Here's How The Left Sees It!

PoliticalChic

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Always looking for a good fight from the Left, and too rarely finding same, I'm going to have to find a well-versed, articulate spokesperson to make their argument.

Guess it will have to be me.
Now...remember....this is the Leftist's view of economics, and the world in general.
Lefties.....see if you can deny it!






1. All of us are citizens of the world, and what happens in one nation affects all the others, and, therefore, the only way to get the right things done is by subordinating state sovereignty in favor of international law.


2. The subtext of that idea is that it is time for the power of the market to be handed over to the state. Look at China....see what state-run capitalism can achieve; capitalism doesn't require democracy.

a. India tried capitalism, and is the home of a third of the poorest people on the planet.

b. True, things have gotten better, and the proportion of the world's population that lived on a dollar a day has dropped dramatically....but that is due to globalization, not capitalism.






3. Imagine the nations of the world as a homeowner's association somewhere in America. The spectrum of indebtedness might run from zero debt and healthy bank balance, to some families barely hanging on by their fingernails, not sure how they'll afford groceries much less pay the mortgage.

Now...what happens if the poor family defaults on their mortgage because both parents got laid off, or had a catastrophic illness...foreclosure and eviction!

The house goes on the market...the bank doesn't want to be in the home ownership business, so it sells at a low price....Now, what happens to the value of the other homes in the development?
Everyone loses equity.

4. But, you say...is it the government's job to take money from one group and give it to another? Yup...we call it 'taxes.'

Or, the free-market assesses taxes in this way: when the foreclosed family doesn't pay its fees to the homeowners association, it raises fees on everyone else. They push those who have more to pay more!

5. The best thing for everyone would be rebalancing the economy, lessening economic inequality, and this would be social justice. Wipe out all debt!
Give everyone, and every nation, a chance to get rid of its debts, and start fresh.







6. Some might say that the housing crisis occurred because the government strong-armed banks into providing mortgages to people who didn't qualify. Perhaps...but people have a right to a place to live.

After all, rights should be what an enlightened government decides is best for everyone. While some say rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, how can one be happy without a place to live?

a. Shouldn't that include a job, an education, medical care, too?
The founding documents were written over two centuries ago, before the framers realized how complex society would become.






7. Now, once we start over, with everyone starting at the same place, the global economy would thrive! Of course, we'd need a universal set of rules, with redesigned international institutions, and international laws for all. Individual rights have to take a back seat for the good of everyone's collective rights.

8. The problem is largely the free-market view, complaints about government intervention and regulation, the flawed idea that capitalism works because people pursue their own self-interest, and need no checks on that self-interest, no accountability.

If asking society to invest in its citizens in order to make life better for them is socialism,...well, so be it.
After all...the terms 'socialism' and 'communism' are simply terms meant to demonize.

a. The interim phase between selfish capitalism and selfless communism is socialism. Yes, there is an element of authority, some may call it dictatorship, by an enlightened ruling class of elites who control the human environment in egalitarian terms in order that they may make life better for all.





9. This is about justice...about making life more equitable for all! How can anyone believe that life based on greed and self-interest is a good thing?






The majority of the above based on a lecture by a character....OK, the villain, in Brad Thor's novel "Full Black."

Seems like a fair exposition of the Leftist view,....doesn't it?
I can see that testosterone fist pump from our board-Leftists!!!
 
Gee, maybe it was because I was skim-reading, but I didn't see the part about how we want to let all the criminals out of prison, or about having all the children raised in government day-care centers :rolleyes:
 
Gee, maybe it was because I was skim-reading, but I didn't see the part about how we want to let all the criminals out of prison, or about having all the children raised in government day-care centers :rolleyes:



Gee....you didn't find anything to disagree with, did ya'?
 
Gee, maybe it was because I was skim-reading, but I didn't see the part about how we want to let all the criminals out of prison, or about having all the children raised in government day-care centers :rolleyes:



Gee....you didn't find anything to disagree with, did ya'?

It's called sarcasm :cuckoo:



Try again: you didn't find anything in the OP that ran counter to your...or other Leftists...beliefs, did you?


You'd merely be agreeing that the OP portrayed what it claimed to portray.
 
Gee....you didn't find anything to disagree with, did ya'?

It's called sarcasm :cuckoo:



Try again: you didn't find anything in the OP that ran counter to your...or other Leftists...beliefs, did you?


You'd merely be agreeing that the OP portrayed what it claimed to portray.

I did not find anything in the OP that accurately described my political opinions--hence why you got the sarcastic response. Perhaps I just don't qualify as "left" in your book. Fair enough.
 
It's called sarcasm :cuckoo:



Try again: you didn't find anything in the OP that ran counter to your...or other Leftists...beliefs, did you?


You'd merely be agreeing that the OP portrayed what it claimed to portray.

I did not find anything in the OP that accurately described my political opinions--hence why you got the sarcastic response. Perhaps I just don't qualify as "left" in your book. Fair enough.



I'll take your word for your beliefs....

...but you won't deny that they are the Left's views.
 
Try again: you didn't find anything in the OP that ran counter to your...or other Leftists...beliefs, did you?


You'd merely be agreeing that the OP portrayed what it claimed to portray.

I did not find anything in the OP that accurately described my political opinions--hence why you got the sarcastic response. Perhaps I just don't qualify as "left" in your book. Fair enough.



I'll take your word for your beliefs....

...but you won't deny that they are the Left's views.

I'm not an expert on the true political left, because it isn't a factor in this country's politics.
 
I did not find anything in the OP that accurately described my political opinions--hence why you got the sarcastic response. Perhaps I just don't qualify as "left" in your book. Fair enough.



I'll take your word for your beliefs....

...but you won't deny that they are the Left's views.

I'm not an expert on the true political left, because it isn't a factor in this country's politics.



Now, now....you're pedaling faster than Ed Begley, Jr., trying to make a piece of toast.
 
I did not find anything in the OP that accurately described my political opinions--hence why you got the sarcastic response. Perhaps I just don't qualify as "left" in your book. Fair enough.



I'll take your word for your beliefs....

...but you won't deny that they are the Left's views.

I'm not an expert on the true political left, because it isn't a factor in this country's politics.



None of you Lefties are willing to peruse the OP, and thump your chest, and say "Yup...that's what I believe!!"

I know that it is....I've seen posts that support same for our local Leftists.

So....why no endorsement?

Because they look at the list, and realize how foolish it is.





Let me provide the alternative to the OP:

(Ibid.)

1. It is morally wrong to take anything that doesn't belong to you...and having the state take it doesn't magically make it either OK or right.

a. To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury



2. Socialism and communism have both been tried, and neither have worked. Unless, you consider the murder of over one hundred million human beings in support of those doctrines, as 'working.'

a. "The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198



3. When people become reliant on the state, it saps motivation, and ambition, and erodes their self respect, their work ethic, and their independence.

a. The government conducted a study, 1971-1978 known as the Seattle-Denver Income Maintenance Experiment, or SIME-DIME, in which low income families were give a guaranteed income, a welfare package with everything liberal policy makers could hope for.
Result: for every dollar of extra welfare given, low income recipients reduced their labor by 80 cents.
http://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/12794.pdf



4. The product of socialism is envy and class warfare. The makers resent the takers for skimming off the profits that they are rightly due, and the takers resent the makers, because no matter how much they get from the makers, they always see that group as having more. And the politicians will tell them they are entitled to more, and convince them that the makers have stolen their resources.

a. “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man.”
Mark Twain
 
Gee, maybe it was because I was skim-reading, but I didn't see the part about how we want to let all the criminals out of prison, or about having all the children raised in government day-care centers :rolleyes:



Gee....you didn't find anything to disagree with, did ya'?

This crap is probably more useful to you for defining the "others," PC, and it helps you to depersonalize the "enemy." Personally speaking, I don't much of a shit. I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice. I also believe that national economic success comes from an active, engaging, and investing government. I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens.

So rub up against that, little trollette.
 
Gee, maybe it was because I was skim-reading, but I didn't see the part about how we want to let all the criminals out of prison, or about having all the children raised in government day-care centers :rolleyes:



Gee....you didn't find anything to disagree with, did ya'?

This crap is probably more useful to you for defining the "others," PC, and it helps you to depersonalize the "enemy." Personally speaking, I don't much of a shit. I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice. I also believe that national economic success comes from an active, engaging, and investing government. I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens.

So rub up against that, little trollette.





"I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice."

" I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens."



Pick one:

Either you're telling the truth.....

....or you voted for Obama.
 
Gee....you didn't find anything to disagree with, did ya'?

This crap is probably more useful to you for defining the "others," PC, and it helps you to depersonalize the "enemy." Personally speaking, I don't much of a shit. I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice. I also believe that national economic success comes from an active, engaging, and investing government. I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens.

So rub up against that, little trollette.





"I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice."

" I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens."



Pick one:

Either you're telling the truth.....

....or you voted for Obama.

I voted for Obama, and I regret it. Having said that--I didn't see much of a choice at the time. Romney may, in fact, have been a better president. I suspect he would have been more "liberal" than Obama has turned out to be.
 
This from the same dumb **** who thanked a flame zone whine from a right-wing nutter complaining about how he's sick of libruls always telling him what he thinks. :lmao:
 
This crap is probably more useful to you for defining the "others," PC, and it helps you to depersonalize the "enemy." Personally speaking, I don't much of a shit. I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice. I also believe that national economic success comes from an active, engaging, and investing government. I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens.

So rub up against that, little trollette.





"I want smaller governments over smaller geographic areas--state-sized is nice."

" I also believe that civil liberties are above government power, and I believe that governments exist at the pleasure of citizens."



Pick one:

Either you're telling the truth.....

....or you voted for Obama.

I voted for Obama, and I regret it. Having said that--I didn't see much of a choice at the time. Romney may, in fact, have been a better president. I suspect he would have been more "liberal" than Obama has turned out to be.



I can give you the basis for that choice.....actually Arthur Koestler gave it:

1. Arthur Koestler resigned from the German Communist Party on April 22, 1938. At that point he was a non-Communist, not an anti-Communist. He is an author and expert on Communists...and, as I'll show...Liberals


a. “The God That Failed is a 1949 book which collects together six essays with the testimonies of a number of famous ex-communists, who were writers and journalists. The common theme of the essays is the authors' disillusionment with and abandonment of communism….The six contributors were Louis Fischer, André Gide, Arthur Koestler, Ignazio Silone, Stephen Spender, andRichard Wright.” The God that Failed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



2. In “Darkness at Noon,” published in 1940, Koestler writes about the 1938 Moscow Show Trials. This, from the novel:

“There are only two conceptions of human ethics, and they are at opposite poles. One of them is Christian and humane, declares the individual to be sacrosanct, and asserts that the rules of arithmetic are not to be applied to human units.

The other starts from the basic principle that a collective aim justifies all means, and not only allows, but demands, that the individual should in every way be subordinated and sacrificed to the community which may dispose of it as an experimentation rabbit or a sacrificial lamb.

The first conception could be called anti-vivisection morality, the second, vivisection morality. Humbugs and dilettantes have always tried to mix the two conceptions; in practice, it is impossible. Whoever is burdened with power and responsibility finds out on the first occasion that he has to choose; and he is fatally driven to the second al¬ternative.” (p. 157)





3. When Koestler writes " a collective aim justifies all means, and not only allows, but demands, that the individual should in every way be subordinated and sacrificed to the community..."



...think about the basis of ObamaCare....Liberal Utopian healthcare for all....except we may have to kill off the sick.


a. A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
Betsy McCaughey
Downgrading American Medical Care | The American Spectator

b. Democrat Governor Dick Lamm once created a firestorm in Colorado (a few years after leaving the Governor’s office) when he said: “the elderly have a duty to die.”

c. Democrat Tom Daschle, original nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department, and says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg




Koestler makes the choice clear.
 

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