Health Care Should Be FREE! (In the U.S.)

[Conservative65]

Free to who.....???

Or do you really plan to put a gun to a doctor's head and tell him to work without getting paid ?

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, give me some stories of doctors there who have a gun put to their head. Or work without getting paid.

That was the question.....free to who.

If they are getting paid...who is paying them ?

What a great fucking idea!!! Let's PAY people to go to college! And the better they do, the more they get paid! You can bet your ass that if I got paid to do well in highschool, I would have done so.

Dear krypto
OKAY if you believe in this, start a company that raises money for scholarships, internships
and student loans and grants. Feature students you think deserve funding.
You could have a million dollar site, combining gofundme and those audition contest / shark tank shows.

Get universities behind you. Grant foundations.
Big companies looking to hire rising stars. Go for it!

I can't even afford to eat very well. And after a few weeks, I am usually broke. Also, I often have to ride a bus if I need to go anywhere. Why don't you just suggest to me that I wave a magic fucking wand. After all, doesn't that work for everybody?

I didn't wave a magic wand. I went out and did something to earn what I have. You, on the other hand, demand someone else go out and earn so it can be taken in order to provide to you.

No one, and I mean no one, owes you a damn thing.

I suggest you get off your ass and spend half as much time doing something to better yourself as you do demanding someone else provide to you.

 

[Conservative65]

And the evidence we have that any Internet anonym has the qualifications to be paid for his "expertise" on this topic is -?

You can argue any point into infinity. Maybe I'm not qualified to do that. But universal health care isn't rocket science. But even then, I did come up with a plan for a faster than light space drive many years ago. But JPL wasn't interested.

That's a topic for a thread in a different forum. For this forum, you should explain how you would guarantee Americans access to quality healthcare. Go for it!

Easy!!!!! Tooo fucking easy!!!! Just secede to either the Netherlands, Japan, Canadia, England, France or Germany. Let them run things. They already have it up and running in their countries. All they need to do is extend their blanket of wise rule over us worthless dipshit Americans. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

 

[Conservative65]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Dear krypto
As Avatar4321 explained before, since health care requires material goods and services (and also some systems of education unless you have free lectures sponsored at existing sites that don't require any additional overhead) then "making this free" would involve "involuntary servitude" or making people give their labor for free. Now, I would add, there is nothing wrong with freely given charity, that is CHOSEN by the giver. But to demand this through govt by force of law amounts to enslavement, because it relies on "somebody's labor."

Now, if YOU are willing to invest in building a free school or free clinic, YOU can choose to give away your time, labor and investment so you and others can enjoy a so-called "free school or free hospital."
You would in effect be "bartering out" your contributions with others doing the same
(warning: all the free schools and clinics I've known that tried this experiment HAD to have a way of monitoring who was giving in and taking out, or else free loaders would keep taking and burning out the people running it)

What I would add to the model to make this work
1. microlending, or agreements to lend or cover the costs of a student's education or a patient's care
in exchange for paying it back later so the next person can benefit. There is a medical program in Bethesda MD that used to work on this basis: medical education was covered for students who agreed to serve a set amount of years working in public HMO providing services to the public.
For microlending and business training to pay back loans and become independent, here are links to the Grameen Foundation/Grameen Bank and the NACA network for refinancing homes at affordable rates:
Grameen Foundation | Connecting the World's Poor to Their Potential
facebook title

2. independent currency or a barter database to keep track of credits paid in and out
similar to registering for school and having to earn credits to graduate,
why not set up systems of monitoring how much labor people invest in building a school,
or a hospital or housing program, etc. Then you can have credits toward your education.
Why not have work-study programs where some of the work does generate revenue.
See Paul Glover's system of labor-backed currency Introducing HOUR Money

3. if you REALLY REALLY want to go advanced, I would recommend organizing
communities to invest in owning and building around their own schools, clinics, even police and teachers unions to govern their districts as independently as possible, cut the crime rates, and invest the difference in taxes saved into education and health care (instead of paying up to 50K a person per year for prisons) Since the labor and resources needed to PROVIDE education and health care "have to come from somewhere" then the two incentives I would offer to organize such resources are (1) giving people tax breaks for investing or lending capital, or giving people control of management for buying out districts to set this up so all the local taxes go into supporting the services for that district and it is run as a self-sustaining economy and self-governed community. (2) using RICO or related laws to claim "restitution for past crimes, abuses or violations" and setting up the damages and debts owed to people or communities who suffered civil or criminal wrongs to be "paid back" by crediting, reimbursing, investing and/or transferring or selling shares in ownership of districts and programs, so that these become the solutions and corrections to the wrongs done to those people or communities.

This is the closest you may get to providing "free education and health care" by funding facilities and programs instead of wasting billions on prisons to cover only inmates using resources that could cover the greater public.

http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Earned Amnesty
music video for Sustainable Campus converting sweatshop labor to workstudy jobs

Blah blah, blahblahblah, blah fucking blah. Other developed countries have free health care. And free college. None if it is due to "involuntary servitude." At least, not in a general sense. Most of any society that has ever existed is based on involuntary servitude. (But especially our dog eat dog capitalist system) If you don't work, you can't pay off that mortgage on your house or that loan on your car. Also, I wasn't in the military because I wanted to be there. Like most people, I just needed a job. Even if it was basically selling myself into slavery. Only the wealthy are free from involuntary servitude.

As to how to make free medical care or free college work, all you need to do is see how other countries do it. Though granted, they don't have to put up with the level of multiethnic bullshit that we do. And that is probably despite letting so many muslim invaders into their countries. Also, those other countries probably have slightly different approaches to doing what they do. All the U.S. has to do is see the various ways they do it and pick a plan that is best for the U.S. Monkey see, monkey do.

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

 

[krypto]

You don't know anything about me. When I was about 8 or 9 years old, I used to ride by bike for miles most days to most of the bars in my area of town to shine shoes. Later, when I needed real employment, jobs were just about impossible to find in the part of Michigan that I lived in. Over the years, I worked on two occasions in Indaina. I worked on a couple of occasions in Texas. I also worked in Florida where I got into an accident that wasn't my fault and got soundly and difinitively fucked by the insurance company of the guy who caused the accident. That I only survived by a miracle. Unfortunately, on one occasion I went to Virginia and ended up joining the navy.

Keep in mind, all this traveling around is especially hard on a poor person. In one of the jobs I had, I actually had somebody in a group of workers ask me not to work so hard. Apparently it was making them look bad. So you can take your 'worthless freeloader" bullshit and shove it up your ass sideways.

If you've worked all those situation you say and are still poor, sounds to me as if you aren't offering anything in the way of skills. That's your fault, freeloader. That you support someone like me being forced to provide things for people they should be providing themselves proves it.

Without laborers like me, parasitic freeloader aristocrat scum like you couldn't survive.

Robots will replace you very soon

Actually, from what I heard, some places have been replacing robots with humans. In a technical sense, they are far less complicated, and costly, to build and maintain.

Depends on the human. Many maintain themselves and provide for themselves what they should be providing for themselves. Too many, you being just one example, think whatever someone wants should be given to them even if it costs someone else that provides to themselves more. In other words, there are two types of people in this country. Those that earn/work for a living and those that are freeloaders/vote for a living.

Benjamin Franklin used to be an indentured servant/apprentice. I don't think he was given much to "provide for himself." There used to be negroid slaves in this country who were sometimes worked to death. Though they worked hard, there wan't much they could provide for themselves. There used to be coal miners in this country who were paid in company script. To get the things they needed, they had to go ever deeper into debt to the coal company. Virtually ensuring their continued slavery. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

"The more that things change, the more they stay the same." You can shove your "earn/work for a living" so far up your ass that you would need a dentist to see the other end of it.

 

[krypto]

And the evidence we have that any Internet anonym has the qualifications to be paid for his "expertise" on this topic is -?

You can argue any point into infinity. Maybe I'm not qualified to do that. But universal health care isn't rocket science. But even then, I did come up with a plan for a faster than light space drive many years ago. But JPL wasn't interested.

That's a topic for a thread in a different forum. For this forum, you should explain how you would guarantee Americans access to quality healthcare. Go for it!

Easy!!!!! Tooo fucking easy!!!! Just secede to either the Netherlands, Japan, Canadia, England, France or Germany. Let them run things. They already have it up and running in their countries. All they need to do is extend their blanket of wise rule over us worthless dipshit Americans. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

 

[Conservative65]

And the evidence we have that any Internet anonym has the qualifications to be paid for his "expertise" on this topic is -?

You can argue any point into infinity. Maybe I'm not qualified to do that. But universal health care isn't rocket science. But even then, I did come up with a plan for a faster than light space drive many years ago. But JPL wasn't interested.

That's a topic for a thread in a different forum. For this forum, you should explain how you would guarantee Americans access to quality healthcare. Go for it!

Easy!!!!! Tooo fucking easy!!!! Just secede to either the Netherlands, Japan, Canadia, England, France or Germany. Let them run things. They already have it up and running in their countries. All they need to do is extend their blanket of wise rule over us worthless dipshit Americans. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

Who is paying the doctors?

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Dear krypto
As Avatar4321 explained before, since health care requires material goods and services (and also some systems of education unless you have free lectures sponsored at existing sites that don't require any additional overhead) then "making this free" would involve "involuntary servitude" or making people give their labor for free. Now, I would add, there is nothing wrong with freely given charity, that is CHOSEN by the giver. But to demand this through govt by force of law amounts to enslavement, because it relies on "somebody's labor."

Now, if YOU are willing to invest in building a free school or free clinic, YOU can choose to give away your time, labor and investment so you and others can enjoy a so-called "free school or free hospital."
You would in effect be "bartering out" your contributions with others doing the same
(warning: all the free schools and clinics I've known that tried this experiment HAD to have a way of monitoring who was giving in and taking out, or else free loaders would keep taking and burning out the people running it)

What I would add to the model to make this work
1. microlending, or agreements to lend or cover the costs of a student's education or a patient's care
in exchange for paying it back later so the next person can benefit. There is a medical program in Bethesda MD that used to work on this basis: medical education was covered for students who agreed to serve a set amount of years working in public HMO providing services to the public.
For microlending and business training to pay back loans and become independent, here are links to the Grameen Foundation/Grameen Bank and the NACA network for refinancing homes at affordable rates:
Grameen Foundation | Connecting the World's Poor to Their Potential
facebook title

2. independent currency or a barter database to keep track of credits paid in and out
similar to registering for school and having to earn credits to graduate,
why not set up systems of monitoring how much labor people invest in building a school,
or a hospital or housing program, etc. Then you can have credits toward your education.
Why not have work-study programs where some of the work does generate revenue.
See Paul Glover's system of labor-backed currency Introducing HOUR Money

3. if you REALLY REALLY want to go advanced, I would recommend organizing
communities to invest in owning and building around their own schools, clinics, even police and teachers unions to govern their districts as independently as possible, cut the crime rates, and invest the difference in taxes saved into education and health care (instead of paying up to 50K a person per year for prisons) Since the labor and resources needed to PROVIDE education and health care "have to come from somewhere" then the two incentives I would offer to organize such resources are (1) giving people tax breaks for investing or lending capital, or giving people control of management for buying out districts to set this up so all the local taxes go into supporting the services for that district and it is run as a self-sustaining economy and self-governed community. (2) using RICO or related laws to claim "restitution for past crimes, abuses or violations" and setting up the damages and debts owed to people or communities who suffered civil or criminal wrongs to be "paid back" by crediting, reimbursing, investing and/or transferring or selling shares in ownership of districts and programs, so that these become the solutions and corrections to the wrongs done to those people or communities.

This is the closest you may get to providing "free education and health care" by funding facilities and programs instead of wasting billions on prisons to cover only inmates using resources that could cover the greater public.

http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Earned Amnesty
music video for Sustainable Campus converting sweatshop labor to workstudy jobs

Blah blah, blahblahblah, blah fucking blah. Other developed countries have free health care. And free college. None if it is due to "involuntary servitude." At least, not in a general sense. Most of any society that has ever existed is based on involuntary servitude. (But especially our dog eat dog capitalist system) If you don't work, you can't pay off that mortgage on your house or that loan on your car. Also, I wasn't in the military because I wanted to be there. Like most people, I just needed a job. Even if it was basically selling myself into slavery. Only the wealthy are free from involuntary servitude.

As to how to make free medical care or free college work, all you need to do is see how other countries do it. Though granted, they don't have to put up with the level of multiethnic bullshit that we do. And that is probably despite letting so many muslim invaders into their countries. Also, those other countries probably have slightly different approaches to doing what they do. All the U.S. has to do is see the various ways they do it and pick a plan that is best for the U.S. Monkey see, monkey do.

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

Just fuck off and die. Do it now!

 

[Conservative65]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Dear krypto
As Avatar4321 explained before, since health care requires material goods and services (and also some systems of education unless you have free lectures sponsored at existing sites that don't require any additional overhead) then "making this free" would involve "involuntary servitude" or making people give their labor for free. Now, I would add, there is nothing wrong with freely given charity, that is CHOSEN by the giver. But to demand this through govt by force of law amounts to enslavement, because it relies on "somebody's labor."

Now, if YOU are willing to invest in building a free school or free clinic, YOU can choose to give away your time, labor and investment so you and others can enjoy a so-called "free school or free hospital."
You would in effect be "bartering out" your contributions with others doing the same
(warning: all the free schools and clinics I've known that tried this experiment HAD to have a way of monitoring who was giving in and taking out, or else free loaders would keep taking and burning out the people running it)

What I would add to the model to make this work
1. microlending, or agreements to lend or cover the costs of a student's education or a patient's care
in exchange for paying it back later so the next person can benefit. There is a medical program in Bethesda MD that used to work on this basis: medical education was covered for students who agreed to serve a set amount of years working in public HMO providing services to the public.
For microlending and business training to pay back loans and become independent, here are links to the Grameen Foundation/Grameen Bank and the NACA network for refinancing homes at affordable rates:
Grameen Foundation | Connecting the World's Poor to Their Potential
facebook title

2. independent currency or a barter database to keep track of credits paid in and out
similar to registering for school and having to earn credits to graduate,
why not set up systems of monitoring how much labor people invest in building a school,
or a hospital or housing program, etc. Then you can have credits toward your education.
Why not have work-study programs where some of the work does generate revenue.
See Paul Glover's system of labor-backed currency Introducing HOUR Money

3. if you REALLY REALLY want to go advanced, I would recommend organizing
communities to invest in owning and building around their own schools, clinics, even police and teachers unions to govern their districts as independently as possible, cut the crime rates, and invest the difference in taxes saved into education and health care (instead of paying up to 50K a person per year for prisons) Since the labor and resources needed to PROVIDE education and health care "have to come from somewhere" then the two incentives I would offer to organize such resources are (1) giving people tax breaks for investing or lending capital, or giving people control of management for buying out districts to set this up so all the local taxes go into supporting the services for that district and it is run as a self-sustaining economy and self-governed community. (2) using RICO or related laws to claim "restitution for past crimes, abuses or violations" and setting up the damages and debts owed to people or communities who suffered civil or criminal wrongs to be "paid back" by crediting, reimbursing, investing and/or transferring or selling shares in ownership of districts and programs, so that these become the solutions and corrections to the wrongs done to those people or communities.

This is the closest you may get to providing "free education and health care" by funding facilities and programs instead of wasting billions on prisons to cover only inmates using resources that could cover the greater public.

http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Earned Amnesty
music video for Sustainable Campus converting sweatshop labor to workstudy jobs

Blah blah, blahblahblah, blah fucking blah. Other developed countries have free health care. And free college. None if it is due to "involuntary servitude." At least, not in a general sense. Most of any society that has ever existed is based on involuntary servitude. (But especially our dog eat dog capitalist system) If you don't work, you can't pay off that mortgage on your house or that loan on your car. Also, I wasn't in the military because I wanted to be there. Like most people, I just needed a job. Even if it was basically selling myself into slavery. Only the wealthy are free from involuntary servitude.

As to how to make free medical care or free college work, all you need to do is see how other countries do it. Though granted, they don't have to put up with the level of multiethnic bullshit that we do. And that is probably despite letting so many muslim invaders into their countries. Also, those other countries probably have slightly different approaches to doing what they do. All the U.S. has to do is see the various ways they do it and pick a plan that is best for the U.S. Monkey see, monkey do.

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

Just fuck off and die. Do it now!

When you're man enough to back up that demand, do so. Try it, now and fail.

 

[krypto]

You can argue any point into infinity. Maybe I'm not qualified to do that. But universal health care isn't rocket science. But even then, I did come up with a plan for a faster than light space drive many years ago. But JPL wasn't interested.

That's a topic for a thread in a different forum. For this forum, you should explain how you would guarantee Americans access to quality healthcare. Go for it!

Easy!!!!! Tooo fucking easy!!!! Just secede to either the Netherlands, Japan, Canadia, England, France or Germany. Let them run things. They already have it up and running in their countries. All they need to do is extend their blanket of wise rule over us worthless dipshit Americans. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

Who is paying the doctors?

The government dickwad. The government. They are single payer health care systems. Who is the single payer? The government.

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Dear krypto
As Avatar4321 explained before, since health care requires material goods and services (and also some systems of education unless you have free lectures sponsored at existing sites that don't require any additional overhead) then "making this free" would involve "involuntary servitude" or making people give their labor for free. Now, I would add, there is nothing wrong with freely given charity, that is CHOSEN by the giver. But to demand this through govt by force of law amounts to enslavement, because it relies on "somebody's labor."

Now, if YOU are willing to invest in building a free school or free clinic, YOU can choose to give away your time, labor and investment so you and others can enjoy a so-called "free school or free hospital."
You would in effect be "bartering out" your contributions with others doing the same
(warning: all the free schools and clinics I've known that tried this experiment HAD to have a way of monitoring who was giving in and taking out, or else free loaders would keep taking and burning out the people running it)

What I would add to the model to make this work
1. microlending, or agreements to lend or cover the costs of a student's education or a patient's care
in exchange for paying it back later so the next person can benefit. There is a medical program in Bethesda MD that used to work on this basis: medical education was covered for students who agreed to serve a set amount of years working in public HMO providing services to the public.
For microlending and business training to pay back loans and become independent, here are links to the Grameen Foundation/Grameen Bank and the NACA network for refinancing homes at affordable rates:
Grameen Foundation | Connecting the World's Poor to Their Potential
facebook title

2. independent currency or a barter database to keep track of credits paid in and out
similar to registering for school and having to earn credits to graduate,
why not set up systems of monitoring how much labor people invest in building a school,
or a hospital or housing program, etc. Then you can have credits toward your education.
Why not have work-study programs where some of the work does generate revenue.
See Paul Glover's system of labor-backed currency Introducing HOUR Money

3. if you REALLY REALLY want to go advanced, I would recommend organizing
communities to invest in owning and building around their own schools, clinics, even police and teachers unions to govern their districts as independently as possible, cut the crime rates, and invest the difference in taxes saved into education and health care (instead of paying up to 50K a person per year for prisons) Since the labor and resources needed to PROVIDE education and health care "have to come from somewhere" then the two incentives I would offer to organize such resources are (1) giving people tax breaks for investing or lending capital, or giving people control of management for buying out districts to set this up so all the local taxes go into supporting the services for that district and it is run as a self-sustaining economy and self-governed community. (2) using RICO or related laws to claim "restitution for past crimes, abuses or violations" and setting up the damages and debts owed to people or communities who suffered civil or criminal wrongs to be "paid back" by crediting, reimbursing, investing and/or transferring or selling shares in ownership of districts and programs, so that these become the solutions and corrections to the wrongs done to those people or communities.

This is the closest you may get to providing "free education and health care" by funding facilities and programs instead of wasting billions on prisons to cover only inmates using resources that could cover the greater public.

http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Earned Amnesty
music video for Sustainable Campus converting sweatshop labor to workstudy jobs

Blah blah, blahblahblah, blah fucking blah. Other developed countries have free health care. And free college. None if it is due to "involuntary servitude." At least, not in a general sense. Most of any society that has ever existed is based on involuntary servitude. (But especially our dog eat dog capitalist system) If you don't work, you can't pay off that mortgage on your house or that loan on your car. Also, I wasn't in the military because I wanted to be there. Like most people, I just needed a job. Even if it was basically selling myself into slavery. Only the wealthy are free from involuntary servitude.

As to how to make free medical care or free college work, all you need to do is see how other countries do it. Though granted, they don't have to put up with the level of multiethnic bullshit that we do. And that is probably despite letting so many muslim invaders into their countries. Also, those other countries probably have slightly different approaches to doing what they do. All the U.S. has to do is see the various ways they do it and pick a plan that is best for the U.S. Monkey see, monkey do.

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

Just fuck off and die. Do it now!

When you're man enough to back up that demand, do so. Try it, now and fail.

I have already done it. As far as I am concerned, you have both fucked off and died. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Conservative65]

That's a topic for a thread in a different forum. For this forum, you should explain how you would guarantee Americans access to quality healthcare. Go for it!

Easy!!!!! Tooo fucking easy!!!! Just secede to either the Netherlands, Japan, Canadia, England, France or Germany. Let them run things. They already have it up and running in their countries. All they need to do is extend their blanket of wise rule over us worthless dipshit Americans. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

Who is paying the doctors?

The government dickwad. The government. They are single payer health care systems. Who is the single payer? The government.

Where does the government get the money?

 

[Conservative65]

Dear krypto
As Avatar4321 explained before, since health care requires material goods and services (and also some systems of education unless you have free lectures sponsored at existing sites that don't require any additional overhead) then "making this free" would involve "involuntary servitude" or making people give their labor for free. Now, I would add, there is nothing wrong with freely given charity, that is CHOSEN by the giver. But to demand this through govt by force of law amounts to enslavement, because it relies on "somebody's labor."

Now, if YOU are willing to invest in building a free school or free clinic, YOU can choose to give away your time, labor and investment so you and others can enjoy a so-called "free school or free hospital."
You would in effect be "bartering out" your contributions with others doing the same
(warning: all the free schools and clinics I've known that tried this experiment HAD to have a way of monitoring who was giving in and taking out, or else free loaders would keep taking and burning out the people running it)

What I would add to the model to make this work
1. microlending, or agreements to lend or cover the costs of a student's education or a patient's care
in exchange for paying it back later so the next person can benefit. There is a medical program in Bethesda MD that used to work on this basis: medical education was covered for students who agreed to serve a set amount of years working in public HMO providing services to the public.
For microlending and business training to pay back loans and become independent, here are links to the Grameen Foundation/Grameen Bank and the NACA network for refinancing homes at affordable rates:
Grameen Foundation | Connecting the World's Poor to Their Potential
facebook title

2. independent currency or a barter database to keep track of credits paid in and out
similar to registering for school and having to earn credits to graduate,
why not set up systems of monitoring how much labor people invest in building a school,
or a hospital or housing program, etc. Then you can have credits toward your education.
Why not have work-study programs where some of the work does generate revenue.
See Paul Glover's system of labor-backed currency Introducing HOUR Money

3. if you REALLY REALLY want to go advanced, I would recommend organizing
communities to invest in owning and building around their own schools, clinics, even police and teachers unions to govern their districts as independently as possible, cut the crime rates, and invest the difference in taxes saved into education and health care (instead of paying up to 50K a person per year for prisons) Since the labor and resources needed to PROVIDE education and health care "have to come from somewhere" then the two incentives I would offer to organize such resources are (1) giving people tax breaks for investing or lending capital, or giving people control of management for buying out districts to set this up so all the local taxes go into supporting the services for that district and it is run as a self-sustaining economy and self-governed community. (2) using RICO or related laws to claim "restitution for past crimes, abuses or violations" and setting up the damages and debts owed to people or communities who suffered civil or criminal wrongs to be "paid back" by crediting, reimbursing, investing and/or transferring or selling shares in ownership of districts and programs, so that these become the solutions and corrections to the wrongs done to those people or communities.

This is the closest you may get to providing "free education and health care" by funding facilities and programs instead of wasting billions on prisons to cover only inmates using resources that could cover the greater public.

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Blah blah, blahblahblah, blah fucking blah. Other developed countries have free health care. And free college. None if it is due to "involuntary servitude." At least, not in a general sense. Most of any society that has ever existed is based on involuntary servitude. (But especially our dog eat dog capitalist system) If you don't work, you can't pay off that mortgage on your house or that loan on your car. Also, I wasn't in the military because I wanted to be there. Like most people, I just needed a job. Even if it was basically selling myself into slavery. Only the wealthy are free from involuntary servitude.

As to how to make free medical care or free college work, all you need to do is see how other countries do it. Though granted, they don't have to put up with the level of multiethnic bullshit that we do. And that is probably despite letting so many muslim invaders into their countries. Also, those other countries probably have slightly different approaches to doing what they do. All the U.S. has to do is see the various ways they do it and pick a plan that is best for the U.S. Monkey see, monkey do.

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

Just fuck off and die. Do it now!

When you're man enough to back up that demand, do so. Try it, now and fail.

I have already done it. As far as I am concerned, you have both fucked off and died. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet I'm still here treating you like the worthless piece of shit you are.

If you had done it, I wouldn't be here. As far as I'm concerned, you couldn't do it if you wanted to try.

 

[krypto]

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, give me some stories of doctors there who have a gun put to their head. Or work without getting paid.

That was the question.....free to who.

If they are getting paid...who is paying them ?

What a great fucking idea!!! Let's PAY people to go to college! And the better they do, the more they get paid! You can bet your ass that if I got paid to do well in highschool, I would have done so.

Dear krypto
OKAY if you believe in this, start a company that raises money for scholarships, internships
and student loans and grants. Feature students you think deserve funding.
You could have a million dollar site, combining gofundme and those audition contest / shark tank shows.

Get universities behind you. Grant foundations.
Big companies looking to hire rising stars. Go for it!

I can't even afford to eat very well. And after a few weeks, I am usually broke. Also, I often have to ride a bus if I need to go anywhere. Why don't you just suggest to me that I wave a magic fucking wand. After all, doesn't that work for everybody?

I didn't wave a magic wand. I went out and did something to earn what I have. You, on the other hand, demand someone else go out and earn so it can be taken in order to provide to you.

No one, and I mean no one, owes you a damn thing.

I suggest you get off your ass and spend half as much time doing something to better yourself as you do demanding someone else provide to you.

Oh. You mean what you "earned" in the absence of any other single human on the planet? You're a joke. Next, moron, what is it you don't get. If medical coverage and college were free, "everybody" would benifit. In the documentary "Sicko," the people they talked to, the "working" ones, were horrified at the thought of doing without their free medical coverage. And you are horrified at the thought of it? How interesting. Also, I have something to suggest to you too. But I don't feel like getting banned.

 

[krypto]

Easy!!!!! Tooo fucking easy!!!! Just secede to either the Netherlands, Japan, Canadia, England, France or Germany. Let them run things. They already have it up and running in their countries. All they need to do is extend their blanket of wise rule over us worthless dipshit Americans. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

Who is paying the doctors?

The government dickwad. The government. They are single payer health care systems. Who is the single payer? The government.

Where does the government get the money?

Maybe the same place our government does. Despite being over 18 trillion dollars in debt with around 65 trillion dollars worth of unfunded obligations. They pretend it into existance. I will show you a picture of what your money basically is.

 

[Conservative65]

Between the two of us, there is only one dipshit. That's you.

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

Who is paying the doctors?

The government dickwad. The government. They are single payer health care systems. Who is the single payer? The government.

Where does the government get the money?

Maybe the same place our government does. Despite being over 18 trillion dollars in debt with around 65 trillion dollars worth of unfunded obligations. They pretend it into existance. I will show you a picture of what your money basically is.

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In other words, those countries fund it from taxes paid by the people you say don't have to pay anything to see a doctor. They've paid yet you think it's free.

 

[krypto]

Blah blah, blahblahblah, blah fucking blah. Other developed countries have free health care. And free college. None if it is due to "involuntary servitude." At least, not in a general sense. Most of any society that has ever existed is based on involuntary servitude. (But especially our dog eat dog capitalist system) If you don't work, you can't pay off that mortgage on your house or that loan on your car. Also, I wasn't in the military because I wanted to be there. Like most people, I just needed a job. Even if it was basically selling myself into slavery. Only the wealthy are free from involuntary servitude.

As to how to make free medical care or free college work, all you need to do is see how other countries do it. Though granted, they don't have to put up with the level of multiethnic bullshit that we do. And that is probably despite letting so many muslim invaders into their countries. Also, those other countries probably have slightly different approaches to doing what they do. All the U.S. has to do is see the various ways they do it and pick a plan that is best for the U.S. Monkey see, monkey do.

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

Just fuck off and die. Do it now!

When you're man enough to back up that demand, do so. Try it, now and fail.

I have already done it. As far as I am concerned, you have both fucked off and died. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet I'm still here treating you like the worthless piece of shit you are.

If you had done it, I wouldn't be here. As far as I'm concerned, you couldn't do it if you wanted to try.

Oh, you have fucked off and died all right. The only reason why you aren't on my ignore list is because your stupidity amuses me.

 

[Conservative65]

That was the question.....free to who.

If they are getting paid...who is paying them ?

What a great fucking idea!!! Let's PAY people to go to college! And the better they do, the more they get paid! You can bet your ass that if I got paid to do well in highschool, I would have done so.

Dear krypto
OKAY if you believe in this, start a company that raises money for scholarships, internships
and student loans and grants. Feature students you think deserve funding.
You could have a million dollar site, combining gofundme and those audition contest / shark tank shows.

Get universities behind you. Grant foundations.
Big companies looking to hire rising stars. Go for it!

I can't even afford to eat very well. And after a few weeks, I am usually broke. Also, I often have to ride a bus if I need to go anywhere. Why don't you just suggest to me that I wave a magic fucking wand. After all, doesn't that work for everybody?

I didn't wave a magic wand. I went out and did something to earn what I have. You, on the other hand, demand someone else go out and earn so it can be taken in order to provide to you.

No one, and I mean no one, owes you a damn thing.

I suggest you get off your ass and spend half as much time doing something to better yourself as you do demanding someone else provide to you.

Oh. You mean what you "earned" in the absence of any other single human on the planet? You're a joke. Next, moron, what is it you don't get. If medical coverage and college were free, "everybody" would benifit. In the documentary "Sicko," the people they talked to, the "working" ones, were horrified at the thought of doing without their free medical coverage. And you are horrified at the thought of it? How interesting. Also, I have something to suggest to you too. But I don't feel like getting banned.

Since neither can be free, your talk of benefits is invalid.

Afraid?

 

[Moonglow]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

It is in the military, just join up....

 

[Conservative65]

Which countries have doctors that work for free? Which countries have college professors that work for free?

You in the military? Liar. The military has a way of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

Just fuck off and die. Do it now!

When you're man enough to back up that demand, do so. Try it, now and fail.

I have already done it. As far as I am concerned, you have both fucked off and died. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet I'm still here treating you like the worthless piece of shit you are.

If you had done it, I wouldn't be here. As far as I'm concerned, you couldn't do it if you wanted to try.

Oh, you have fucked off and died all right. The only reason why you aren't on my ignore list is because your stupidity amuses me.

The only reason you'd put me on your ignore list is because you're a coward.

 

[krypto]

Prove it. Go to any of the countries I mentioned and tell them that they have to pay money if they have a medical problem.

Who is paying the doctors?

The government dickwad. The government. They are single payer health care systems. Who is the single payer? The government.

Where does the government get the money?

Maybe the same place our government does. Despite being over 18 trillion dollars in debt with around 65 trillion dollars worth of unfunded obligations. They pretend it into existance. I will show you a picture of what your money basically is.

View attachment 77005

In other words, those countries fund it from taxes paid by the people you say don't have to pay anything to see a doctor. They've paid yet you think it's free.

There are no, "in other words." Also, the bills are paid for by the taxpayer. And most of them are happy about it. There are shitloads of people in this country who go into bankruptcy or become homeless because they can't pay their medical bills. Do you know how often that happens in countries with free medical coverage? NEVER! Oh, but I forgot. You are the only person why matters.

Sometimes, you need the power of a government to step in and do what needs to be done. For example, I doubt if any private company could have afforded to send people to the moon.