ColonelAngus
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All authority for executive agencies come from the president. You cannot delegate authority to one of his agents that is not controlled by the president himself.
The “ban” on travel to China was anything but. It did not include US citizens. Now, if you’re really going to be okay with US citizens traveling to and from Wuhan, then you have to get serious about tracking, testing and quarantining them. In fact, we should have been doing just that with any traveler to and from any affected country.First death was Feb 28th. So you close the country on one death?It’s going to be some time before we really understand what Trump did with the information he got, including Congressional hearings.Trump? How about all the struggling Americans who need the jobs and the income? Your TDS is working overtime today. A great economy is great for everyone. You would rather watch people die and suffer so long as Trump loses? That is frankly sick.Months and years? Hydrox has been around for 70 years. What are you researching? Doctors all over the world are using it. People are dying now. There is no more time to research. What part of that do you not understand? Doctors are prescribing it. Millions of doses. Do you not read/watch the news? Wake up, Leftist.We do not have years. The virus is here and killing people daily. His response and daily briefings have been excellent and his approval ratings reflect that.Democrats are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the short term when hydroxychloroquine or a named branded derivative/concoction with azythromycin(e.g. Percocet) ends up being the go to drug. It is almost there now, they just don't know it because they keep watching the MSM and the lefties. Trump said it and they hate it. It is that simple. God forbid it got American back to work before the Democrats could get the amount of economic damage(and disinformation) they need to even have a chance in the upcoming election.
More and more research is showing not only its efficacy as a form of treatment, but the mechanism by which it is working. The good thing is that even the Democrats can't control this world-wide research. The entire world isn't as interested in getting at Trump at all costs, including dragging their feet with regards to this drug.
No Democrat anywhere is opposing doctors using these drugs if they are effective and recommended as a course of treatment. Widespread approval for distribution will take years of clinical trials, research, and data. But the Trump supporters see the distribution of this drug as their shot from beyond the arc to save Trump's re-election chances. Forgetting at the same time that voters this fall will be judging him on his response to the virus. Which was abysmal.
And if the patients doctor recommends the drugs as a course of treatment, it will be administered. Approval will take months, maybe years of research. Again, this isn't a miracle drug that will save Trump. He's cooked his own goose here.
Excellent briefings?..LOL. I am always amazed at Trump supporters ability to make their own reality. They really do live in their own little world. His briefings are rambling, disjointed diatribes laced with the occasional dangerous pieces of misinformation.
I watch the news every day as well as post here. And I know desperation when I smell it. A desperate bid to save Trump's chances in November. Yes, these drugs have been around for years....and are approved to treat certain conditions..which there is a plethora of data for detailing their benefits..after years of research and testing. The FDA took the rails down and doctors are free to prescribe these drugs if they believe they will help the patient. The drug has shown promise in treating infected patients. But taking something that has shown promise in a small group (relatively speaking) and extrapolating that out to say it works for everyone is dangerous. Doctors prescribe medications and decide if they are appropriate. Not politicians or right wing media figures.
So who said it will work for everybody?
That's what the hope is for Trump's supporters. Distribute the drug to all infected. Send everyone back to work, open things up. Presto, Trump gets to do the one thing he's good at again. Campaign.
Well, maybe if Trump acts like a President in January and takes the virus outbreak seriously, shutting down the country might not have been needed. But he decided it was more important to golf, hold his rallies, and tweet than it was to actually do his job. But his rabid supporters refuse to hold him accountable. It's everybody else's fault. Yes Trump Defense Syndrome is rampant. It is proving especially resistant to the drug combination of reason and common sense.
China and the WHO were lying to the world about it. If Trump ignored them, you would have said he was dumping on the experts. You are FOS
One of the things that makes me shake my head about rabid Trump supporters like you is that you will never hold him accountable for anything. It's always someone else's fault. Same crap Trump has been pulling his entire adult life.
We are the greatest nation in the world. We don't wait for any country or organization to act before we do. Trump is an incompetent fraud. It's no surprise he failed to act. He doesn't have the capacity.
I hold him fully responsible for our rapid and effective response to this virus.
Its Ok, if you hate him, but please stop the lies about the virus response. It has been outstanding in every way.
No he hasn't. Outside of restricting travel from China and Europe, he largely did nothing until he was forced to on March 13th. But if that's the bar you supporters set for him, that's not my problem. If Trump displayed your idea of "outstanding" in my company, he'd have already been shown the door. I understand he's your guy, though.
Trump? How about all the struggling Americans who need the jobs and the income? Your TDS is working overtime today. A great economy is great for everyone. You would rather watch people die and suffer so long as Trump loses? That is frankly sick.Months and years? Hydrox has been around for 70 years. What are you researching? Doctors all over the world are using it. People are dying now. There is no more time to research. What part of that do you not understand? Doctors are prescribing it. Millions of doses. Do you not read/watch the news? Wake up, Leftist.We do not have years. The virus is here and killing people daily. His response and daily briefings have been excellent and his approval ratings reflect that.Democrats are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the short term when hydroxychloroquine or a named branded derivative/concoction with azythromycin(e.g. Percocet) ends up being the go to drug. It is almost there now, they just don't know it because they keep watching the MSM and the lefties. Trump said it and they hate it. It is that simple. God forbid it got American back to work before the Democrats could get the amount of economic damage(and disinformation) they need to even have a chance in the upcoming election.
More and more research is showing not only its efficacy as a form of treatment, but the mechanism by which it is working. The good thing is that even the Democrats can't control this world-wide research. The entire world isn't as interested in getting at Trump at all costs, including dragging their feet with regards to this drug.
No Democrat anywhere is opposing doctors using these drugs if they are effective and recommended as a course of treatment. Widespread approval for distribution will take years of clinical trials, research, and data. But the Trump supporters see the distribution of this drug as their shot from beyond the arc to save Trump's re-election chances. Forgetting at the same time that voters this fall will be judging him on his response to the virus. Which was abysmal.
And if the patients doctor recommends the drugs as a course of treatment, it will be administered. Approval will take months, maybe years of research. Again, this isn't a miracle drug that will save Trump. He's cooked his own goose here.
Excellent briefings?..LOL. I am always amazed at Trump supporters ability to make their own reality. They really do live in their own little world. His briefings are rambling, disjointed diatribes laced with the occasional dangerous pieces of misinformation.
I watch the news every day as well as post here. And I know desperation when I smell it. A desperate bid to save Trump's chances in November. Yes, these drugs have been around for years....and are approved to treat certain conditions..which there is a plethora of data for detailing their benefits..after years of research and testing. The FDA took the rails down and doctors are free to prescribe these drugs if they believe they will help the patient. The drug has shown promise in treating infected patients. But taking something that has shown promise in a small group (relatively speaking) and extrapolating that out to say it works for everyone is dangerous. Doctors prescribe medications and decide if they are appropriate. Not politicians or right wing media figures.
So who said it will work for everybody?
That's what the hope is for Trump's supporters. Distribute the drug to all infected. Send everyone back to work, open things up. Presto, Trump gets to do the one thing he's good at again. Campaign.
Well, maybe if Trump acts like a President in January and takes the virus outbreak seriously, shutting down the country might not have been needed. But he decided it was more important to golf, hold his rallies, and tweet than it was to actually do his job. But his rabid supporters refuse to hold him accountable. It's everybody else's fault. Yes Trump Defense Syndrome is rampant. It is proving especially resistant to the drug combination of reason and common sense.
China and the WHO were lying to the world about it. If Trump ignored them, you would have said he was dumping on the experts. You are FOS
One of the things that makes me shake my head about rabid Trump supporters like you is that you will never hold him accountable for anything. It's always someone else's fault. Same crap Trump has been pulling his entire adult life.
We are the greatest nation in the world. We don't wait for any country or organization to act before we do. Trump is an incompetent fraud. It's no surprise he failed to act. He doesn't have the capacity.
I hold him fully responsible for our rapid and effective response to this virus.
Its Ok, if you hate him, but please stop the lies about the virus response. It has been outstanding in every way.
No he hasn't. Outside of restricting travel from China and Europe, he largely did nothing until he was forced to on March 13th. But if that's the bar you supporters set for him, that's not my problem. If Trump displayed your idea of "outstanding" in my company, he'd have already been shown the door. I understand he's your guy, though.
The President acted on advice from the CDC. They were calling the shots, not the President.
Orange Man Bad. They can’t take it. By definition everything he does is bad because he is Trump.
Remember the whole lie about stealing the election from a HIllary? People just moved on to the next thing because OMB!
He responded to the virus with a racist travel ban!
He didn’t do it soon enough! Just morons. Many disingenuous as well.
It's your typical leftist game of trying to put Republicans in a damned if you do and damned if you don't position.
They were crying that Trump didn't listen to his people; Trump does what Trump wants, and ignores everybody else; Trump thinks he's king and only he calls all the shots.
What the President did was exactly what they were complaining that he doesn't do. He was listening to the recommendation of the CDC, the FDA, and the medical personnel on is staff. Guess what? Now they are complaining he didn't disregard their input and act on his own.
Sorry, but I don’t think you can justify saying that he did everything they told him to do.
Sure I can. Need the timeline? I have it if you like.
Nobody ever imagined our country could be anything like this. It's something very few alive today have ever experienced.
No, you can’t. Not without interviewing the people who have been involved.
Although we all know how Trump feels about his staff testifying under oath, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Correct. Trump doesn't allow his staff to entertain the commies and their witch hunts. They have more important things to do than play games.
So we will never know the truth. Only what Trump tells us. And he’s never exaggerate or lie, right?
Right?
Trump underestimated the impact early on, as did Pelosi and Cuomo. Should they be removed from office?
Pelosi went to Chinatown on Feb 25th. She encouraged people to go there. Shouldn’t she have been practicing social distancing?
Doesn’t bother you because she is a Dimm. If Trump had done it you would lose your mind.
The first stay at home order in the country was March 17th, in the Bay Area. At the time seen as a provocative move. So, who cares about February 24th (not 25th)?
Trump following about 45 other countries closed down travel from China (though the ban was looked more like swiss cheese) and I guess you're saying he overreacted?
1 death, great context dude.
However, our response did not do so. We didn’t have the testing. We didn’t have the tracking. We didn’t quarantine.
The power to quarantine anybody is in the hands of the CDC.
The CDC is an agency of the executive branch. That power comes directly from Trump.
No it does not. He has to issue the order to quarantine, but the decision to do so comes from the CDC. From the CDC website:
Federal Law
The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.
The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC
Isolation and quarantine help protect the public by preventing exposure to people who have or may have a contagious disease. Page content includes the regulatory authority and definitions of isolation and quarantine.www.cdc.gov
That’s the unitary executive theory, anyway. One which William Barr has used to justify various unusual actions by the president in the past.
Remember when Trump claimed he was the chief law enforcement officer of the country? He’s not. He does not indict people. He does not prosecute people. That authority lies with the AG.
Unless you happen to adhere to the strict unitary executive theory, in which case the AG’s authority is derived solely from the president and he therefore has the authority to order investigations, end prosecutions etc.
And Barr claims this:
Barr: Russian Collusion Probe Into Trump "One Of The Greatest Travesties In American History"
Attorney General said the FBI's Russian collusion counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign was one of the "greatest travesties in American history." In an interview with FNC's Laura Ingraham, Barr said the investigation was started "without any basis" and what happened after the...
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