Health Insurance Premiums on the ACA, North Carolina numbers

Wait wait wait wait.....a person making 125k a year will see a $24000 per year INCREASE? So what are their premiums now, if the INCREASE is 24k. Who the hell making 125k per year is spending over $30,000 per year in Healthcare premiums?? Are they having solid gold hip replacements or something? Good grief. And how much are these subsidies that people are getting? How much were the ACA premiums before the enhanced tax credits??

Im not sure i buy that one. If that is their increase, then the ACA is freaking more expensive than private insurance.
That is not an unreasonable premium for a couple of that age, especially for a silver plan. Maybe a $1500 deductible and co-pays for office and specialist visits. My company and I paid that much In premium 25 years ago. Albeit a "gold" level plan.100% coverage, no deductibles, no co-pays. The card was black, insured by Mass Mutual, didn't even know they did health insurance.
 
That is not an unreasonable premium for a couple of that age, especially for a silver plan. Maybe a $1500 deductible and co-pays for office and specialist visits. My company and I paid that much In premium 25 years ago. Albeit a "gold" level plan.100% coverage, no deductibles, no co-pays. The card was black, insured by Mass Mutual, didn't even know they did health insurance.
These days, a family of 4 for a self employed person, even $2000 per month would be on the upper price range for insurance premiums. You are suggesting a $24000 increase which would suggest that their premiums are already...$30,000? You would be looking at $50,000 per year insurance premiums?

Im just saying a $24000 per year increase doesnt seem realistic at all, not for a family of 4.
 
Wait wait wait wait.....a person making 125k a year will see a $24000 per year INCREASE? So what are their premiums now, if the INCREASE is 24k. Who the hell making 125k per year is spending over $30,000 per year in Healthcare premiums?? Are they having solid gold hip replacements or something? Good grief. And how much are these subsidies that people are getting? How much were the ACA premiums before the enhanced tax credits??

Im not sure i buy that one. If that is their increase, then the ACA is freaking more expensive than private insurance.
You probably have no idea what your employer pays for your health insurance.
 
You will have to look for a spell to find a thread so full of shit....Yeah OP, I'm talking about you and Tim the Parrot.
You can’t make a single argument that private health insurers can deliver lower premiums or manage costs.

Pay more, get less. The right wing likes it that way.

That’s why you keep defending the world’s most expensive health care, and shilling for the medical industrial complex.
 
You probably have no idea what your employer pays for your health insurance.

you weren't talking employer insurance, you were talking a family of 4, self employed making $125,000 per year.
 
You can’t make a single argument that private health insurers can deliver lower premiums or manage costs.

Pay more, get less. The right wing likes it that way.

That’s why you keep defending the world’s most expensive health care, and shilling for the medical industrial complex.
Tim the Parrot says what?
 

So the numbers are starting to come out and they sure are eye numbing.

I mean a young single person, 30 years old making 25 grand a year. He will see his premium rise from $50 bucks a month to $150. Might think that doesn't sound bad until you consider it is almost five percent of his yearly income.

Now, family of four making 60 grand a year. And I got to wonder, how can someone support a family of four on sixty grand? It is going to be tight. Hell, two teen boys and thirty percent of that sixty grand is going for food. They will see a premium increase from $250 a month to $600 a month. Dee Yam. $4200 a year more. For this family, it is going to be painful.

But now the big one. Middle aged couple, 45. Maybe new empty nest, kids all grown and raised. At the height of their careers. I am thinking self-employed plumbers, electricians. They make $125,000 a year. Which wasn't that much when the kids were in college, but now, grandkids coming, it is enough to live comfortably and do a little spoiling, after all, the house is paid for. Although that $885 month health insurance premium was hard, at your age, it was a bargain. Now, $2,918 month. Over $24,000 a year increase, over two grand a damn month.

If anything, this will probably be the death of the silver plans. They will descend into a death spiral. There will be some substitution, high deductible Bronze plans. But millions will just become frustrated and leave the risk pool. The three examples above the precise demographic you want IN the risk pool.

And to close this out, in researching this increase through BCBS I found that medical inflation, this year, THIS YEAR, will exceed any level since before the ACA--yes, Obamacare. So any claim Republicans make about "fixing" anything clearly means nothing, and any claim about the ACA causing massive health care inflation is comical.
Yeah.

Obamacare sucks.

We told uou that.

You weren't listening?
 
You will have to look for a spell to find a thread so full of shit....Yeah OP, I'm talking about you and Tim the Parrot.
You will look forever to find a fact based post, or any sign of factual evidence from the FOS right wingers here.

All of you condemn the ACA.

not one of you can make a factual basis for your claim,. Which is very evident on this thread.

Pay more, get less. You want the most expensive health insurance possible, with copays, deductibles and payout caps.

That’s what you have repeatedly defended.

Oh, and if you actually think that eliminating these subsidies won’t affect EVERY insured American, you’re in for a very unpleasant surprise.

Just remember, it’s what you want.
 
You will look forever to find a fact based post, or any sign of factual evidence from the FOS right wingers here.

All of you condemn the ACA.

not one of you can make a factual basis for your claim,. Which is very evident on this thread.

Pay more, get less. You want the most expensive health insurance possible, with copays, deductibles and payout caps.

That’s what you have repeatedly defended.

Oh, and if you actually think that eliminating these subsidies won’t affect EVERY insured American, you’re in for a very unpleasant surprise.

Just remember, it’s what you want.
The payout caps, that is the one that really gets me and it is an integral part of the Republican "plan", bring the caps on benefits back.

Many people have health insurance provided by their employer, and for most large employers, well they are what is called "self-insured". Sure, you have an insurance card with some company name on it, BCBS, Athene, Humana, whatever. But those companies are mere administrators. Up to a certain point, they pay all the costs, and of course, they get all the premiums. But, at some point, the "cap" so to speak, they pay nothing and the company pays. They call that self-insurance.

How is caps on individual insurance any different. The insurance company pays the cost, to a point, then you pay all the cost. Is that not also self-insurance? Is that really want we want?
 
I think you may be clinically retarded. He posted a range of examples from very low income to higher incomes. I have no idea what you are complaining about but I suspect it is because you dont know how to read maybe?
 

So the numbers are starting to come out and they sure are eye numbing.

I mean a young single person, 30 years old making 25 grand a year. He will see his premium rise from $50 bucks a month to $150. Might think that doesn't sound bad until you consider it is almost five percent of his yearly income.
Who much does she spend on Starbucks?
 
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Sounds to me as if you are as ignorant as the OP.
No. Sounds like I know how to read. If you want I can help.

Can you read this? One big word, one acronym, and a word you might not recognize.

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Sounds to me as if you are as ignorant as the OP.
No, you are the ignorant one, and it is not surprising. You act as if there are no 30 year olds making 25 grand a year in North Carolina. That is just stupid. So, the average is sixty grand, big damn whoop. Sure, I got kids, and they have friends, and they are under 30, they make sixty grand a year. Warehouse jobs, Fed ex drivers. Hard work. My oldest son, he is 30, makes three times that much. I am talking the sixty, not the twenty five. Don't you think that affects the average?

My OP cited real numbers that will be a reality for thousands of North Carolinians. You can ***** about those numbers, you can pretend they are not real, but they are, and there will be real consequences, none of them good for the overall landscape.
 
Wait wait wait wait.....a person making 125k a year will see a $24000 per year INCREASE? So what are their premiums now, if the INCREASE is 24k. Who the hell making 125k per year is spending over $30,000 per year in Healthcare premiums?? Are they having solid gold hip replacements or something? Good grief. And how much are these subsidies that people are getting? How much were the ACA premiums before the enhanced tax credits??

Im not sure i buy that one. If that is their increase, then the ACA is freaking more expensive than private insurance.

They will still be capped at 8% of income is my understanding of how that works.
 
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