Healthcare cost a crime

[EdwardBaiamonte]

reforms have to be continued in order to learn how to help every American citizen to have the chance at life.

60 million Chinese slowly starved to death before capitalism gave them a chance to live!! So why do liberals want them and us to go back to liberal socialism??

Is it because liberals are stupid or just like en masse starvation?? What other explanation is possible?? Seriously??

 

[beagle9]

Is this how it all rolls ?

1. The government gets involved, as the poor are many and have no way to pay for their services most of the time when they fall ill now, and this is where the government kicks in and pays for them right ?

2. The hospitals and Doctors know all to well that the government is a sea of money with no end to it, and that it is mis-managed to the hilt as well, all due to it's huge size and confusion created where as (the left branch knows not what the right branch is doing most of the time), and that is (perfect) for the hospitals and doctors right (sometimes even getting paid twice for the same bills) when no one is looking of course ?

3. The hospitals then charge the government extreme high prices for those who have no coverage, and can't afford any, for example they charged $62,000 dollars for a stay of 4 days in the hospital, in which amounts to what $15,000 dollars a day for one person? We know a woman that this just happened to, so yes this is reality & truth speaking here. This bill was submitted on her behalf, and the government paid it all for her.

4. Now the hospitals and doctors don't want to show inconsistancy by what they bill right, so if a person comes in to have the same thing done (but they have insurance), well what to do, what to do is what they (the hospitals and doctors) must say right? They then charge the insurance company the extreme bill as well, because they don't want the government to think they are killing them while walking softly with the private carriers now would they ?

5. Now the private carriers see this problem of extreme charging, so they have meetings with the doctors billing offices and hospital billing offices, in order to protest these high and unrealistic charges on behalf of their clients and their bottom lines for what is being charged them, but they lose most of the time but why? It's because the hospitals and doctors are not going to risk not getting their extreme payments from the government who is not subjected to the private markets and it's up's and down's that are found so volital within the markets, so they stick with the charge to the private insurance carrier at all cost, in order to show consistancy with the government charges in which they had charged the government for.

6. Now what does the private insurance carrier do next ? They do the only thing they can do, and that is to roll that cost down upon their clients in higher premiums, deductibles, monthly rates and so on, in hopes that they will handle it all somehow, because they can't compete against a cash cow government, who is flooding the healthcare market with taxpayer money at extreme levels that are being paid out in regards to those now who donot have health insurance, and are yet using the industry with no hopes of paying at all in most cases, especially without government assistance of some kind being involved.

7. Ok, so (IMHO) we are not handling it as a people or a workforce (these charges), so government needs to join with the private carriers in learning what is right to pay, and what is not right to pay when it comes to these hospitals and doctors, in which have become use to sucking off of the governments tit for their milk now, and without any or much feed back from the cash cow they have been sucking off of anymore (the government).

The private industry has been crippled by this situation I'm thinking, and is still being crippled more and more by it, so instead of the government seeing it's wrong, and then somehow correcting it, they would rather gobble up the private industry, and then control it all, but then where will this leave the tax payers who will be footing the entire bill in the end ??? Will the hospitals and doctors yell hip hip hooray in the end ?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Will the hospitals and doctors yell hip hip hooray in the end ?

dear, at this point we don't even know if BO care will be repealed in the end. But, we do know that under capitalism doctors have to post their prices and face customers shopping with their own money. That would not make them yell hooray.

Over your head, liberal??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I see so when you are bleeding out you will go to the doctors and ask them the price and cost to make sure they are not over priced and if they are you will then prorly leave to go find another doctor to safe your live.....
thanks for again showing are stupid/ignorant you are

dear, in a capitalist system prices are posted well in advance of your need to make a purchase decision. Could a car company hide its prices and then decide what to charge based on how badly you needed the car?

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow? what other explanation is possible?

 

[Flopper]

HEALTHCARE COST A CRIME
against humanity.


I went into ER with a temperature of 102 with a bladder infection. I was given a urinalysis, a chest X-ray (?), IV antibiotics and sent home with Vicodin (I did not ask for) and received a copy of charges to Medicare for $3,965.50. I had to take Remsa, I live a block away from the hospital and the charges was $1000. I noticed these costs had gone up about 25% in the last few years.
I went to a hospital affiliated doctor which is part of a hospital network of doctors and Medicare was charged $288.00 for a urinalysis and was told I still had the infection and I had to go back to the hospital infusion center and receive 10 days of IV antibiotics. I wanted a second opinion and had another urinalysis and it came out negative.
Am I being charged for medical care Illegal Aliens get from this hospital and not paying? Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance is paying for medical care for Illegal Aliens? How much is it costing for hospital to deliver anchor babies? Illegal Aliens need to be deported to bring down the cost of medical care and save Medicare and Medicaid.
If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass. And Illegal Aliens deported. How are we going to pay for healthcare amnesty will bring.? Otherwise Medicare and Medicaid is really screwed. And if doctors want to opt out they can move their practice to Mexico or go to work at Wal-Mart. I got the feeling they will join in and take a cut in pay instead of no pay at all. Medicare and Medicaid is a big part of their paycheck and they will not be able to survive on private insurance unless they raise their rates and their clients will not go for that and join universal healthcare.
What do we care more about? Private insurance companies staying in business or affordable healthcare for all Americans?

I think my doctor will survive, however he might have to sell his Porsche. The doctors I know, are not that opposed to the new healthcare law.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass.

Actually universal socialism makes things so expensive no one can afford anything.

Did you notice that the second China switched to capitalism they stopped starving to death and could afford everything?

A liberals will lack the IQ to notice the most obvious things even when they are in the papers everyday.

 

[eflatminor]

What if you cannot afford the plan...?

Tell your elected representatives in Washington and the bureaucrats in your state's Department of Insurance to STOP meddling with the healthcare and health insurance industries. The reason insurance plans are so expensive is because of all the required coverage forced upon insurers by the do-gooders, the obscene regulations foisted upon the healthcare providers, and the cronyism benefiting attorneys, allowing them to file all kinds of lawsuits without every having to worry about paying anything if they lose. Healthcare and health insurance are possibly the most over regulated, priced controlled...centrally planned...industries in the country. This limits competition, minimizes creativity and innovation, keeps new competitors from entering the market, and crushes any attempts to meet customer demand without all the bells and whistles politicians think are required. THAT is why it's so expensive.

 

[beagle9]

Will the hospitals and doctors yell hip hip hooray in the end ?

dear, at this point we don't even know if BO care will be repealed in the end. But, we do know that under capitalism doctors have to post their prices and face customers shopping with their own money. That would not make them yell hooray.

Over your head, liberal??

You wish that you knew me, but you havn't a clue, and I like it like that... B )

 

[beagle9]

If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass.

Actually universal socialism makes things so expensive no one can afford anything.

Did you notice that the second China switched to capitalism they stopped starving to death and could afford everything?

A liberals will lack the IQ to notice the most obvious things even when they are in the papers everyday.

China switched to capitalism eh? They are no longer communist eh?

That's a good one!

 

[starcraftzzz]

Every example of free market health care has failed,

If so why are you so afraid to provide us with your best example of free market failure???

What does your fear tell you???

Lets see Medicare advantage, Medicare part D health care from 1990-2010; deregulation of rate paying schemes.. so forth and so forth there has been zeo examples of free market reforms in health care working

 

[starcraftzzz]

If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass.

Actually universal socialism makes things so expensive no one can afford anything.

Did you notice that the second China switched to capitalism they stopped starving to death and could afford everything?

A liberals will lack the IQ to notice the most obvious things even when they are in the papers everyday.

Is that why socialized health care costs 150% less, socialized utilities cost 25% less, socialized retirement costs 25% less, socialized insurance costs 40% less, socialized prisons cost 5% less I could go on but the point is proven. So plz come back when you can say something other then "you have a low IQ, socil;izm is bad"

 

[Flopper]

If we ever going to get the cost of healthcare down we will have to go universal healthcare where everyone put in the pot. Works for Mass.

Actually universal socialism makes things so expensive no one can afford anything.

Did you notice that the second China switched to capitalism they stopped starving to death and could afford everything?

A liberals will lack the IQ to notice the most obvious things even when they are in the papers everyday.

Is that why socialized health care costs 150% less, socialized utilities cost 25% less, socialized retirement costs 25% less, socialized insurance costs 40% less, socialized prisons cost 5% less I could go on but the point is proven. So plz come back when you can say something other then "you have a low IQ, socil;izm is bad"

Extremist on the Right and Left see the choice is between Socialism and Capitalism, however the correct choice should be both. Most segments of an economy function well as capitalist enterprises provided there is adequate regulation but some segments work best if operated by or controlled by the government. This is how 99% of the economies of the world function.

 

[eflatminor]

...but some segments work best if operated by or controlled by the government.

I could not disagree more with that statement. It is true that certain functions in society must be provided by government as required by the Constitution (military, courts, etc). However, there is no segment of the economy that works "best" operated by government.

Like all monopolies or near monopolies enforced by law, government controlled segments of the economy have no impetus to innovate, no competition keep them sharp, and therefore no reason to keep costs to a minimum and no concerns about poor results. Central planning must take place where the Constitution requires it. Outside of those enumerated powers, central planning should ONLY be considered where it increases competition..."operated or controlled by the government" NEVER increases competition and for that, customers and taxpayers suffer. Just look at the out of control costs and crap results in those segments of the economy in which the government is most involved and compare those to segments where more of a free market reigns. There is no comparison.

As a last example, I can't understand how anyone could call for government control after what we learned from deregulation of the airline industry. It's so much better after the feds go out of the way. The same would be true of education, healthcare, insurance, etc.

 

[Douger]

After reading all of this it appears murkins all have low I.Q.'s.

 

[Douger]

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[Douger]

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[beagle9]

...but some segments work best if operated by or controlled by the government.

I could not disagree more with that statement. It is true that certain functions in society must be provided by government as required by the Constitution (military, courts, etc). However, there is no segment of the economy that works "best" operated by government.

Like all monopolies or near monopolies enforced by law, government controlled segments of the economy have no impetus to innovate, no competition keep them sharp, and therefore no reason to keep costs to a minimum and no concerns about poor results. Central planning must take place where the Constitution requires it. Outside of those enumerated powers, central planning should ONLY be considered where it increases competition..."operated or controlled by the government" NEVER increases competition and for that, customers and taxpayers suffer. Just look at the out of control costs and crap results in those segments of the economy in which the government is most involved and compare those to segments where more of a free market reigns. There is no comparison.

As a last example, I can't understand how anyone could call for government control after what we learned from deregulation of the airline industry. It's so much better after the feds go out of the way. The same would be true of education, healthcare, insurance, etc.

Non-government control for most of the sectors in our system is good, where as yes of course I would definitely agree with this for sure, but government regulation or the enforcement of laws against bad capitalism is always a must, where as the government should only operate as a top cop, and then back off once the problem is resolved, where as if abuse is present and/or running wild, then address that abuse, remedy it, and then back off.

The problem with the government, is that it over extends it's stay in a situation, and thus it begins to bring about or breed dependency once this happens, where as it is looked to by the dependents created out of such a situation as an eternal safehouse, that is easily abused due to it's overgrown size and mostly un-managable rediculous enept and ignorant approach to running anything outside of it's own limited skill sets.

The government is power hungry, just like any other, and it is up to us as citizens to control it because of that respect, and not let it begin to control us in that respect.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

but government regulation or the enforcement of laws against bad capitalism is always a must, .

capitalism changed 10 million years of history in 200 because it is self regulating with 300 million regulators. If someone is selling a bad product 300 million consumers will figure it out and spread the word. If one bureaucrat is in charge and cant figure it out the entire nation of 300 million gets the bad product.

This is why everything was bad in the USSR and Red China and Cuba still. Freedom, responsibility and capitalism work. Too bad a liberal will lack the IQ to understand these basics

 

[beagle9]

but government regulation or the enforcement of laws against bad capitalism is always a must, .

capitalism changed 10 million years of history in 200 because it is self regulating with 300 million regulators. If someone is selling a bad product 300 million consumers will figure it out and spread the word. If one bureaucrat is in charge and cant figure it out the entire nation of 300 million gets the bad product.

This is why everything was bad in the USSR and Red China and Cuba still. Freedom, responsibility and capitalism work. Too bad a liberal will lack the IQ to understand these basics

Yes, but the self regulating ingrediant has been lost amongst many who did choose to self regulate, just as they want it to remain this way always, and I agree with that yes, but they are sadly losing their morals and turning to greed (upsetting the apple cart), and doing it in an immoral & greedy way more and more these days, instead of remaining the way that it used to be amongst these freedom fighting self regulators in the past, where as we all agreed that self-regulation was and should be always the best way, but due to the fall of self regulation in so many ways now, the government becomes more and more involved as a result of this fall in which it has seen amongst these people. People who are supposed to be leaders and stewarts of their gains in a more balanced and decent manor (sharing the wealth more wisely), so who is to blame other than the greedy that had infiltrated the entire roost these days, and sadly so wrecklacely as to hap hazzardly breaking as many eggs as they could in the process along the way, and sadly leaving the roost in total disaray after all is said and done ?