Hegseth defends returning Confederate monument to Arlington National Cemetery

[Fort Fun Indiana]

My point was on the motive of the southenr soldiers, ie defending their homes.

Unfortunately they chose the side of the slaver traitors, so they got to eat musket balls for breakfast, too. Good riddance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nope. My pointing out your lies and not letting you get away with them is not whining.

you are lying because you like it when conservatives stop calling you on them, so you can spam negs and not be called out on what a filthy liar you are.


If you make a point, a real point, that is not buried in shit talk, I will be happy to address it.

But you leftards seem more concerned with spamming shit talk, so that is what I am responding to, your primary focus.



Truthfully I'm not really up on teh form of the various confederate states. I assume some level of representative legislature with a strong executive branch, like the US, but I don't really know.







no, it doesn't. That you want to punch down on dead men that fought to protect theihomes from invasion, is you being a craven coward.

Even the worst people can punch down on slaver traitors and their sheep.

 

[Correll]

Unfortunately they chose the side of the slaver traitors, so they got to eat musket balls for breakfast, too. Good riddance.

Tough talk from someone who came along about 5 generations after better men fought and won that war.


Those better men were fine with forgiving and reuniting with their former foes.


no one alive today, has any moral authority to over rule that decision.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm constantly having to point out how much lying you filthy leftards are doing.

I would be happy to discuss actual issues or even history, but you leftards feel a need to constantly lie.



AT this point, I would settle for any discussion, that did not end in one post with you lefards playing stupid so you can change the subject.




Of course the vast majority of southern soldiers were poor farmers with zero input into policy.

So... your statement was... ******* stupid.




Fighting to defend your home from an invading army, is being a a "hero".

Any man can recognize that.

That you cannot, is you not being a Man.

Your view of history is very simplistic and ignores the evil of the Confederacy

They were not heroes

 

[Correll]

Your view of history is very simplistic and ignores the evil of the Confederacy

They were not heroes

The men of the time, the men that fought the COnfederacy and won, long before you were born,

disagreed.

 

[Marener]

Truthfully I'm not really up on teh form of the various confederate states. I assume some level of representative legislature with a strong executive branch, like the US, but I don't really know.

They must have had Republican forms of government before they seceded, as is required by the constitution. Saying they have nothing to do with policy is revisionist and ignorant.

no, it doesn't. That you want to punch down on dead men that fought to protect theihomes from invasion, is you being a craven coward.

Okay. Are the Taliban heroes for attacking American soldiers when we invaded Afghanistan? Are Palestinians heroes for killing IDF?

Don’t be so categorical.

 

[Correll]

They must have had Republican forms of government before they seceded, as is required by the constitution. Saying they have nothing to do with policy is revisionist and ignorant.

My impression was that south was really bad for property restrictions and literacy tests to limit voting.

NOt to mention that even if allowed to vote, doesn't really mean you have much... political power.

My understanding was that the big money of the big plantations, dominated Confederate politics.

ANd that the small farmers were pretty .... ignored at best.

Okay. Are the Taliban heroes for attacking American soldiers when we invaded Afghanistan? Are Palestinians heroes for killing IDF?

Don’t be so categorical.

I thnk that the taliban leaders were very dumb to decide to start a war with teh US.

I don't blame individual taliban soliders for fighting us, when we invaded.

 

[rightwinger]

The men of the time, the men that fought the COnfederacy and won, long before you were born,

disagreed.


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Why don’t you ask the slaves if Confederate soldiers were heroes?

 

[playtime]

why wouldn't a drunk traitor want to honor other traitors who committed treason because they wanted to own people?

 

[Correll]

Why don’t you ask the slaves if Confederate soldiers were heroes?

Becasue they aren't the ones that paid the price to free them.

The veterans of the Union are the ones with the moral authority in this discussion,

and they were fine with the veterans of the Confederacy being celebrated and embraced by AMERICA.


You are a piece of shit.

 

[Zincwarrior]

OK Skippy

Can you name any Confederate soldier who came home and fought to integrate freed slaves?

You claim there are….name some

Longstreet I believe.

 

[Marener]

My impression was that south was really bad for property restrictions and literacy tests to limit voting.

NOt to mention that even if allowed to vote, doesn't really mean you have much... political power.

My understanding was that the big money of the big plantations, dominated Confederate politics.

ANd that the small farmers were pretty .... ignored at best.

Literacy tests were a post-war creation. Land ownership was more common, but wouldn’t have limited voting for small farmers. You claimed they didn’t have a voice in policy, and that was not really the case. If their government was so dominated by the aristocratic plantation owners, they wouldn’t have been fighting to maintain their hierarchy. The reason they did was because they wanted to preserve the institution of slavery.

I thnk that the taliban leaders were very dumb to decide to start a war with teh US.

I don't blame individual taliban soliders for fighting us, when we invaded.

The Taliban didn’t start a war. You “don’t blame them”, which is a long ways away from saying they’re heroes. You’re shifting language betrays the fact that you haven’t come up with a logical response and we damn well know you can’t admit you’re wrong.

And you won’t touch the Palestinians killing IDF members.

As you put it, I’m kicking your ass here.

 

[Correll]

Literacy tests were a post-war creation. Land ownership was more common, but wouldn’t have limited voting for small farmers. You claimed they didn’t have a voice in policy, and that was not really the case. If their government was so dominated by the aristocratic plantation owners, they wouldn’t have been fighting to maintain their hierarchy. The reason they did was because they wanted to preserve the institution of slavery.

you got to vote in teh last election. I guess that means you are MAGA?

The Taliban didn’t start a war. You “don’t blame them”, which is a long ways away from saying they’re heroes. You’re shifting language betrays the fact that you haven’t come up with a logical response and we damn well know you can’t admit you’re wrong.

IF in a couple of years some afghanistanis women wanted to put up a statue commemorating their fathers that died fighting America,

I would respect that. Only a weak pathetic man would not.

And you won’t touch the Palestinians killing IDF members.

As you put it, I’m kicking your ass here.

In your dreams commie.

 

[rightwinger]

Becasue they aren't the ones that paid the price to free them.

The veterans of the Union are the ones with the moral authority in this discussion,

and they were fine with the veterans of the Confederacy being celebrated and embraced by AMERICA.


You are a piece of shit.

No one paid a bigger price than those who lived a life in slavery. No confederate soldier paid the price to free them….they paid the price to keep them enslaved

Slaves were 40 percent of the Confederacy but are ignored in the lost cause narrative

They are the ones deserving of monuments to the Confederacy.

You are a piece of shit for honoring the institution of slavery

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tough talk from someone who came along about 5 generations after better men fought and won that war.

That's not tough talk. It's what happened. And I am glad they lost. Which means i am glad they died, because that's how wars are lost. I dont make the rules.

I see not everyone is happy they lost.

Those better men were fine with forgiving and reuniting with their former foes.

As long as they surrendered unconditionally.

They should continue to do so.

 

[Correll]

No body paid a bigger price than those who lived a life in slavery. No confederate soldier paid the price to free them….they paid the price to keep them enslaved

Plenty of Union soliders died in the fight to free them. Plenty lose arms or legs.

You ever die to free another man from slavery?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Tough talk from someone who came along about 5 generations after better men fought and won that war.


Those better men were fine with forgiving and reuniting with their former foes.


no one alive today, has any moral authority to over rule that decision.

I would submit WE ALL DO. They tried to destroy the Republic. Our Republic.

 

[Correll]

That's not tough talk.

Sure it was. YOu wouldn't talk like that, if any of them were still alive or in your face. They might kick your lily white liberal ass.

It's what happened. And I am glad they lost. Which means i am glad they died, because that's how wars are lost. I dont make the rules.

What a tough guy you are. Talking so harshly about men that died before you were born.

I see not everyone is happy they lost.

Aw, look, now the leftard is lying some more. What a shock.

As long as they surrendered unconditionally.

They should continue to do so.

The war ended, both sides hugged it out and made up.

For you to come along now, at this late date and talk shit on them, or to try to remove statues to them,

is you being a piece of shit.

 

[Correll]

I would submit WE ALL DO. They tried to destroy the Republic. Our Republic.

You would be wrong.

YOur desire to forever hold your former foes in some sort of permanent group guilt,


is completely unAmerican and morally indefensible.

 

[Mac-7]

More revisionist history
Integration was met with extreme violence by both white citizens and police

Vietnam protests were not even close to the terrorism faced by Civil Rights protesters

You are speaking of the Deep South

The extreme violence came from a tiny minority

The Vietnam protests were much bigger and more violent than the reaction to the civil rights movement