Here's Why The Media Denies it Was Terrorism

[logical4u]

It really doesn't matter what you call him or name him, what matters is what follows from your naming. Criticizing Islam because it has its nuts and crazies hasn't helped much so far. It is actually a return to the middle ages and the religious wars and conflicts. If you don't believe as I do I kill you. Seems we progressed nada.

So consider Timothy McVeigh or even more pertinent Eric Robert Rudolph, how many here had the same discussion over their religion? (Catholics, as I was raised.) Were they both Christian fascist terrorists as both shared the same anti American government ideology that seems today to be growing again as it did when Clinton was elected. At least the rhetoric is growing. Or were they isolated nutcases influenced by beliefs not shared by the majority of Americans. How many raised all the hyperbole over the holocaust shooter? Seems somewhere in the background hypocrisy always hides its ugly head.

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

 

[Annie]

It really doesn't matter what you call him or name him, what matters is what follows from your naming. Criticizing Islam because it has its nuts and crazies hasn't helped much so far. It is actually a return to the middle ages and the religious wars and conflicts. If you don't believe as I do I kill you. Seems we progressed nada.

So consider Timothy McVeigh or even more pertinent Eric Robert Rudolph, how many here had the same discussion over their religion? (Catholics, as I was raised.) Were they both Christian fascist terrorists as both shared the same anti American government ideology that seems today to be growing again as it did when Clinton was elected. At least the rhetoric is growing. Or were they isolated nutcases influenced by beliefs not shared by the majority of Americans. How many raised all the hyperbole over the holocaust shooter? Seems somewhere in the background hypocrisy always hides its ugly head.

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

And those 'killers', 'terrorists' if you want, have been condemned by followers of those religions, not just by a few here and there, but on the pulpit and in the media. With the ties to abortion via Rudolph, the churches went to extremes to denounce that there was no justification. Same with the ijit that offed that abortion doctor in his church. NO Justification to kill to avoid killing.

 

[MajikMyst]

I am really not sure I understand how this debate about it being terrorism came to be?? The reason he did it was he was trying to commit suicide by military police.. He didn't want to go to Afghanistan and be placed in a situation to fight against his fellow muslims.. I can understand that to a degree.. How many jewish people in our military wouldn't want to fight against Isreal?? Would you Christians want to fight against other Christians??

There is no terrorism here.. Just a sick man trying to prevent himself from being forced to fight a war he doesn't want to fight..

If he were a terrorist.. He would have done something other than walk into a croweded room with a hand gun.. A few granades come to mind.. Terrorists want to kill as many as they can.. He certianly didn't use any method to kill as many as he could.. He didn't even use an assault rifle..

Now stop this nonsense.. He is a murderer.. Plain and simple.. Just because he happens to be muslim doesn't mean it is terrorism.. I suppose we could say the same for every christian that commits murder.. Or are you morons going to claim a double standard??

You were right in the beginning. You are not sure. Suicide by cop, please. You need two guns and multiple clips to do that? You fire at fifty to sixty people at close range? Taking other people's lives was definitely part of the plan.

BY your definition thirteen dead can't be a terrorist act, because not enough people died. You are a total whack job.

Other than you thinking me a whack job.. You have yet to give a logical reason why he is a terrorist?? Many mass murderers have killed more and not called a terrorist??

Please explain what makes his act an act of terrorism..

Your the whack job and a racist..

 

[oreo]

THE BEST QUOTE OUT OF THE MEDIA YET--in the defense that this was not a terrorist act.

Comes from none other than the "tingley leg" feeling guy--Criss Mathews of Hardball--MSNBC--who asked

"Why is it illegal to call Al Queda"???

Well, Criss it probably is illegal if you're a MAJOR in the United States army---LOL

 

[CurveLight]

Local cops? LOL

Try Department of Defense Police

You really should actually try reading something about a subject before opening your trap.

Now where would I get the idea it was local police?

"Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said Munley, 34, was doing traffic control in the area when Hasan allegedly began spraying unarmed soldiers with rounds from two pistols.

The civilian cop headed straight for the sound of gunfire."
Fort Hood Officer Kimberly Munley Hailed as Massacre Hero - ABC News


Gee...a civilian cop doing traffic control....hmmm.....let's look at something else.


You were saying something about reading before opening my trap? What was that you said above that I should try "Department of Defense Police?"

There is no such unified agency that goes under the title "Department of Defense Police".

There is no such unified agency that goes under the title "Department of Defense Police".

There is no such unified agency that goes under the title "Department of Defense Police".
Department of Defense Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude. You are seriously single handedly embarrassing all US Armed Forces. How much money will it take for you to take down that avatar and replace it with something that won't embarrass other Vets? How about:

I LOVE BUSH!

or

CHEESE DOODLES!

or

Jeapardy for Rednecks!
(14th runner up)


Whaddyathink?

I think you didn't read the link when you looked it up. Damn you make it so easy.

"Department of Defense Police, not to be confused with Pentagon Police, are the uniformed civilian police officers of the United States Department of Defense (such as the Defense Logistics Agency) or various branches of the United States Armed Forces "

From your Link

DUH

Holy shit. I pointed out it was a local cop going by the msm reports and you respond by preaching about reading and tried to claim she was not a local cop but DoD Police so I pointed out there is no agency called the DoD police and you still don't get it. This is just like when you claimed iraq "never" had a constitution. This is a typical bonding trait of your camp. You all silently agree to never criticize each other when you **** up while making tons of false accusations about others and in the sparse moments you hit anything with any form of accuracy, then you're all geniuses. Utilitarian alliances breed contempt for all that is worth fighting for.

 

[CurveLight]

It really doesn't matter what you call him or name him, what matters is what follows from your naming. Criticizing Islam because it has its nuts and crazies hasn't helped much so far. It is actually a return to the middle ages and the religious wars and conflicts. If you don't believe as I do I kill you. Seems we progressed nada.

So consider Timothy McVeigh or even more pertinent Eric Robert Rudolph, how many here had the same discussion over their religion? (Catholics, as I was raised.) Were they both Christian fascist terrorists as both shared the same anti American government ideology that seems today to be growing again as it did when Clinton was elected. At least the rhetoric is growing. Or were they isolated nutcases influenced by beliefs not shared by the majority of Americans. How many raised all the hyperbole over the holocaust shooter? Seems somewhere in the background hypocrisy always hides its ugly head.

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

 

[saveliberty]

It really doesn't matter what you call him or name him, what matters is what follows from your naming. Criticizing Islam because it has its nuts and crazies hasn't helped much so far. It is actually a return to the middle ages and the religious wars and conflicts. If you don't believe as I do I kill you. Seems we progressed nada.

So consider Timothy McVeigh or even more pertinent Eric Robert Rudolph, how many here had the same discussion over their religion? (Catholics, as I was raised.) Were they both Christian fascist terrorists as both shared the same anti American government ideology that seems today to be growing again as it did when Clinton was elected. At least the rhetoric is growing. Or were they isolated nutcases influenced by beliefs not shared by the majority of Americans. How many raised all the hyperbole over the holocaust shooter? Seems somewhere in the background hypocrisy always hides its ugly head.

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

Sources please. It better add up to more than 200,000 too.

 

[xsited1]

...

Many said we would suffer the effects of this ‘new’ attitude, and that if there were to be acts of terrorism, they would be the responsibility of President Obama..

Now we see the big push by the administration and the media to shield the President by announcing that this was surely not terrorism: anything but.

It's your call.

Yep. You nailed it. The warning signs were ignored because of the 'new' attitude of the Obama Administration.

 

[CurveLight]

...

Many said we would suffer the effects of this ‘new’ attitude, and that if there were to be acts of terrorism, they would be the responsibility of President Obama..

Now we see the big push by the administration and the media to shield the President by announcing that this was surely not terrorism: anything but.

It's your call.

Yep. You nailed it. The warning signs were ignored because of the 'new' attitude of the Obama Administration.

You mean the "new" attitude that has continued the old neocon policies? How the hell do you people say things so ridiculously absurd and not laugh so ******* hard it causes 50 typos?

 

[DiamondDave]

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

Sources please. It better add up to more than 200,000 too.

You won't see it.. the phony will run off and hide.. because the "hundreds of thousands" killed by America BS has been debunked over and over and over and over and over and over and over

 

[xsited1]

...

Many said we would suffer the effects of this ‘new’ attitude, and that if there were to be acts of terrorism, they would be the responsibility of President Obama..

Now we see the big push by the administration and the media to shield the President by announcing that this was surely not terrorism: anything but.

It's your call.

Yep. You nailed it. The warning signs were ignored because of the 'new' attitude of the Obama Administration.

You mean the "new" attitude that has continued the old neocon policies? How the hell do you people say things so ridiculously absurd and not laugh so ******* hard it causes 50 typos?

In many ways, Obama is just like Bush. However, his Administration's attitude on terrorism has changed significantly. Terrorism is now called a 'Man-caused Disaster'. WTH? The lengths the MSM goes to protect the Obama Administration is ridiculous. The fact that you can't see this is cause for concern.

 

[CurveLight]

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

Sources please. It better add up to more than 200,000 too.

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[CurveLight]

Yep. You nailed it. The warning signs were ignored because of the 'new' attitude of the Obama Administration.

You mean the "new" attitude that has continued the old neocon policies? How the hell do you people say things so ridiculously absurd and not laugh so ******* hard it causes 50 typos?

In many ways, Obama is just like Bush. However, his Administration's attitude on terrorism has changed significantly. Terrorism is now called a 'Man-caused Disaster'. WTH? The lengths the MSM goes to protect the Obama Administration is ridiculous. The fact that you can't see this is cause for concern.

You call it a "concern" when others don't buy into your unsupported claim? What do consider pocket lint to be? A brushfire hazard?

 

[xsited1]

You mean the "new" attitude that has continued the old neocon policies? How the hell do you people say things so ridiculously absurd and not laugh so ******* hard it causes 50 typos?

In many ways, Obama is just like Bush. However, his Administration's attitude on terrorism has changed significantly. Terrorism is now called a 'Man-caused Disaster'. WTH? The lengths the MSM goes to protect the Obama Administration is ridiculous. The fact that you can't see this is cause for concern.

You call it a "concern" when others don't buy into your unsupported claim? What do consider pocket lint to be? A brushfire hazard?

As I said before, you should be concerned that you cannot see the problems. Is it willful ignorance or stupidity? It's one or the other.

 

[Intense]

It really doesn't matter what you call him or name him, what matters is what follows from your naming. Criticizing Islam because it has its nuts and crazies hasn't helped much so far. It is actually a return to the middle ages and the religious wars and conflicts. If you don't believe as I do I kill you. Seems we progressed nada.

So consider Timothy McVeigh or even more pertinent Eric Robert Rudolph, how many here had the same discussion over their religion? (Catholics, as I was raised.) Were they both Christian fascist terrorists as both shared the same anti American government ideology that seems today to be growing again as it did when Clinton was elected. At least the rhetoric is growing. Or were they isolated nutcases influenced by beliefs not shared by the majority of Americans. How many raised all the hyperbole over the holocaust shooter? Seems somewhere in the background hypocrisy always hides its ugly head.

Two infamous killers in twenty years versus new killers (for Allah) every week, yes we have one terrible society that keeps churning out losers (murderers) at the same pace as the countries under the heavy influence of islam. Great point, try running the numbers, cause I can't count how many have been killed (in the name of Allah) in the last ten years. McViegh, & Rudolph (part of Satan's warriors) did kill, but there is no 'legitimate' way you can compare the numbers of dead from these two against the thousands and thousands killed across the globe every year (in the name of Allah). How can you ignore the facts?

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

Are We Really? It takes two to tango. Last I checked We have been focused on rebuilding, not blowing things up. Your side seeks to destroy. I say Your side, because I can see no other explanation for Your polarized and irrational behavior. You are not worthy of peyote.

 

[Intense]

Where did you get that bubble of comfortable living by intellectual dishonesty? Our nation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded over the past 20 years in Iraq alone. What the ****? How do people so neatly carve out their own little tiny slices of peyote reality?

Sources please. It better add up to more than 200,000 too.

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Maybe You could change Your Name to Winston Smith? Don't worry about backing up Your False assertions, you are not taken seriously. Al Jezeera is hiring. There you can Report creatively and fight.

 

[CurveLight]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

 

[Intense]

You mean the "new" attitude that has continued the old neocon policies? How the hell do you people say things so ridiculously absurd and not laugh so ******* hard it causes 50 typos?

In many ways, Obama is just like Bush. However, his Administration's attitude on terrorism has changed significantly. Terrorism is now called a 'Man-caused Disaster'. WTH? The lengths the MSM goes to protect the Obama Administration is ridiculous. The fact that you can't see this is cause for concern.

You call it a "concern" when others don't buy into your unsupported claim? What do consider pocket lint to be? A brushfire hazard?

Your Last Meal?

 

[CurveLight]

Sources please. It better add up to more than 200,000 too.

Sorry, you're currently on the Link Strike list. If you feel you have reached this message in error please contact our Appeals and Grievances Department. Thank you for your cooperation.

Maybe You could change Your Name to Winston Smith? Don't worry about backing up Your False assertions, you are not taken seriously. Al Jezeera is hiring. There you can Report creatively and fight.

You're so predictable. I was typing the post providing the info while you posted this. As for not being taken seriously, do you truly believe I give a ****?

 

[Intense]

I hope some are saved from getting their panties in a bunch when they read the info.

"CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl (speaking of post-war sanctions against Iraq):
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And - and you know, is the price worth it?"

Madeleine Albright (at that time, US Ambassador to the UN):
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it."


Seven years later albright tried to backpedal:

"I must have been crazy; I should have answered the question by reframing it and pointing out the inherrent flaws in the premise behind it. Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering by simply meeting his obligations."


It's typical for people to try to ignore this by saying it was the UN. That is true but it's ******* stupid to ignore we were the ones driving it and she pointed out that Bush said the Sanctions would remain as long as Saddam was in power......which means Albright's claim is bullshit because even one hundred percent adherence would not have ended them. While the numbers are not exact it is safe to say the claim we have killed and wounded hundreds of thousands in iraq over the past 20 years is easily supported by this and other sources regarding the increase during our invasion and occupation. The original study cited by CBS was flawed but a different study within iraq reflected the same info.

"The CESR study that estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children (cited in the CBS report) was found to be methodologically flawed.

However, a 1999 UNICEF survey within Iraq reinforced the earlier studies. Based on new data, it also estimated 500,000 excess deaths among Iraqi children under 5-years old.

UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, the Humanitarian Coordinator for the Oil for Food program in Iraq, resigned in 1998 to protest sanctions that he later termed "genocidal".
Sanctions and War in Iraq

The sanctions were not designed to hurt Saddam but only the iraqis in hopes they would revolt against the Ba'ath Party. It's safe to say as a Nation we do not have the moral authority to ***** about needless killing.

Wow, Albright did it! Clinton screwed up big time, huh. How about Carter? If Carter had supported the Shah of Iran, how many lives would have been saved? If We would have stayed in Lebanon, how many lives would have been saved? It's Reagan's fault too.........!

UN Supported Sanctions killing the World off Eh? What was the alternative? War? Political Assassination? We can't get anything right. You can't get anything wrong? Your philosophy points too many fingers, what it really needs is a mirror to point at.