Have Conservatives Gone Completely Insane?

[Invayne]

Um, if its going to drag us all down with it if we don't, yes

Do you always advocate rewarding failure and mediocrity?

 

[mdjgirl7]

So McCain was the worst Senator ever if his state never received any pork in 28 years? If I were a senator, I'd get my state some earmarks. They wouldn't be bullshit earmarks either. Not all earmarks are bad, as John "the liar" McCain suggests.

Huh seems Obama "suspended his worthy ear marks" when he began his bid to be president.

Has Obama EVER voted against the Dems that would be a big ole NO.

Here are a few more facts for ya.
hope that the American people are not blinded by the continual media hype, and make an opinion based on the issues instead of the smooth talking, decent looks, and over-all charm. I’ve been disappointed to hear even friends of mine mention that simply because Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. speaks well and looks good, that he would make the perfect leader, but when asked what they know about what he stands for, not one of them could give an answer. Apparently, to many, all it takes is appearance and performance, never mind actual accomplishments or experience.

But since I’ve brought up accomplishments, let me list a few measures that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. backs.

He sponsored S.CON.RES.53: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that any effort to impose photo identification requirements for voting should be rejected.

In 1999 he was the only Illinois State Senator to vote against a bill barring early release for (criminal) sex offenders.

He voted against filtering pornography on school and library computers and he voted for sex education for kindergarten children through the 5th grade.

Also, in 2001, he voted “present” on a bill to keep pornographic book and video stores and strip clubs from setting up within 1,000 feet of schools and churches.

Just as unsettling is his voting record on abortion.

Twice, Obama voted against bills prohibiting tax funding of abortions.

In February 2004, his wife, Michelle, sent out a fund raising letter, which actually stated her concern over the rise of conservatism in the Country, and that the ‘so-called’ partial-birth abortion was a legitimate medical procedure that should be protected.

Do you have any concept of what a partial birth abortion entails let me fill you in.

Partial-birth abortion is exactly what the term infers. The baby is partially born before its abortionist-induced termination.

This Dilation and Extraction procedure is called D&X, Intact D&X, and Intrauterine cranial decompression. The public commonly uses the term PBA and Partial-birth Abortions.

The procedure is usually performed during the last trimester of gestation up to the end of the ninth month. The woman's cervix is dilated, and the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. Then he proceeds to pull the baby into the birth canal. The abortionist then delivers the baby's body, feet first, all but the baby's head. The abortionist inserts a sharp object into the back of the baby's head, removes it, and inserts a vacuum tube through which the brains are sucked out. The head of the baby collapses at this point and allows the aborted baby to be delivered lifelessly.

Is this graphic, grotesque? Yes, it is! Is it painful for the baby. Did you see anything about anesthesia for the baby that would be another no. So let me get this straight you want a president that thinks it is just a great idea to murder a baby? I am sure his compassion will spill over to those of us whom he has not got the chance to vote on to kill , YET. So far he thinks it is just Ok to murder the innocent you know the ones who cannot speak for themselves.

Maybe he will just apply that only to special needs children what ya think?
Yep I love me some liberal not

As for lies hmmmm he said he did not vote to raise the taxes of people who only made $42,000 a year that would be a lie you are looking for.

 

[Invayne]

He also believes if a child is born alive (accidentally) after a botched abortion, to just throw it in the back room somewhere and wait for it to die. Sick bastard.

 

[mdjgirl7]

He also believes if a child is born alive (accidentally) after a botched abortion, to just throw it in the back room somewhere and wait for it to die. Sick bastard.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Seems to me you want to justify what the muslims did in 9-ll. I find that unacceptable. Who our friends are is non of their concern and it certainly does not give them the right to kill us.

I hate to tell you but I think it is you who is showing the lack of knowledge of Islam

Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day…. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).

In case you missed it slay means kill not convert. I think you are confused it is Christians who believe it is their duty to try and convert people to the true path of Christ.

One more thing yes of course what was I thinking Iran just wants us to join them for tea they are our friends. You must think this bailout is a good idea to and we live in the land of OZ where everything is sugar coated and sprinkled with fairy dust. Wake up boo boo.

The way you twisted what I said about 9/11 makes me think you should run for political office, Giuliani would probably endorse you. I didn't say we deserved what we got in any way shape or form. I was simply stating the actual reasons that they attacked us. Police look for motives when they investigate crimes all the time, does that mean they're justifying the crime? And Iran had nothing to do with 9/11, so I don't know why you keep bringing them up together.

Iran has every right to be angry with us for our preferential treatment towards Israel, considering that Israel is threatening to invade them. Which is not me saying that Iran is blameless, far from it, it's just that Israel is being far too aggressive. We do not have any reason to be hostile towards Iran simply because Israel has a problem with them. I do not support the bailouts, I'm pro-market.

 

[mdjgirl7]

The way you twisted what I said about 9/11 makes me think you should run for political office, Giuliani would probably endorse you. I didn't say we deserved what we got in any way shape or form. I was simply stating the actual reasons that they attacked us. Police look for motives when they investigate crimes all the time, does that mean they're justifying the crime? And Iran had nothing to do with 9/11, so I don't know why you keep bringing them up together.

Iran has every right to be angry with us for our preferential treatment towards Israel, considering that Israel is threatening to invade them. Which is not me saying that Iran is blameless, far from it, it's just that Israel is being far too aggressive. We do not have any reason to be hostile towards Iran simply because Israel has a problem with them. I do not support the bailouts, I'm pro-market.

I quote "The annihilation of the Zionist regime will come... Israel must be wiped off the map...And God willing,with the force of God behind it,we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism"

"They have invented a myth that the Jews were massacred and place this above God,religions, and the prophets."

"I officially announce that Iran has joined countries with nuclear technology."

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Gosh I can't imagine why I keep bringing up Iran as a threat. I don't know maybe because the idiot that runs Iran keeps making public threats towards the US and Israel.The last time I checked Israel is a ally of the U.S.

Iran provides funding,training,weapons, and rockets, and other material support to terrorist groups in Lebanon,the Palestinian Territories,and elsewhere.

Elements of the Iranian national security apparatus are activity supporting the insurgency in Iraq.

Still want to have them over for tea? This is a big reason McCain should be president to deal with the nut jobs like Ahmadinejad. We want the warrior for president not the show pony. We want McCain he can put the fear of God in these freaks they should be afraid of him they should be very afraid. McCain will not put up with their crap.

Ride the McCain Train in 08!!

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

The quote from Ahmenijad is a well-known mistranslation. He actually said that Israel would fade from the pages of history. This has been known for months and months now.

Also, for my liberal friends: if there are any of you who think the sky is falling and the bailout should have passed, think again. Dennis Kucinich's economic advisor, Dr. Michael Hudson, says it was crap, so I think it's safe to say--it's crap.

Michael Hudson: The Insanity of the $700 Billion Giveaway

Our government loves to sell scare stories, because it's how they increase their power. Don't fall for it. They lied about Iraq and lots of other things, don't fall for this all of a sudden.

 

[mdjgirl7]

The quote from Ahmenijad is a well-known mistranslation. He actually said that Israel would fade from the pages of history. This has been known for months and months now.

Also, for my liberal friends: if there are any of you who think the sky is falling and the bailout should have passed, think again. Dennis Kucinich's economic advisor, Dr. Michael Hudson, says it was crap, so I think it's safe to say--it's crap.

Michael Hudson: The Insanity of the $700 Billion Giveaway

Our government loves to sell scare stories, because it's how they increase their power. Don't fall for it. They lied about Iraq and lots of other things, don't fall for this all of a sudden.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon was 'shocked and dismayed' at the report by the official Islamic Republic News Agency. President Ahmadinejad has made repeated anti-Israeli comments and this is the second time he has referred to Israel's impending doom.


In a statement, the secretary-general reminded Iran and the international community that "the state of Israel is a full and long-standing member of the United Nations" and that "all members have undertaken to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state."


The last time Iran's hard-line president threatened Israel, he said, the "Zionist regime should be wiped off the map." Iran did a little backpedalling, claiming Ahmadinejad meant that Israel would disappear in time, a victim of its own policies and culture, rather than be destroyed. This time Ahmadinejad's statement was quite clear. No amount of spin can hide his intent to annihilate the Jewish state.

BTW this lady is not falling for no freaking bailout crap. I say let the chips fall where they may.


I like Rusell Crowes idea on how to stimulate our economy.
How about we give each and every person in the US a million bucks each. We have about 300 million people think of all the savings lot less debt and I bet if we all had a million bucks we would be some house buying car buying freaks what do you think?


I think wall street had their shot at the money now it is our turn whoooo hooo

 

[OohRah Mama]

while it is clearly an email, can you dispute the facts it contains?
have at it

Okeley-dokely, Dude:

snopes.com: Voting for Change

Voting for Change

Claim: The 2008 U.S. economic downturn resulted from Democratic control of Congress in 2007.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected via e-mail, March 2008]

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we've seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Origins: This piece is one of the more ludicrous examples of the post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this, therefore because of this") fallacy we've received in a long time.

It attempts to blame a whole host of economic ills — high gasoline prices, unemployment, falling stock prices, the housing market meltdown — squarely and solely on the Democrats' having gained a majority of seats in the House of Representatives beginning in 2007.

We'll start by noting that it's not technically correct to claim the public voted "in a Democratic Congress in 2006." The Democrats did gain 31 seats in the House of Representatives in the 2006 elections, giving them a 233-198 majority over Republicans in that institution once the 110th Congress was seated in 2007. However, the current composition of the Senate tips towards neither party, with both Democrats and Republicans holding 49 seats each. (Two senators, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, were elected as independents.)

The other major fallacies here are the notions that a single party with control of only the House of Representatives (but not the Senate or the White House) could have, by itself, brought about all the economic conditions described above, and that it could have done so in the space of a single year. The financial woes currently being experienced in the U.S. are due to a multiplicity of factors (many of which are completely outside the purview of Congress), including policies of the current and previous presidential administrations, previous Congressional actions (or inactions), institutional investment decisions, credit expansion, market forces, and global events. Moreover, all these factors are part of ongoing processes that were underway well before 2007, as political/economic commentator Kevin Phillips described in his 2008 book, Bad Money:
Mr. Phillips begins with an overview of the current debt debacle. The 1980s were the start of "three profligate decades," when the expansion of mortgage credit and the invention of financial instruments like collateralized debt obligations (C.D.O.'s) led to an orgy of leveraging and irresponsible speculation. The Federal Reserve kept the bubble afloat with easy money, while regulators and ratings agencies looked the other way.

By 2007 total indebtedness was three times the size of the gross domestic product, a ratio that surpassed the record set in the years of the Great Depression. From 2001 to 2007 alone, domestic financial debt grew to $14.5 trillion from $8.5 trillion, and home mortgage debt ballooned to almost $10 trillion from $4.9 trillion, an increase of 102 percent. A crisis in the mortgage market in August 2007 brought the party to an end. Since then we have been living in a twilight zone of what a security analyst quoted in the book calls "one of the slowest-moving train wrecks we've seen."

The second component of the perfect storm is the upheaval in the oil industry. Domestic production peaked in 1971, and there are signs that production worldwide is also peaking. (Mr. Phillips cites experts who believe it already has.) And with the emergence of new economic powers like China and India, demand has risen dramatically and prices have been climbing steadily; by 2004 a rapidly growing China had become the second largest oil consumer, after the United States. Despite the bad news at the gas pump, however, America has actually been getting a cost break, because the major suppliers price their oil in dollars. But with the dollar falling, OPEC has been talking about moving into other currencies. Were that to happen, "the effects," Mr. Phillips says tersely, "could be painful."

Finally, Mr. Phillips turns to what he terms America's "calcified" political system. We may need new regulations to deal with the debt mess, along with an energy policy to address the changing world of oil, but Washington, he says, has become dedicated to "the politics of evasion," reluctant to pass dramatic reforms or to call for sacrifice from the public. Democrats and Republicans alike are so entrenched, so dependent on campaign money and special interests, that "the notion of a breath of fresh air has become almost a contradiction in terms."
America may have "voted for change" in 2006, but the detrimental changes that have manifested themselves so far are the product of forces that have been a long, long time in the making, not the sudden caprices of one political party.

******************************************

I don't mind discussing factual matters or opinions. I just think it's a waste of everyone's time to try to discuss fallacy passed off as fact.

 

[Care4all]

Okeley-dokely, Dude:

snopes.com: Voting for Change

Voting for Change

Claim: The 2008 U.S. economic downturn resulted from Democratic control of Congress in 2007.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected via e-mail, March 2008]

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we've seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Origins: This piece is one of the more ludicrous examples of the post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this, therefore because of this") fallacy we've received in a long time.

It attempts to blame a whole host of economic ills — high gasoline prices, unemployment, falling stock prices, the housing market meltdown — squarely and solely on the Democrats' having gained a majority of seats in the House of Representatives beginning in 2007.

We'll start by noting that it's not technically correct to claim the public voted "in a Democratic Congress in 2006." The Democrats did gain 31 seats in the House of Representatives in the 2006 elections, giving them a 233-198 majority over Republicans in that institution once the 110th Congress was seated in 2007. However, the current composition of the Senate tips towards neither party, with both Democrats and Republicans holding 49 seats each. (Two senators, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, were elected as independents.)

The other major fallacies here are the notions that a single party with control of only the House of Representatives (but not the Senate or the White House) could have, by itself, brought about all the economic conditions described above, and that it could have done so in the space of a single year. The financial woes currently being experienced in the U.S. are due to a multiplicity of factors (many of which are completely outside the purview of Congress), including policies of the current and previous presidential administrations, previous Congressional actions (or inactions), institutional investment decisions, credit expansion, market forces, and global events. Moreover, all these factors are part of ongoing processes that were underway well before 2007, as political/economic commentator Kevin Phillips described in his 2008 book, Bad Money:
Mr. Phillips begins with an overview of the current debt debacle. The 1980s were the start of "three profligate decades," when the expansion of mortgage credit and the invention of financial instruments like collateralized debt obligations (C.D.O.'s) led to an orgy of leveraging and irresponsible speculation. The Federal Reserve kept the bubble afloat with easy money, while regulators and ratings agencies looked the other way.

By 2007 total indebtedness was three times the size of the gross domestic product, a ratio that surpassed the record set in the years of the Great Depression. From 2001 to 2007 alone, domestic financial debt grew to $14.5 trillion from $8.5 trillion, and home mortgage debt ballooned to almost $10 trillion from $4.9 trillion, an increase of 102 percent. A crisis in the mortgage market in August 2007 brought the party to an end. Since then we have been living in a twilight zone of what a security analyst quoted in the book calls "one of the slowest-moving train wrecks we've seen."

The second component of the perfect storm is the upheaval in the oil industry. Domestic production peaked in 1971, and there are signs that production worldwide is also peaking. (Mr. Phillips cites experts who believe it already has.) And with the emergence of new economic powers like China and India, demand has risen dramatically and prices have been climbing steadily; by 2004 a rapidly growing China had become the second largest oil consumer, after the United States. Despite the bad news at the gas pump, however, America has actually been getting a cost break, because the major suppliers price their oil in dollars. But with the dollar falling, OPEC has been talking about moving into other currencies. Were that to happen, "the effects," Mr. Phillips says tersely, "could be painful."

Finally, Mr. Phillips turns to what he terms America's "calcified" political system. We may need new regulations to deal with the debt mess, along with an energy policy to address the changing world of oil, but Washington, he says, has become dedicated to "the politics of evasion," reluctant to pass dramatic reforms or to call for sacrifice from the public. Democrats and Republicans alike are so entrenched, so dependent on campaign money and special interests, that "the notion of a breath of fresh air has become almost a contradiction in terms."
America may have "voted for change" in 2006, but the detrimental changes that have manifested themselves so far are the product of forces that have been a long, long time in the making, not the sudden caprices of one political party.

******************************************

I don't mind discussing factual matters or opinions. I just think it's a waste of everyone's time to try to discuss fallacy passed off as fact.

TY for posting

 

[xsited1]

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since (the beginning of 2007) we've seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

The above information is, of course, true. The problem is that the original email is placing sole blame on the Democratic Party.

 

[AllieBaba]

That's a good place for it to be placed.

 

[DiveCon]

The above information is, of course, true. The problem is that the original email is placing sole blame on the Democratic Party.

and thats the only thing false about that email
and snopes should correct his page

 

[xsited1]

and thats the only thing false about that email
and snopes should correct his page

When I first started reading that Snopes page, I thought I was reading the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos.

 

[DiveCon]

When I first started reading that Snopes page, I thought I was reading the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos.

he is a lib, and his bias does show a few times, but for the most part he is pretty fair
i would trust his research over most news orgs
most of the time

 

[Invayne]

The quote from Ahmenijad is a well-known mistranslation. He actually said that Israel would fade from the pages of history.

And how would they do that? The same way the homosexuals faded from Iran?

 

[OohRah Mama]

and thats the only thing false about that email
and snopes should correct his page

Yeah, why let truth get in the way of your carefully-stacked house of cards? Let's just throw those mean ol' logic and facts out of the equation so you feel better. Therethere *patpat* Therethere *patpat*

 

[DiveCon]

Yeah, why let truth get in the way of your carefully-stacked house of cards? Let's just throw those mean ol' logic and facts out of the equation so you feel better. Therethere *patpat* Therethere *patpat*

coming from a complete fucking moron like you


knock yourself out

 

[OohRah Mama]

Nice comeback, Potsie.

 

[DiveCon]

Nice comeback, Potsie.

naw, i'm more like Richie, and you seem more like ralph mouth