Havana: A Film That Spits In The Face Of History

[PoliticalChic]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

 

[fncceo]

The difference between a fairy tale and any historical movie ...

... a fairy tale starts, "Once Upon A Time".

... a historical movie starts, "Based on a True Story".

 

[PoliticalChic]

The difference between a fairy tale and any historical movie ...

... a fairy tale starts, "Once Upon A Time".

... a historical movie starts, "Based on a True Story".

A great pity that you don't understand what the Left does and how it does it.

Far too many are, like you, oblivious to how the Marxist control the thoughts of the uneducated.


I'd be happy to provide a reading curriculum for you.....it might just open your eyes.

Might.

 

[rightwinger]

Cuba was a true Banana Republic with the corrupt Government protecting the Capitalists at the expense of the workers.

The US backed the wrong side and forced the workers into the hands of the Communists

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

Why don't you just go on what the people decide?
The US has supported every fascist dictator from Batista and his corrupt government and death squads on, Castro led a popular revolution and kicked them out. Under Reagan, the US propped up Junta after murderous Junta against the wishes of the people of pretty much most of Central and Sth America. The US even invaded several countries that dared to elect a Socialist government. Grenada a British protectorate springs to mind. The US should keep its nose out of other countries' business and confine its interests to within its own borders.

The idea that the US is the richest country is an illusion for most of its citizens only a tiny proportion have a wealthy lifestyle the rest can't even get healthcare. Vietnam has a far better healthcare system that no doubt makes you yanks blush with envy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. While Liberals in general and Hollywood specifically, always lie in favor of dictators, despots and homicidal maniacs, the film provides a true sense of what was going on under Batista, and Cuba of the era was remarkably recreated in the Dominican Republic. With the proviso that the ‘history’ is an ideological lie, I highly recommend the film. Especially when considering the junk Hollywood turns out today.

The real history and the real Cuba reveal why Democrats/Progressives should never be in power.




7. When viewing the propaganda hidden in this film, Havana, keep the 'Hollywood Blacklisting' in mind.

While it was a backlash against the control Marxist had and have in Hollywood.....the indoctrination of the simple-minded and uneducated, blacklisting of pro-liberty and pro-America works was far more prevalent.
The first thing to realize is that blacklisting.... "Concerted action by employers to deny employment to someone suspected of unacceptable opinions or behavior" was actually begin by communists in Hollywood against conservatives.


And Dalton Trumbo was one of the most vociferous, and vicious, in its use!
"Communists in high positions in Hollywood were able to see to it that ant-Communist works never made it to the screen.

Writing in "The Worker," Dalton Trumbo bragged about de facto anti-Communist blacklisting. "We have produced a few fine films in Hollywood, a great many of which were vulgar and opportunistic and a few downright vicious. If you tell me Hollywood, in contrast with the novel and the theater, has produced nothing so provocative or so progressive asFreedom RoadorDeep Are the Roots, I will grant you the point, but I may also add that neither has Hollywood produced anything so untrue or so reactionary asThe Yogi and the Commissar,Out of the Night,Report on the Russians,There Shall Be No Night, orAdventures of a Young Man. Nor does Hollywood's forthcoming schedule include such tempting items as James T. FarrellBernard Clare, Victor A. KravchenkoI Chose Freedom, or the so-called biography of Stalin by Leon Trotsky." FrontPage Magazine - Orwell vs. Communism


You didn't know that, did you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

Why don't you just go on what the people decide?
The US has supported every fascist dictator from Batista and his corrupt government and death squads on, Castro led a popular revolution and kicked them out. Under Reagan, the US propped up Junta after murderous Junta against the wishes of the people of pretty much most of Central and Sth America. The US even invaded several countries that dared to elect a Socialist government. Grenada a British protectorate springs to mind. The US should keep its nose out of other countries' business and confine its interests to within its own borders.

The idea that the US is the richest country is an illusion for most of its citizens only a tiny proportion have a wealthy lifestyle the rest can't even get healthcare. Vietnam has a far better healthcare system that no doubt makes you yanks blush with envy.

" Under Reagan,....."

After Stalin's BFF Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, turned over fully half of Europe to the tender mercies of the Marxists, it was the finest President in a hundred years, to liberate Eastern Europe.


"....Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Margaret Thatcher worked together, openly and not so openly, to bring about what most experts agreed was impossible — the swift dissolution of the Soviet Union and Marxism-Leninism.

...... Jimmy Carter’s monumental ineptitude at home and abroad prepared the way for a conservative alternative in Reagan in 1980; and Britain’s accelerating economic decline coupled with a series of often violent strikes in the winter of 1978-79 brought the country to the edge of anarchy. Thatcher offered a strong purgative — economic liberty, traditional Christian values, patriotism, and a strong attachment to the United States and like-minded nations — and in May 1979 was elected prime minister.

..... the attempted assassinations: Reagan narrowly escaped death at the hand of John Hinckley on March 30, 1981; John Paul II barely survived an attempted assassination only 43 days later, on May 13. Three years later, on October 12, 1984, Thatcher miraculously escaped an IRA bomb intended to kill her unscathed (five people died in the blast). Not widely understood at the time was that both Reagan and John Paul II almost died from their wounds.

Each believed that he had been created for a purpose. For Reagan it was to hasten and bring about the collapse of Communism. For John Paul II (at least in the political realm) it was his diplomatic offensive for religious liberty behind the Iron Curtain, especially in Poland. Thatcher was determined to transform “the sick old man of Europe” (a familiar epithet for Britain) into a dynamic land of enterprise and prosperity.

...... Thatcher and Reagan worked closely together in the early 1980s against the unilateral disarmament policies of the left in Britain and on the European continent. As a counter to several hundred Soviet SS-20s aimed at Western Europe, NATO proposed the deployment of a similar number of American cruise and Pershing missiles. There were massive demonstrations against deployment in major European cities, but the West, led by Thatcher and Reagan, stood firm. General elections were held in Britain, Holland, Belgium, and Italy in the fall of 1983, and the peaceniks were decisively defeated everywhere.

...... Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot; revived the U.S. economy, which went on to enjoy more than 20 years of consecutive economic growth; restored the spirit of America; and established a “new conservative dominance in American politics” based on small government and low taxes. "

Three Who Made a Revolution - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

This review appeared in the March 2007 issue of The American Spectator. To subscribe to the monthly print edition, click here. The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World By John O’Sullivan (Regnery, 448 pages,...

spectator.org

Recommended reading: it might make you appear less ignorant.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Cuba was a true Banana Republic with the corrupt Government protecting the Capitalists at the expense of the workers.

The US backed the wrong side and forced the workers into the hands of the Communists

Yeah.... much better to pick the murderous dictator and the madmen that surrounded him.
And boy did Cuba improve after they got in power! Right??
The poor disappeared!!

 

[rightwinger]

Cuba was a true Banana Republic with the corrupt Government protecting the Capitalists at the expense of the workers.

The US backed the wrong side and forced the workers into the hands of the Communists

Yeah.... much better to pick the murderous dictator and the madmen that surrounded him.
And boy did Cuba improve after they got in power! Right??
The poor disappeared!!

Cuba got fucked either way

They saw what Batista and his corrupt Capitalist schemes got them. The US could have backed a more just regime and driven Batista and his thugs out.

In the absence of a stable, just Capitalist system......The people turned to Communism

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Cuba was a true Banana Republic with the corrupt Government protecting the Capitalists at the expense of the workers.

The US backed the wrong side and forced the workers into the hands of the Communists

Yeah.... much better to pick the murderous dictator and the madmen that surrounded him.
And boy did Cuba improve after they got in power! Right??
The poor disappeared!!

Cuba got fucked either way

They saw what Batista and his corrupt Capitalist schemes got them. The US could have backed a more just regime and driven Batista and his thugs out.

In the absence of a stable, just Capitalist system......The people turned to Communism

Hahahahahaaaa!!!
The people didn't have a choice. They didn't choose shit.
The madmen with automatic guns chose everything for them, if you didn't agree - you wound up in jail.
Castro was for Castro. Getting and maintaining power. He executed his own henchmen if he felt they were getting too popular
He and his family lived like royalty while the country literally crumbled to the ground around his compound.
The only thing Cubans chose to do - was risk their lives trying to get to here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. Democrat Roosevelt did for Russia what Democrats since Castro took over, have done for….or ‘to’ Cuba. And let’s not forget, we have the Franklin Roosevelt administration to thank for Mao’s China.



There is a certain resonance, a cadence of Democrats installing and defending Marxists and Marxism:

Democrat Roosevelt and Stalin.....and Mao.

The NYTimes love affair with Castro

The pattern continues in Iran, where the psychopath, the Ayatollah, was installed by Democrat Carter.
"When the Iranian revolution came to power, with the help of Democratic President Jimmy Carter, the Ayatollah Khomeini killed more human beings (about twenty thousand) in two weeks than had been killed by the Shah during his entire thirty-eight years. Khomeini followed this by sending hundreds of thousands of Iranians to die in the Iran-Iraq war, as martyrdom was needed to resurrect the Islamic Empire."
Paul Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 108



Every time, the result is the slaughter of human beings.







9. Perhaps I should include Democrat Hillary Clinton and Margaret Sanger’s evil Planned Butcherhood.

"...Planned Parenthood receives approximately $500 million a year in taxpayer funds, as a GAO report indicated last year."
How Much of Your Tax Money Does Planned Parenthood Get? A New Report Will Tell You | LifeNews.com



….plus what they earn selling harvested fetal organs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. When will Hollywood be making this book into a film?


“Emilio Adolfo (Emi) and Adolfo Rivero were Cuban resistance heroes who began by fighting against Castro’s predecessor, Batista. After Castro’s coup, the brothers took opposite sides. Emi quickly understood that Castro was a far greater danger to Cuba than Batista had ever been. Adolfo, however, was a committed communist who thought Castro would lead Cuba to the utopian dream of social justice.

Emi became a CIA agent inside Cuba. He recognized that the Americans, given their careless misunderstanding of Cuba and Castro, were probably going to lose. But his commitment to liberty pushed him to join the battle. Castro’s State Security agents captured him.

… Democrats like to make fun of anti-communists and pretend their political enemies are right-wing extremists. However, as Landau’s narrative shows, the devices of Cuban communism and the program of the Democrats are virtually the same.

… the people who prevail at the New York Times are still admirers of Castro’s regime. The New York Times also happens to be the institution that sets the table for America’s literary intelligentsia—and for Democrats in general.

Anti-capitalists protest our nature and believe the government can change it. Cuba proves otherwise.” Hidden history of Cuba will make Democrats squirm

So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. No matter what they say out loud, reality is defined by actions, not words. Democrats are all socialists, communists, and have no problem with dictators and despots.

New York Times: Fidel Castro "definitely Not a Communist" (1959)







Bernie Sanders, a Democrat presidential candidate, was/is a Castro supporter.

Most Democrats decried his remarks…..but they lie.

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.



Remember that when you see the films they make.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

Why don't you just go on what the people decide?
The US has supported every fascist dictator from Batista and his corrupt government and death squads on, Castro led a popular revolution and kicked them out. Under Reagan, the US propped up Junta after murderous Junta against the wishes of the people of pretty much most of Central and Sth America. The US even invaded several countries that dared to elect a Socialist government. Grenada a British protectorate springs to mind. The US should keep its nose out of other countries' business and confine its interests to within its own borders.

The idea that the US is the richest country is an illusion for most of its citizens only a tiny proportion have a wealthy lifestyle the rest can't even get healthcare. Vietnam has a far better healthcare system that no doubt makes you yanks blush with envy.

" Under Reagan,....."

After Stalin's BFF Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, turned over fully half of Europe to the tender mercies of the Marxists, it was the finest President in a hundred years, to liberate Eastern Europe.


"....Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Margaret Thatcher worked together, openly and not so openly, to bring about what most experts agreed was impossible — the swift dissolution of the Soviet Union and Marxism-Leninism.

...... Jimmy Carter’s monumental ineptitude at home and abroad prepared the way for a conservative alternative in Reagan in 1980; and Britain’s accelerating economic decline coupled with a series of often violent strikes in the winter of 1978-79 brought the country to the edge of anarchy. Thatcher offered a strong purgative — economic liberty, traditional Christian values, patriotism, and a strong attachment to the United States and like-minded nations — and in May 1979 was elected prime minister.

..... the attempted assassinations: Reagan narrowly escaped death at the hand of John Hinckley on March 30, 1981; John Paul II barely survived an attempted assassination only 43 days later, on May 13. Three years later, on October 12, 1984, Thatcher miraculously escaped an IRA bomb intended to kill her unscathed (five people died in the blast). Not widely understood at the time was that both Reagan and John Paul II almost died from their wounds.

Each believed that he had been created for a purpose. For Reagan it was to hasten and bring about the collapse of Communism. For John Paul II (at least in the political realm) it was his diplomatic offensive for religious liberty behind the Iron Curtain, especially in Poland. Thatcher was determined to transform “the sick old man of Europe” (a familiar epithet for Britain) into a dynamic land of enterprise and prosperity.

...... Thatcher and Reagan worked closely together in the early 1980s against the unilateral disarmament policies of the left in Britain and on the European continent. As a counter to several hundred Soviet SS-20s aimed at Western Europe, NATO proposed the deployment of a similar number of American cruise and Pershing missiles. There were massive demonstrations against deployment in major European cities, but the West, led by Thatcher and Reagan, stood firm. General elections were held in Britain, Holland, Belgium, and Italy in the fall of 1983, and the peaceniks were decisively defeated everywhere.

...... Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot; revived the U.S. economy, which went on to enjoy more than 20 years of consecutive economic growth; restored the spirit of America; and established a “new conservative dominance in American politics” based on small government and low taxes. "

Three Who Made a Revolution - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

This review appeared in the March 2007 issue of The American Spectator. To subscribe to the monthly print edition, click here. The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World By John O’Sullivan (Regnery, 448 pages,...

spectator.org

Recommended reading: it might make you appear less ignorant.


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Hmm, I don't need your usual 'cut & pastes' of right-wing selected histories.
Wrong for anybody to approve of assassinations of political figures but let's face it Reagan & Thatcher's demise would have been a blessing especially in Thatcher's case if it could have happened before she decimated British industry. The fact the assassinations were botched was obviously the work of Satan. Speaking of Satan his man on Earth John Paul ll should have been tending his flock of pedophile Bishops and priests rather than moving them about to escape prosecution and kept his nose out of politics.
As for you 'little miss know it all', people who think they do know it all, have a habit of coming to a sticky end, especially when they accuse others of ignorance. You have to be pretty thick and ignorant not to mention arrogant to promote yourself as 'the chosen one' and your crucifixion seems imminent. Though let's face it you have been crucified many times on this forum. More work of Satan you haven't just given up.

 

[Flopper]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

The film Havana is a work of fiction. It was never intended to be a historical recount of the revolution. In writing fiction, facts are ignored in favor plot and dramatic presentation. There are several good books that are historical correct if that is your interest.

I was disappointed in the movie. With Sydney Pollack directing and starring Robert Redford and set on the eve of the Cuban revolution, it should have been a fascinating movie, but I found it to be a bit dull.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

The film Havana is a work of fiction. It was never intended to be a historical recount of the revolution. In writing fiction, facts are ignored in favor plot and dramatic presentation. There are several good books that are historical correct if that is your interest.

I was disappointed in the movie. With Sydney Pollack directing and starring Robert Redford and set on the eve of the Cuban revolution, it should have been a fascinating movie, but I found it to be a bit dull.

" It was never intended to be a historical recount of the revolution. "

Of course it was.

As is the case of so many of you Democrat voters, Hollywood propaganda is taken as factual history.

Hollywood simply picks up where government school leaves off.

1. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."

Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal



2. - School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists


"School's Nation of Islam Handout Paints Founding Fathers as Racists
The teacher also told Sommer that her son was not supposed to take the Nation of Islam handout home. It was supposed to stay in the classroom. That bit of news caused her great alarm.
“The fact that students were cautioned against allowing their parents to see anything is deeply troubling,” West told me. “The only reasonable explanation is they don’t want parents to know what it is their children are learning.”

3. Under pressure from transgender activists, progressive politicians, teacher unions, and the education establishment, and despite parents’ opposition, America’s public schools are capitulating to ideologues and implementing the radical transgender agenda with full force.
...regardless of biological sex, .... Activists want every child, from kindergarten on, to learn that “sex” is something “assigned at birth” rather than a biological reality. They want children to think that individuals get to choose their own “gender identity” (not limited to male or female), and that everyone else must affirm that “gender identity” as true.


...nothing that parents (or teachers) can do to prevent the schools from imposing policies designed to indoctrinate children with gender ideology.

In public education, the “deep state” describes a coalition of various groups – including teachers’ unions, progressive advocacy groups, major corporations, and philanthropists --that work together to promote the progressive worldview..."
America’s Public Education System: The Ultimate Deep State





4. The National Education Association approved a new "business item" expressing support for abortion access during its annual conference in Houston.

"[T]he NEA will include an assertion of our defense of a person's right to control their own body, especially for women, youth, and sexually marginalized people," the resolution states. "The NEA vigorously opposes all attacks on the right to choose and stands on the fundamental right to abortion under Roe v. Wade."

The NEA is the largest teachers' union in the U.S. with more than 3 million members. It collected nearly $400 million from American educators in 2018, according to federal labor filings. The union is also one of the most politically active in the country, spending $70 million on politics and lobbying in 2017 and 2018. Nearly all of the union's political action committee spending went to Democrats during the midterm cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.


NEA's 2019 adopted New Business Items (NBIs) reveal what savvy teachers have known for decades: state and national teachers' unions are essentially the political action committee of the Far-Left,"
Largest U.S. Teachers' Union Endorses Abortion




Both turn out Leftists like you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. This weekend, I had the opportunity to see the film “Havana” (1990), a re-association of Sidney Pollack and Robert Redford. I liked the film, but as usual, I am never able to apply a willing suspension of disbelief. Knowledge and education prevent absorbing the Hollywood versions of history.



2. The film, with a theme taken liberally from the 1943 blockbuster, Casablanca, has Redford opposite the beautiful Lena Olin, and she a freedom fighter of the Ingrid Bergman mold, opposing not the Nazis, but a modern version of same, the Batista secret police. But Pollack cleans up Castro and his psychopaths as the anti-Nazi resistance fighters.

That’s not just a mistake…..it is Hollywood’s indoctrination of an ignorant public.



3. The correct historic perspective would be to have the conflict in Cube mirror Hitler’s Nazis versus Stalin’s Communists, after all the characteristics of the combatants mirror the previous pair, and with the very same outcome….Communists with the aid of American Liberals/Democrats, victorious. Both cases, a terrible mistake.



4. The great lesson of modern history is that Liberals/Progressives/Democrats don’t learn the great lessons of modern history.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"




5. Perhaps, in support of art, we should forgive Pollack et al., for cleaning up the Castor/Che rebels, and hiding what murdering thugs…Marxists… they were?

Forgivable? Not when Castro took over in 1959, and the film was made released in 1990, well past when this was known:

“Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm



Castro’s death cult, in which executions are uncountable, like other leftist ideologies believes that human blood purifies the earth, and since manifestations of grief affirm the reality of the individual, and thus are anathema to the totality, the collective, - mourning for the departed is strictly forbidden. Castro’s Cuba warned family members of murdered dissidents not to cry at their funerals. Valladares, ‘Against All Hope,” p. 378.





So…..see “Havana,” but don’t be taken in by the subtext.

It’s a lie.

Why don't you just go on what the people decide?
The US has supported every fascist dictator from Batista and his corrupt government and death squads on, Castro led a popular revolution and kicked them out. Under Reagan, the US propped up Junta after murderous Junta against the wishes of the people of pretty much most of Central and Sth America. The US even invaded several countries that dared to elect a Socialist government. Grenada a British protectorate springs to mind. The US should keep its nose out of other countries' business and confine its interests to within its own borders.

The idea that the US is the richest country is an illusion for most of its citizens only a tiny proportion have a wealthy lifestyle the rest can't even get healthcare. Vietnam has a far better healthcare system that no doubt makes you yanks blush with envy.

" Under Reagan,....."

After Stalin's BFF Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, turned over fully half of Europe to the tender mercies of the Marxists, it was the finest President in a hundred years, to liberate Eastern Europe.


"....Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, and Margaret Thatcher worked together, openly and not so openly, to bring about what most experts agreed was impossible — the swift dissolution of the Soviet Union and Marxism-Leninism.

...... Jimmy Carter’s monumental ineptitude at home and abroad prepared the way for a conservative alternative in Reagan in 1980; and Britain’s accelerating economic decline coupled with a series of often violent strikes in the winter of 1978-79 brought the country to the edge of anarchy. Thatcher offered a strong purgative — economic liberty, traditional Christian values, patriotism, and a strong attachment to the United States and like-minded nations — and in May 1979 was elected prime minister.

..... the attempted assassinations: Reagan narrowly escaped death at the hand of John Hinckley on March 30, 1981; John Paul II barely survived an attempted assassination only 43 days later, on May 13. Three years later, on October 12, 1984, Thatcher miraculously escaped an IRA bomb intended to kill her unscathed (five people died in the blast). Not widely understood at the time was that both Reagan and John Paul II almost died from their wounds.

Each believed that he had been created for a purpose. For Reagan it was to hasten and bring about the collapse of Communism. For John Paul II (at least in the political realm) it was his diplomatic offensive for religious liberty behind the Iron Curtain, especially in Poland. Thatcher was determined to transform “the sick old man of Europe” (a familiar epithet for Britain) into a dynamic land of enterprise and prosperity.

...... Thatcher and Reagan worked closely together in the early 1980s against the unilateral disarmament policies of the left in Britain and on the European continent. As a counter to several hundred Soviet SS-20s aimed at Western Europe, NATO proposed the deployment of a similar number of American cruise and Pershing missiles. There were massive demonstrations against deployment in major European cities, but the West, led by Thatcher and Reagan, stood firm. General elections were held in Britain, Holland, Belgium, and Italy in the fall of 1983, and the peaceniks were decisively defeated everywhere.

...... Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot; revived the U.S. economy, which went on to enjoy more than 20 years of consecutive economic growth; restored the spirit of America; and established a “new conservative dominance in American politics” based on small government and low taxes. "

Three Who Made a Revolution - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

This review appeared in the March 2007 issue of The American Spectator. To subscribe to the monthly print edition, click here. The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World By John O’Sullivan (Regnery, 448 pages,...

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Recommended reading: it might make you appear less ignorant.


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Hmm, I don't need your usual 'cut & pastes' of right-wing selected histories.
Wrong for anybody to approve of assassinations of political figures but let's face it Reagan & Thatcher's demise would have been a blessing especially in Thatcher's case if it could have happened before she decimated British industry. The fact the assassinations were botched was obviously the work of Satan. Speaking of Satan his man on Earth John Paul ll should have been tending his flock of pedophile Bishops and priests rather than moving them about to escape prosecution and kept his nose out of politics.
As for you 'little miss know it all', people who think they do know it all, have a habit of coming to a sticky end, especially when they accuse others of ignorance. You have to be pretty thick and ignorant not to mention arrogant to promote yourself as 'the chosen one' and your crucifixion seems imminent. Though let's face it you have been crucified many times on this forum. More work of Satan you haven't just given up.

There is nothing even vaguely correct in your post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. A couple of Leftists have complained, essentially, that I am too demanding in not simply accepting the Hollywood version of Castro and his thugs.
Only a film , they complain.

They are not simply apologists for the totalitarians, they pretend that large numbers of voters aren't swayed by the view projected......we see the Communist rebels through the eyes of the heroine, Lina Olin.

The film was made 30 years after the fact, and leaves out what we have come to know about every totalitarian revolution, from the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, Mao, Castro, and Khomeini's ......everyone blood-drenched.


"Fidel Castro has killed or ordered the deaths of so many people that there isn’t even an exact death toll. The number can only be guessed and is said to be in the high thousands. Professor Armando Lago believes that this number could be in the 10,000s but is more likely to be closer to 100,000. Armando Lago is a Harvard-trained economist who spent many years studying exactly what the revolution cost the Cuban people. Lago equated that 78,000 people died trying to flee dictatorship while 5300 are known to have lost their lives fighting for communism in the Bay of Pigs and Escambray Mountains. Adding onto these already astronomical numbers, 14,000 were killed in Fidel Castro’s revolutionary adventures abroad and he ordered 50,000 soldiers to fight alongside a 1980s Soviet-backed regime in Angola. Despite these huge numbers people are still mourning the death of Fidel Castro, their reason is understandably complicated."

The 15 Worst Atrocities Committed By Fidel Castro

After decades of ruling over Cuba with an iron fist, borrowing tactics from minds like Hitler and Stalin, Fidel Castro passed away. Technically he wasn’t in power as he passed presidential duties over

www.therichest.com

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."
Joseph Stalin

 

[PoliticalChic]

13. In the film ‘Havana’ we see the Communist rebels through the eyes of the heroine, Lina Olin.
That is always the perspective from Hollywood.


The film was made 30 years after the fact and leaves out what we have come to know about every totalitarian revolution, from the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, Mao, Castro, and Khomeini's ......everyone blood-drenched.

“… 95 minors documented that were killed by the order of Fidel Castro. Of these teens and children 22 died by firing squad and 32 were killed in extrajudicial assassination.

The family of 15 year old Owen Delgado Temprana took refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy before Cuban revolutionaries stormed in and beat him to death. There were also many people who died while incarcerated, often times the guards would mark the death “heart attack” but witness statements tell us another tale.

There were a total of 2199 reported prison deaths during this Socialist regime, one of which was a 17 year old denied medical attention. The young boy was found deceased in a pool of his own blood and vomit. Three children also died in 1971 when a Cuban navy boat sunk the ship by ramming the boat, to make it all the more horrific, their mother was eaten by sharks in front of them.” The 15 Worst Atrocities Committed By Fidel Castro

 

[Flopper]

historical recount of the revolution.

You claim the theme of the movie was taken from Casablanca and then you claim it was meant to be a historical recount of the revolution. That was never Pollack's intent. As Pollack explained, it was love story set in corruption of the Batista era on the eve of the revolution. It is historical fiction with an emphasis on fiction.

If you want to discuss the movie, you are in the right replace and I will be happy to do so but if you want to ague politics, I'm sure there are others that will be happy to do so.