may begin to change their minds about the efficacy and even the advisability of the program in general. One thing's for sure something must be done.

 

[justoffal]

So a state can't stop the federal government from enforcing a federal law.

So, if the feds wanted to raid all the pot stores in Michigan, technically they could because pot is still illegal on the federal level.

Lol ... Yeah I know That one's an interesting issue. The pot vendors are prolific here in Massachusetts and making tons of money for the state. I expect some of that money gets passed up to the federal government. For a while.... I'm trying to remember what state it was I can't remember now I think it was Michigan.... The feds were raiding the pot shops and shutting them down and they were opening back up again the next week.

 

[martybegan]

So a state can't stop the federal government from enforcing a federal law.

So, if the feds wanted to raid all the pot stores in Michigan, technically they could because pot is still illegal on the federal level.

Actually that's exactly the situation we are in now with the State/Federal divide on the Pot issue.

 

[sealybobo]

If they're going to concentrate on getting the criminals out firstI don't think you're going to see raids. They'll be busy for the first 2 years Just doing that.

In my opinion once you get rid of the bad element who knows things could change.

People may begin to change their minds about the efficacy and even the advisability of the program in general. One thing's for sure something must be done.

I keep looking to see if people are self deporting. I'm sure a lot are.

Even American liberals are searching "how to move to Canada? or "how to move to Mexico.

Did you hear searches for "can I change my vote" are up?

'How To Change My Vote' Searches Spike in States Won By Donald Trump​

Published Nov 13, 2024 at 7:37 AM EST

According to the data, queries about "how to change my vote" spiked on the morning of Election Day on November 5 at 7 a.m, reaching 100, before gradually declining throughout the day. By November 6, significantly fewer people were inquiring about switching their choice, but searches increased again on November 7.

Most people are aware that there is no way to change your vote once it has been cast in a U.S. election, but there seems to be a significant number who thought you might be able to swap your choice for president in the same way you can exchange a red T-shirt for a blue one (or vice versa) at an online clothing store.

Iowa generated the highest number of vote-change queries, specifically in Des Moines-Ames and Cedar Rapids-Waterlook-Iowa City and Dubuque areas.

Other states with similar high search interest include Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska and Alabama—all states won by Trump.

"How to switch" searches in the past 7 days have also been high in the swing states of Arizona and Wisconsin, both of which were won by Trump by a narrow margin

 

[sealybobo]

Actually that's exactly the situation we are in now with the State/Federal divide on the Pot issue.

I think if the federal government wanted to bad enough, they could raid Michigan's pot distributors.

Interesting, Trump is okay with legalizing Pot. Ron DiSanctimonious is not.

 

[martybegan]

I think if the federal government wanted to bad enough, they could raid Michigan's pot distributors.

Interesting, Trump is okay with legalizing Pot. Ron DiSanctimonious is not.

Unlike lefties, people on the right can have varying policy opinions without being called a heretic.

 

[sealybobo]

Unlike lefties, people on the right can have varying policy opinions without being called a heretic.

Like abortion, gay marriage and trannies competing against women in sports?

 

[Frankenstein]

I keep looking to see if people are self deporting. I'm sure a lot are.

Even American liberals are searching "how to move to Canada? or "how to move to Mexico.

Did you hear searches for "can I change my vote" are up?

'How To Change My Vote' Searches Spike in States Won By Donald Trump​

Published Nov 13, 2024 at 7:37 AM EST

According to the data, queries about "how to change my vote" spiked on the morning of Election Day on November 5 at 7 a.m, reaching 100, before gradually declining throughout the day. By November 6, significantly fewer people were inquiring about switching their choice, but searches increased again on November 7.

Most people are aware that there is no way to change your vote once it has been cast in a U.S. election, but there seems to be a significant number who thought you might be able to swap your choice for president in the same way you can exchange a red T-shirt for a blue one (or vice versa) at an online clothing store.

Iowa generated the highest number of vote-change queries, specifically in Des Moines-Ames and Cedar Rapids-Waterlook-Iowa City and Dubuque areas.

Other states with similar high search interest include Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska and Alabama—all states won by Trump.

"How to switch" searches in the past 7 days have also been high in the swing states of Arizona and Wisconsin, both of which were won by Trump by a narrow margin

Hearsay B.S

 

[martybegan]

Like abortion, gay marriage and trannies competing against women in sports?

On abortion Republicans run the gamut on it, from total bans to no restrictions, with most in the 6-12 week range for birth control abortion restrictions.

Gay Marriage really isn't being debated anymore, it's more the forced acceptance of it that is the problem.

Almost all don't want men competing in women's sports, but the tolerance of adult transexuals is varied.

 

[Frankenstein]

Like abortion, gay marriage and trannies competing against women in sports?

Not the same at all!

 

[Rawley]

But it's a great opportunity to do virtual signaling anyway. In fact I support the position of a state governor who takes issue with a federal policy to be able not to cooperate with it so long as it causes harm to no one.

The institution of the state governments is a very important part of the Union. You can't support the electoral college and at the same time deny a governor his right to stand against Washington DC.

Now having said that... It is also not expected that anything active in the way of hindering will take place. If ICE shows up to arrest an illegal alien criminal they don't expect to find State Police standing in front of the door stopping them.

I believe many of the police departments will cooperate anyway even without the governor's approval. However I stand by my statement that a state should have the ability to say no to DC on issues pertaining to those things taking place within the boundaries of their purview.

Really? You think it's bad policy to make it illegal for the local police to call ICE when they are releasing a rapist who is an illegal immigrant?

 

[justoffal]

Really? You think it's bad policy to make it illegal for the local police to call ICE when they are releasing a rapist who is an illegal immigrant?

Oh yes bad policy for sure....but it is states rights. Think of it this way.... We want the Texas governor to be able to defy DC we have to take some of that on the other end too.

 

[Rawley]

Oh yes bad policy for sure....but it is states rights. Think of it this way.... We want the Texas governor to be able to defy DC we have to take some of that on the other end too.

Well, I just go tot he purpose of the policy. Abbot was protecting his people (and the rest of us) while the sanctuary city laws, by definition, are to protect criminals and keep them in their communities. I really can't think of a more fucked up policy.

 

[justoffal]

Well, I just go tot he purpose of the policy. Abbot was protecting his people (and the rest of us) while the sanctuary city laws, by definition, are to protect criminals and keep them in their communities. I really can't think of a more fucked up policy.

I'm with ya!

 

[Foxfyre]

But it's a great opportunity to do virtual signaling anyway. In fact I support the position of a state governor who takes issue with a federal policy to be able not to cooperate with it so long as it causes harm to no one.

The institution of the state governments is a very important part of the Union. You can't support the electoral college and at the same time deny a governor his right to stand against Washington DC.

Now having said that... It is also not expected that anything active in the way of hindering will take place. If ICE shows up to arrest an illegal alien criminal they don't expect to find State Police standing in front of the door stopping them.

I believe many of the police departments will cooperate anyway even without the governor's approval. However I stand by my statement that a state should have the ability to say no to DC on issues pertaining to those things taking place within the boundaries of their purview.

A state might well refuse to comply with a federal order to say require masks to be worn in public. The state is on very solid ground there in that such should be a states' right issue and, so long as the state allows the people to make that decision themselves, their policy presents no danger to any of the other states.

To allow tens of millions of migrants to overrun the country soaking up resources, sheltering known and probable criminals and those intent on terrorist activities, increasing violent and property crime wherever large numbers of them congregate, and making a mockery of our laws. . .that hurts everybody. And since they are breaking a federal law that of necessity must be a federal law for the sovereignty of the USA and the general welfare of the people, to shelter or protect the lawbreakers should in itself be a crime.

 

[sealybobo]

Hearsay B.S

No it's not hearsay. Do you know what hearsay is? This is actually measurable. You just don't like it so you'll move it to the fake news part of your brain.

It's gonna be a long 4 years. Reminds me of the Bush years. Excuses, defending the guy, swallowing and repeating your fake news all while complaining about it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We currently have ICE detainers transferring jail inmates. What mor are referring to with this?