Here's Why The Media Denies it Was Terrorism

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Maybe You could change Your Name to Winston Smith? Don't worry about backing up Your False assertions, you are not taken seriously. Al Jezeera is hiring. There you can Report creatively and fight.

You're so predictable. I was typing the post providing the info while you posted this. As for not being taken seriously, do you truly believe I give a ****?

That is redundant.

 

[saveliberty]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

Absolutely amazing that you would blame the US for deaths at the hands of Saddam. The Iraqi government took food and resold it or retained it for their military's use. Sadam withheld it from children, not us. You failed to show even one death by Ameicans.

P.S. I knew that is what you were going to try, before you did it. Just like a trained monkey at the circus.

 

[CurveLight]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

Absolutely amazing that you would blame the US for deaths at the hands of Saddam. The Iraqi government took food and resold it or retained it for their military's use. Sadam withheld it from children, not us. You failed to show even one death by Ameicans.

P.S. I knew that is what you were going to try, before you did it. Just like a trained monkey at the circus.

The good thing about being a trained monkey is knowing how to read which comes in handy when needing to look at interview where our own government admits reponsibility for the deaths we caused.

 

[CurveLight]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

Wow, Albright did it! Clinton screwed up big time, huh. How about Carter? If Carter had supported the Shah of Iran, how many lives would have been saved? If We would have stayed in Lebanon, how many lives would have been saved? It's Reagan's fault too.........!

UN Supported Sanctions killing the World off Eh? What was the alternative? War? Political Assassination? We can't get anything right. You can't get anything wrong? Your philosophy points too many fingers, what it really needs is a mirror to point at.

Thank you so much for the example of what layers of fallacies look like when responding to information. I look forward to reading your genuine response because I know you wouldn't demand links to support a claim only to not address the information.

 

[saveliberty]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

Absolutely amazing that you would blame the US for deaths at the hands of Saddam. The Iraqi government took food and resold it or retained it for their military's use. Sadam withheld it from children, not us. You failed to show even one death by Ameicans.

P.S. I knew that is what you were going to try, before you did it. Just like a trained monkey at the circus.

The good thing about being a trained monkey is knowing how to read which comes in handy when needing to look at interview where our own government admits reponsibility for the deaths we caused.

Now we're getting somewhere. We know for a fact your a trained monkey. As far as UN representives go, I don't consider them reliable sources for information.

 

[CurveLight]

Absolutely amazing that you would blame the US for deaths at the hands of Saddam. The Iraqi government took food and resold it or retained it for their military's use. Sadam withheld it from children, not us. You failed to show even one death by Ameicans.

P.S. I knew that is what you were going to try, before you did it. Just like a trained monkey at the circus.

The good thing about being a trained monkey is knowing how to read which comes in handy when needing to look at interview where our own government admits reponsibility for the deaths we caused.

Now we're getting somewhere. We know for a fact your a trained monkey. As far as UN representives go, I don't consider them reliable sources for information.

Okay....**** what Albright had to say.....even though she was the first woman in US history to become Secretary of State........

There are several sources confirming the same information and you choose to ignore that by hiding behind UN Reps? What about the other sources? Maybe you can be creative in how you ignore those but I will bookmark this so the next time you demand a link I will use this as evidence your motivation is not in honest dialogue, but simply a farce of intellectual honesty to maintain your preconceived and demonstrably false positions regardless of available information.

 

[saveliberty]

The good thing about being a trained monkey is knowing how to read which comes in handy when needing to look at interview where our own government admits reponsibility for the deaths we caused.

Now we're getting somewhere. We know for a fact your a trained monkey. As far as UN representives go, I don't consider them reliable sources for information.

Okay....**** what Albright had to say.....even though she was the first woman in US history to become Secretary of State........

There are several sources confirming the same information and you choose to ignore that by hiding behind UN Reps? What about the other sources? Maybe you can be creative in how you ignore those but I will bookmark this so the next time you demand a link I will use this as evidence your motivation is not in honest dialogue, but simply a farce of intellectual honesty to maintain your preconceived and demonstrably false positions regardless of available information.

Well, for that, I take back the trained monkey comment. Actually, I was going to do that anyways. I still maintain Saddam violated the terms of the program, not the US. We delivered the food according to the agreement. Giving a link and being a good source are two different things, which you and others frequently point out.

 

[CurveLight]

Now we're getting somewhere. We know for a fact your a trained monkey. As far as UN representives go, I don't consider them reliable sources for information.

Okay....**** what Albright had to say.....even though she was the first woman in US history to become Secretary of State........

There are several sources confirming the same information and you choose to ignore that by hiding behind UN Reps? What about the other sources? Maybe you can be creative in how you ignore those but I will bookmark this so the next time you demand a link I will use this as evidence your motivation is not in honest dialogue, but simply a farce of intellectual honesty to maintain your preconceived and demonstrably false positions regardless of available information.

Well, for that, I take back the trained monkey comment. Actually, I was going to do that anyways. I still maintain Saddam violated the terms of the program, not the US. We delivered the food according to the agreement. Giving a link and being a good source are two different things, which you and others frequently point out.

Albright said in her biography Bush stated the sanctions would remain in place as long as saddam was in power. It didn't matter if saddam violated them or not and we violated the Cease Fire by unilaterally imposing no fly zones. In reality, the Gulf War never ended.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Liberal dominated MSM does what it's told. It really isn't all that complicated. They receive their White House Talking Points and immediately begin spinning White House Propaganda. Just take what the MSM says with a grain of salt. If the majority of the MSM is telling you that it wasn't Terrorism then just go ahead and assume that it was. If the majority of the MSM is telling you that the Recession is over and everything is just great then just go ahead and assume that the Recession is definitely not over and everything is far from being great. Just go with the opposite of what the majority of the MSM reports and you should be ok. That always works for me anyway. Just wait to see what the majority of the MSM is reporting and then go the opposite way. That's the only way for you to get real truth. It is what it is in the end.

 

[CurveLight]

The Liberal dominated MSM does what it's told. It really isn't all that complicated. They receive their White House Talking Points and immediately begin spinning White House Propaganda. Just take what the MSM says with a grain of salt. If the majority of the MSM is telling you that it wasn't Terrorism then just go ahead and assume that it was. If the majority of the MSM is telling you that the Recession is over and everything is just great then just go ahead and assume that the Recession is definitely not over and everything is far from being great. Just go with the opposite of what the majority of the MSM reports and you should be ok. That always works for me anyway. Just wait to see what the majority of the MSM is reporting and then go the opposite way. That's the only way for you to get real truth. It is what it is in the end.

Can you please define "liberal media?"

 

[drsmith1072]

Nope there would still be no debate - it STILL would not be an act of terrorism. It doesn't fit the definition because of the targets - the METHOD doesn't mean squat in terms of defining it as an act of terrorism.

You can try to ignore the definition and proclaim "I am right" until you are blue in the face. THAT doesn't make you correct in labeling this an act of terrorism either.

What the guy did (allegedy) was a deplorable, reprehensible act that (IMHO) deserves the most severe punishment we can dish out.

But it wasn't an act of terrorism - even if the guy turns out to be a sleeper agent for Al Qaeda, that doesn't change the definition. THIS was not an act of terrorism.

So....what terrorist group did Tim McVeigh belong to?

Answer: Liberal Aholes

Actually mcveigh was a libertarian which is on the right side of the political spectrum and is what most REAL tea partiers called themselves before their movement was co-opted by right wing fanatics and hacks.

 

[drsmith1072]

obama's watch...obama's fault.....just trying to be consistant pres to pres....

IF the righties were HONEST and consistent then based on how they used the "it's his watch, it's his fault" argument when clinton was presdient then they would have applied that same standard to W. However, the fact is that the right did NOT apply that same standard to W and now that a dem is in office they are once again flip flopping and showing how truly hypocrtiical and inconsistent they are.

Golly Gee Wizz is it OK to blame the CIC for the PC and the tone it creates? What Think You OP? Is the PC tone different under the DNC than it was under the RNC? Did the PC tone effect the Abilities involved? Was the DOD effected differently under DNC rule, or is this PC an excuse and are the RNC Hypocritical.

AAAAAA the Association for the Abolition of Abused Abbreviations and Asinine Acronyms
Military Acronyms, Initialisms, and Abbreviations

So since some of the "red flags" with hasan occured under W's watch and were not acted on am I to assume, based on your attempt to lay blame on the CIC that you are blaming bush for this? Or are you trying to claim that all of the "PC" crap that you are trying to lay at obama's feet occurred within the last 9+ months??
If that is your claim then could you please provide PROOF to back up your assertion?

 

[drsmith1072]

...

Many said we would suffer the effects of this ‘new’ attitude, and that if there were to be acts of terrorism, they would be the responsibility of President Obama..

Now we see the big push by the administration and the media to shield the President by announcing that this was surely not terrorism: anything but.

It's your call.

Yep. You nailed it. The warning signs were ignored because of the 'new' attitude of the Obama Administration.

and yet there is NO proof of that opinion despite the author of this thread being asked to provide some MULTIPLE times. Imagine that.

Can you offer proof that ALL of the "red flags" occured only AFTER obama took office? If not then doesn't bush deserve a large part of the blame that you are trying to lay only at obama's feet?

 

[CurveLight]

...

Many said we would suffer the effects of this ‘new’ attitude, and that if there were to be acts of terrorism, they would be the responsibility of President Obama..

Now we see the big push by the administration and the media to shield the President by announcing that this was surely not terrorism: anything but.

It's your call.

Yep. You nailed it. The warning signs were ignored because of the 'new' attitude of the Obama Administration.

and yet there is NO proof of that opinion despite the author of this thread being asked to provide some MULTIPLE times. Imagine that.

Can you offer proof that ALL of the "red flags" occured only AFTER obama took office? If not then doesn't bush deserve a large part of the blame that you are trying to lay only at obama's feet?

Don't you get it yet? When they blamed 9E on Clinton because Dubya was in office for only 8 months they swore the logic was sound. However, they have had revelations since then and while they still don't blame Dubya they don't blame Clinton either so blaming Obama is logically consistent, free of hypocrisy, and places the welfare of our nation at the epicenter of their concern. When will you get off the partisan hackery and care more about America instead of a Party?!?

 

[logical4u]

It really doesn't matter what you call him or name him, what matters is what follows from your naming. Criticizing Islam because it has its nuts and crazies hasn't helped much so far. It is actually a return to the middle ages and the religious wars and conflicts. If you don't believe as I do I kill you. Seems we progressed nada.

So consider Timothy McVeigh or even more pertinent Eric Robert Rudolph, how many here had the same discussion over their religion? (Catholics, as I was raised.) Were they both Christian fascist terrorists as both shared the same anti American government ideology that seems today to be growing again as it did when Clinton was elected. At least the rhetoric is growing. Or were they isolated nutcases influenced by beliefs not shared by the majority of Americans. How many raised all the hyperbole over the holocaust shooter? Seems somewhere in the background hypocrisy always hides its ugly head.

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

We were speaking of terrorists. If you want to talk about 'war', that is a totally different discussion. There have been those on this thread that want to equate 'a few' that have done terroristic violence with thousands that do terroristic violence on what seems, a daily basis in countries around the world. The extremists proclaim to want something and in places where that was granted (Pakistan, from India and some African nations), the terror did not stop, it escalated, and the demands have increased (kind of like libs).

 

[driveby]

You mean the hijackers survived the attacks and got medical treatment? Have you notified the FBI on their location?

Oh i forgot you're a libtard, it has to be spelled out for you. Khalid Sheik Mohammed gets the civilian court trial and Nick Berg gets his head sawed off. Cookies and punch will be served in the recess room in 10 minutes, don't be late .....

Lol. Who let you leave the kiddie table?

Sure thing corky ....

 

[logical4u]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

Absolutely amazing that you would blame the US for deaths at the hands of Saddam. The Iraqi government took food and resold it or retained it for their military's use. Sadam withheld it from children, not us. You failed to show even one death by Ameicans.

P.S. I knew that is what you were going to try, before you did it. Just like a trained monkey at the circus.

The good thing about being a trained monkey is knowing how to read which comes in handy when needing to look at interview where our own government admits reponsibility for the deaths we caused.

Our gov caused all these deaths, of children? I sure hope you don't want them to provide health care for CHILDREN (or the rest of us for that matter), it could result in our deaths. I hope that is were your logic was going?

 

[CurveLight]

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

We were speaking of terrorists. If you want to talk about 'war', that is a totally different discussion. There have been those on this thread that want to equate 'a few' that have done terroristic violence with thousands that do terroristic violence on what seems, a daily basis in countries around the world. The extremists proclaim to want something and in places where that was granted (Pakistan, from India and some African nations), the terror did not stop, it escalated, and the demands have increased (kind of like libs).

That changes your framework and negates your own claim. If you want to compare the number of people killed by products of nations then you must factor equitably and not on a derivative scale that is composed of arbitrary pieces. For example, you wish to point out nations that are predominantly muslim produce more terrorists than Western nations. You are omitting several vital elements for the sole purpose of supporting a claim that is wholly circular.

Since the US is predominantly Christian and we are the only nation in the history of....everything we know....to use nukes on civilians that must mean Christianity is inherently prone to indiscriminately torching tens of thousands of innocents. That is the exact logic you're trying to employ to make unbelievably dishonest claims.

 

[CurveLight]

Absolutely amazing that you would blame the US for deaths at the hands of Saddam. The Iraqi government took food and resold it or retained it for their military's use. Sadam withheld it from children, not us. You failed to show even one death by Ameicans.

P.S. I knew that is what you were going to try, before you did it. Just like a trained monkey at the circus.

The good thing about being a trained monkey is knowing how to read which comes in handy when needing to look at interview where our own government admits reponsibility for the deaths we caused.

Our gov caused all these deaths, of children? I sure hope you don't want them to provide health care for CHILDREN (or the rest of us for that matter), it could result in our deaths. I hope that is were your logic was going?

We've had enough entries in the Non-Sequitur Contest but thank you for the latest dazzling contribution.

 

[CurveLight]

Oh i forgot you're a libtard, it has to be spelled out for you. Khalid Sheik Mohammed gets the civilian court trial and Nick Berg gets his head sawed off. Cookies and punch will be served in the recess room in 10 minutes, don't be late .....

Lol. Who let you leave the kiddie table?

Sure thing corky ....

It was corky? Damn! That figures. Soon as the tithing plates are cleaned he's usually the first "volunteer" out the door.

But back to your Berger Helper.....try some other emotional string. I'm sure right now somebody is getting murdered or molested somewhere so hit google news and exploit that person's name to try and justify why you want to become the very thing you claim to be against the most.