Has America strategically decided that Europe will soon be a vassal state of communist China and Russia?

[Hafar1014]

Chumpian projection.

War between super powers isnt winnable. They will use internal strategies to destabilize a nation. Americas unrest and riots are all backed by Chinese Russian and socialist money. Democrats are falling in line because they see it as way to gain power.
The stronger our capitalist economies the weaker our enemies are. Iran is collapsing Russia is in serious decline and even China has severe economic problems. America is thriving so we are seeing an increase in internal conflict under the guise of ICE riots

 

[Muhammed]

It appears that the goal is a tri-polar authoritarian world -- China, Russia and America each controlling, by internal force, its own general hemisphere. Those who voted for this, and those who are enabling it in DC and MAGA media, would be responsible for such an outcome.

This is why you only see Trump punching down, like a schoolyard bully. He sees Xi and Putin as his only peers, and anyone else as an impediment, a threat and a target.

What I don't know is if Russia/China have agreed to this on any level, or if this is just the manical ravings of people like Stephen Miller. Trump is clearly unwell and being used as a hammer. Miller has obviously mastered the techniques required to animate him.

Our former friends in Europe now see this, and are working as quickly as they can to retain their freedom. They know that we're not going to help them.

As for us, it's now down to congressional Republicans and American Generals. So we'll see.

That's a far out conspiracy theory you've had to ascribe to due to your TDS affliction.

 

[cnm]

Europe has already chosen tyranny by surrendering their sovereignty to the Oligarchy known as the EU.

Like the states ceded their sovereignty to the oligarchy known as the federal government?

 

[cnm]

That's a far out conspiracy theory you've had to ascribe to due to your TDS affliction.

What do you think is the goal?

 

[cnm]

Socialism and communism must expand and these systems are parasites. Free market capitalism has no reason to conquer since its anti economic growth.

So, when third world countries are shot up by the US, is that to help the US contract?

 

[Muhammed]

What do you think is the goal?

It's to prevent Russian and Chinese control of the arctic. Russia keeps expanding it's nuclear icebreaker fleet.

Control of Greenland is critical to US national security.

 

[sealybobo]

Let us consider the WEF in Davos where Macron gives a speech openly begging China for investment and servitude. Alex Soros there with the gov. of California who is telling Europe to stand up.to HIS U.S president (huh?). Has America come to realize that Europe is probably lost and it is better to focus on the region of North/South America, the Middle Wast and Asia and just allow Europe to deal with their own battles? The U.K under Starmer,.with record low approval, has.allowed a massive, mega Chinese spy embassy to open up, after hiding that intelligence cables were intercepted. by China. Also, pushing digital I.D, a la CCP. Former PM Johnson blocking peace between Russia and Ukraine months into the war. It seems clear to me that America is looking out for their interests and the no longer intersect with Europe, a continent perhaps beyond saving. Am I wrong?

There should be 4 Empires.

China
USA
Russia
Europe (EU)

China has Africa. We get South America, Canada
Europe gets Australia

Who controls India and the Middle East?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We bailed Europe out of two WW2. It's way past time that they provide for their own defense. Our previous president almost turned this country into a vassal State when he let 40 million illegals in.

 

[kyzr]

There should be 4 Empires: China, USA. Russia, Europe (EU)

Russia's economy is smaller than Italy's. Not big enough to be an "economic empire"

China has Africa.

Disagree, Africa will be a checkerboard of alliances.

We get South America, Canada

...and Cuba

Europe gets Australia

Disagree. AUS, Japan, NZ, Philippines, South Korea, and the SE Asia countries including India

Who controls India and the Middle East?

India joins the SE Asia group, and the ME oil emirates are their own wealthy empire

 

[berg80]

Maybe Europe has decided the US is an unreliable ally run by a deluded clown.

European lawmakers suspend U.S. trade deal amid Greenland tariff tensions​

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/21/eur...rade-deal-amid-greenland-tariff-tensions.html

 

[Dorian Mode]

There are way more than two options, and nuclear war isn't one of them.
To your point, China plays the very long game.
The EU needs to rethink its energy sector and immigration policies or they will fail.
The US needs to start paying down the $38T debt or the dollar will collapse.
Other than those its "steady as she goes"...

The USD will collapse when it is no longer a dominant reserve currency. China is working very hard to make that happen. When it does collapse that 38T will be very painful to maintain and we will most likely have to default. As for Europe, they are an old dog with fleas and it's time to stop investing in them. In retrospect, we always thought the Chinese were idiots, and then they outplayed us. Sure they have problems, but they also have great motors for their economy and they are in pole position for the poorer countries of Africa and other places when they finally start serious development. It's a massive market with a lot of potential.

 

[berg80]

It appears that the goal is a tri-polar authoritarian world -- China, Russia and America each controlling, by internal force, its own general hemisphere. Those who voted for this, and those who are enabling it in DC and MAGA media, would be responsible for such an outcome.

This is why you only see Trump punching down, like a schoolyard bully. He sees Xi and Putin as his only peers, and anyone else as an impediment, a threat and a target.

What I don't know is if Russia/China have agreed to this on any level, or if this is just the manical ravings of people like Stephen Miller. Trump is clearly unwell and being used as a hammer. Miller has obviously mastered the techniques required to animate him.

Our former friends in Europe now see this, and are working as quickly as they can to retain their freedom. They know that we're not going to help them.

As for us, it's now down to congressional Republicans and American Generals. So we'll see.

The thing about the Don-Roe doctrine that's interesting is the Monroe Doctrine was never about dominating the hemisphere in the way Dotard wants to. By conquest. It was about a declaration the Americas were closed to further European colonization or interference.

 

[kyzr]

Maybe Europe has decided the US is an unreliable ally run by a deluded clown.

European lawmakers suspend U.S. trade deal amid Greenland tariff tensions​

They can cut their own throats any time they want. Poverty is usually not a wise choice.

 

[Nostra]

Europe is guilty of becoming far too dependent on the USA.

But they don't deserve being thrown under the bus -- a lifetime Trump specialty -- in months without time to prepare. Trump playing the victim -- another lifetime specialty -- is causing great harm to our former friends, our former allies. Much worse because they are under direct military threat from Russia, and trying to help Ukraine.

I know that Trumpsters don't care about that, and I wouldn't try to change their minds.

America alone. We deserve what we get.

Those allies have been ******* us for decades, and you love it.

 

[kyzr]

The USD will collapse when it is no longer a dominant reserve currency. China is working very hard to make that happen. When it does collapse that 38T will be very painful to maintain and we will most likely have to default. As for Europe, they are an old dog with fleas and it's time to stop investing in them. In retrospect, we always thought the Chinese were idiots, and then they outplayed us. Sure they have problems, but they also have great motors for their economy and they are in pole position for the poorer countries of Africa and other places when they finally start serious development. It's a massive market with a lot of potential.

You're speculating what the "Masters of the Universe" will do going forward.
You're also giving China too much credit, they are not a "super-power" yet.
I'm thinking that AI will not be as dominant as its made out to be, we'll see.

 

[Dorian Mode]

You're speculating what the "Masters of the Universe" will do going forward.
You're also giving China too much credit, they are not a "super-power" yet.
I'm thinking that AI will not be as dominant as its made out to be, we'll see.

My guess is the Masters Of The Universe will go where the greatest potential for even more riches lie. It seems they are very pro-China and always have been since they joined the WTO. I also think people are underestimating China and need to drop the pride and realize the western propaganda regarding China is just that - propaganda.

 

[kyzr]

My guess is the Masters Of The Universe will go where the greatest potential for even more riches lie. It seems they are very pro-China and always have been since they joined the WTO. I also think people are underestimating China and need to drop the pride and realize the western propaganda regarding China is just that - propaganda.

I think we agree that we need to put more clamps on China and make them less of a "favored nation".
Not sure what "western propaganda" you are referring to.
Not giving China advanced AI chips is a good start.

 

[Failzero]

What do you think is the goal?

The Browning of America / Cloward Piven