Has Hillary Lost New Hampshire?

[JoeB131]

Men who were there at the time, suffered the indignities, and not that much older when they made their statements.


You've wasted enough of my time on this.

Oh, the indignities none of htem ever documented. Right.

Guy, there are recorded sightings of Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster that have more "documenation" than the spitting incidents.

 

[Auld Phart]

Men who were there at the time, suffered the indignities, and not that much older when they made their statements.


You've wasted enough of my time on this.

Oh, the indignities none of htem ever documented. Right.

Guy, there are recorded sightings of Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster that have more "documenation" than the spitting incidents.

So you call dozens, hundreds, possibly thousands of Viet Nam vets liars.

Enjoy the dungeon

 

[JoeB131]

Boston.com / News / Boston Globe / Opinion / Op-ed / Debunking a spitting image


The exaggerations in Smith's story are characteristic of those told by others. ''Most Vietnam veterans were spat on when we came back," he said. That's not true. A 1971 Harris poll conducted for the Veterans Administration found over 90 percent of Vietnam veterans reporting a friendly homecoming. Far from spitting on veterans, the antiwar movement welcomed them into its ranks and thousands of veterans joined the opposition to the war.

But the psychological dimensions of the betrayal mentality are far more interesting than the legal. Betrayal is about fear, and the specter of self-betrayal is the hardest to dispel. The likelihood that the real danger to America lurks not outside but inside the gates is unsettling. The possibility that it was failure of masculinity itself, the meltdown of the core component of warrior culture, that cost the nation its victory in Vietnam has haunted us ever since.

Many tellers of the spitting tales identify the culprits as girls, a curious quality to the stories that gives away their gendered subtext. Moreover, the spitting images that emerged a decade after the troops had come home from Vietnam are similar enough to the legends of defeated German soldiers defiled by women upon their return from World War I, and the rejection from women felt by French soldiers when they returned from their lost war in Indochina, to suggest something universal and troubling at work in their making. One can reject the presence of a collective subconscious in the projection of those anxieties, as many scholars would, but there is little comfort in the prospect that memories of group spit-ins, like Smith has, are just fantasies conjured in the imaginations of aging veterans.

Remembering the war in Vietnam through the images of betrayal is dangerous because it rekindles the hope that wars like it, in countries where we are not welcomed, can be won. It disparages the reputation of those who opposed that war and intimidates a new generation of activists now finding the courage to resist Vietnam-type ventures in the 21st century.

 

[JoeB131]

So you call dozens, hundreds, possibly thousands of Viet Nam vets liars.

Enjoy the dungeon

So where are the documented accounts if this happened "Thousands" of times?

I really set a pretty low standard, one news article or film clip showing a hippy spitting on a veteran.

 

[hortysir]

Hillary New Hampshire, anyone?

 

[JoeB131]

Hillary New Hampshire, anyone?

Okay. Back to that.

Meaningless. Sanders is from a neighboring state. On the off chance he does win, the Establishment will pull out all the stops for Hillary.

 

[hortysir]

Hillary New Hampshire, anyone?

Okay. Back to that.

Meaningless. Sanders is from a neighboring state. On the off chance he does win, the Establishment will pull out all the stops for Hillary.

Not if Biden takes it

 

[JoeB131]

If Biden runs, and ifBiden puts together an organizaiton in time.
That's already too many "if"s