Hamilton Brown, Slave owner and alleged Great times 3 grandfather of Kamala

Hamilton Brown was a Caucasian....Irish, Jamaica plantation and slave owner.

Kamala's father claims that family lore for his black Jamaican grandmother, is that she is a descendant of Hamilton Brown....the slave owner...

If this is true, Kamala's great times two or three grandmother was a black slave of Hamilton Brown's..... many white slave owners raped the slaves they owned, especially slave owners like Hamilton Brown, who loved and defended slavery.



Hamilton Brown
The slave owner at the heart of this controversy died in Jamaica on Sept. 18, 1843, “in the sixty-eighth year of his age.” His headstone is located in St. Mark’s Anglican (Church of England) cemetery in Brown’s Town and establishes that he was born, likely in 1776, in County Antrim, in what is now Northern Ireland.

According to one contemporary news article, he died after he was “thrown from his gig” in a horse-and-carriage accident. Another contemporary news report indicated he first immigrated to Jamaica in or around 1795. According to a National Library of Jamaica entry, Brown “started out humbly as an estate book-keeper and rose to become a large landowner.” He was the founder of Brown’s Town in St. Ann’s parish, which he represented in the colonial House of Assembly for 22 years.

He also owned many slaves. According to one document, held by the U.K. National Archives, Brown owned at least 121 slaves in 1826, comprising 74 females and 47 males. In 1817, he owned at least 124 slaves, made up of 74 females and 50 males. According to records held by the “Legacies of British Slave-Ownership” project at University College London (UCL), Brown was at various times the owner, manager, or executor of several dozen plantations and estates on the island of Jamaica.

Brown was also a steadfast slavery apologist. In contributions to the colonial House of Assembly, he opposed efforts, emanating from mainland Britain (where slavery was by then widely opposed), to “interfere” in the slave trade in Jamaica. In one 1823 speech, he lashed out at the “hypocrisy” and “cloven foot” of William Wilberforce, a British M.P. widely regarded as the hero of the anti-slavery abolitionist movement.

In 1832, a Methodist missionary named Henry Whiteley spent three months in Jamaica, touring the island and inspecting the conditions of life for slaves, and the practices of colonial settlers and slave owners, including Brown. In a pamphlet published the following year, Whiteley recalled that he and Brown discussed the concept of “amelioration” — a gradualist approach to slavery in the 1820s and 1830s which, as distinct from the outright prohibition and extinction of slavery that characterized abolitionism, instead proposed making slavery more humane and tolerable. Brown was opposed even to this, according to Whiteley:

… I was rather startled to hear that Gentleman [Brown] swear by his Maker that [amelioration] should never be adopted in Jamaica; nor would the planters of Jamaica, he said, permit the interference of the Home [London] Government with their slaves in any shape. A great deal was said by him and others present about the happiness and comfort enjoyed by the slaves, and of the many advantages possessed by them of which the poor in England were destitute.

Among other circumstances mentioned in proof of this, Mr. Robinson, a wharfinger [wharf owner], stated that a slave in that town had sent out printed cards to invite a party of his negro acquaintance to a supper party. One of these cards was handed to Mr. Hamilton Brown, who said he would present it to the Governor [imperial viceroy of Jamaica] as proof of the comfortable condition of the slave population.

Notwithstanding that dinner party, the conditions suffered by slaves in Jamaica were far from “comfortable,” and Whiteley’s pamphlet went on to document, in disturbing detail, the punishments meted out to slaves by their owners, which he personally witnessed and described in some cases as “inhumanly severe.”


Whiteley saw slaves, some girls as young as 12 years old, flogged between 40 and 50 times with a horse whip, for supposed misconduct as trivial as over-sleeping or not meeting their assigned work targets. In one case, a man was whipped 39 times despite not having committed any discernible “offense” — rather, one planter had him flogged as a method of petty revenge against the slave’s owner, for some unspecified sleight. Whiteley’s findings about the conditions of life for slaves in Jamaica could not have been further from the outlandish claims made by Brown and his fellow colonial settlers.

Uncertain links
We discovered ample evidence of Brown’s slave ownership and his political and business career on the island of Jamaica. However, details about his immediate family are lacking, by comparison. With the generous and expert assistance of Rachel Lang, a researcher at University College London’s “Legacies of British Slave-Ownership” project, we have managed to piece together the following facts:

A “Hamilton Brown Jnr.” (likely the Antrim slave owner) had a daughter named Mary Melvina Brown, born to an unnamed woman, and baptised on June 4, 1839. The father’s residence was listed as Grier Park (an estate Brown once owned), and the father’s occupation was listed as “Planter.”
Mary Melvina later married a different Hamilton Brown. By him, she gave birth to several children, including Mabel Melvina (born 1879, died 1935); Edwin Hamilton (born 1877, died 1932); and Gilbert Charles Clement (born 1875, died 1948). (In these baptism records, Mary Melvina’s last name and maiden name are both listed as Brown, which makes it highly likely she is the Mary Melvina born to Hamilton Brown in 1839).
We have not yet found a record of a Christiana Brown being born to Mary Melvina Brown.
Her ancestry is less relevant than her own personal history
BLM will go after her over her slave-owning ancestry and her hellish work to imprison black Americans
 
I'll take that as a "No."
The OP supplies the evidence of rape and slavery.


Does it?

did you miss the phrase, " If this is true," in the OP?
Nope, didn't miss it. One could say that about almost anything. What purpose does questioning the story's veracity serve you?

Why do you insist on believing a possible lie?

Even Snopes gives it an "unproven" rating.
Again, almost anything can be characterized as "unproven" or "a possible lie." So..
"What purpose does questioning the story's veracity serve you?"


Personally, I like facts.

Kamala has provided NO facts to back up her assertion her ancestor was raped by a slave owner.

Word of mouth, over several generations.

It fits the 'poor me, I'm the result of the white man taking advantage of the black woman' scenario she loves.

If you cant' see that, you're far more a fool than I originally thought.

Don't bother replying.

twiddling my thumbs is more interesting than your lame debating skills.
 
I'll take that as a "No."
The OP supplies the evidence of rape and slavery.


Does it?

did you miss the phrase, " If this is true," in the OP?
Nope, didn't miss it. One could say that about almost anything. What purpose does questioning the story's veracity serve you?

Why do you insist on believing a possible lie?

Even Snopes gives it an "unproven" rating.
Again, almost anything can be characterized as "unproven" or "a possible lie." So..
"What purpose does questioning the story's veracity serve you?"

Personally, I like facts.
Wow, as do we all, hopefully. So does Snopes, obviously. And you clearly like Snopes. Wonderful.

From your own link then, and despite your "NO facts" assertion, they actually listed and considered all that Kamala and her Dad provided and then some. And, they conclude by answering my question.. at long last (so thanks for that link, and indeed, no need for any more of your dodging, personal insults, and petty BS):

Even if it is the case that the Harris family, by way of Christiana Brown, are descendants of Hamilton Brown, those who seek to attack or undermine Sen. Harris for the wrongdoing of a man who died almost 200 years ago should first gain a better understanding of the often complicated, traumatic histories of black families in the United States — and tread much more carefully.
 
Wow, as do we all, hopefully. So does Snopes, obviously. And you clearly like Snopes. Wonderful.

From your own link then, and despite your "NO facts" assertion, they actually listed and considered all that Kamala and her Dad provided and then some. And, they conclude by answering my question.. at long last (so thanks for that link, and indeed, no need for any more of your dodging, personal insults, and petty BS):

Even if it is the case that the Harris family, by way of Christiana Brown, are descendants of Hamilton Brown, those who seek to attack or undermine Sen. Harris for the wrongdoing of a man who died almost 200 years ago should first gain a better understanding of the often complicated, traumatic histories of black families in the United States — and tread much more carefully.

Well stated, Grumbles.

There are two possibilities, basically: The Harris family lore is true, or it isn't. The point is, no matter which it is, the attempts at smearing Harris as a slave owner by dint of her "family" are so ghoulish, only the worst of racist dipshits could come up with any of it.

The hilarity really starts when another blockhead shows up and deplores the fact Harris didn't provide proof for the smear directed against her. That's actually creative, in a very special way.
 
I know she's up for the job.

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Do you understand that no one today is responsible for what their ancestors have done in the past?

Yup just like no one today should have to pay reparation for those who's ancestors may have been slaves.

Harris isn't responsible for what her ancestors may or may not have done. Only a fool would think that.
 
Her great great ... grandmother drew no benefit from having been owned, neither from having been raped. Neither did any child of that rape. None of the two, nor their offspring, inherited the fruit of slave labor - rather they provided this fruit to the ownership class.

But the White-privilege peddlers try to forge a case against Harris out of being the victims' great great ... grandchild. This is literally insane. There is no plausible other explanation for that bullshit.
Yep! It's utterly insane!!!
 
She's "black" ONLY for political advantage. The
hypocrisy is stifling
Jamaica is not black?


Jamaica isn't America, so its residents aren't "African American. "

And Kamala is only half Jamaican.
You are ill Informed.


What continent does Jamaica belong to?Image: whatarethe7co…
What continent does Jamaica belong to?
North America
The Caribbean island country of Jamaica is part of the continent of North America. Jamaica is the third-largest island country in the Caribbean. Jamaica is an island country located in the Caribbean Sea. It is the third-largest island in the Caribbean at 4,320 square miles
 
Her great great ... grandmother drew no benefit from having been owned, neither from having been raped. Neither did any child of that rape. None of the two, nor their offspring, inherited the fruit of slave labor - rather they provided this fruit to the ownership class.

But the White-privilege peddlers try to forge a case against Harris out of being the victims' great great ... grandchild. This is literally insane. There is no plausible other explanation for that bullshit.

humans being what they are, the assumption that the great great......grandma was a VICTIM is a stretch.
She may have been a very willing ----even a damned
BOSSY and DEMANDING, LOVER. Sex is one of the
great equalizers in all slave societies. Jamaicans are
VERY mixed because of the POWER of sex
 
She's "black" ONLY for political advantage. The
hypocrisy is stifling
Jamaica is not black?

nope---very mixed, not only "racially" --but also
culturally
76% black. Yes a mixture.

where did you get the 76%? Try to cope with history. Back in the day----when Canon law ruled
Jamaica, an OCTAMAROON was judged "black"---
that would be, I believe (but do not quote me)
back in the 17th century
 
Hamilton Brown was a Caucasian....Irish, Jamaica plantation and slave owner.

Kamala's father claims that family lore for his black Jamaican grandmother, is that she is a descendant of Hamilton Brown....the slave owner...

If this is true, Kamala's great times two or three grandmother was a black slave of Hamilton Brown's..... many white slave owners raped the slaves they owned, especially slave owners like Hamilton Brown, who loved and defended slavery.



Hamilton Brown
The slave owner at the heart of this controversy died in Jamaica on Sept. 18, 1843, “in the sixty-eighth year of his age.” His headstone is located in St. Mark’s Anglican (Church of England) cemetery in Brown’s Town and establishes that he was born, likely in 1776, in County Antrim, in what is now Northern Ireland.

According to one contemporary news article, he died after he was “thrown from his gig” in a horse-and-carriage accident. Another contemporary news report indicated he first immigrated to Jamaica in or around 1795. According to a National Library of Jamaica entry, Brown “started out humbly as an estate book-keeper and rose to become a large landowner.” He was the founder of Brown’s Town in St. Ann’s parish, which he represented in the colonial House of Assembly for 22 years.

He also owned many slaves. According to one document, held by the U.K. National Archives, Brown owned at least 121 slaves in 1826, comprising 74 females and 47 males. In 1817, he owned at least 124 slaves, made up of 74 females and 50 males. According to records held by the “Legacies of British Slave-Ownership” project at University College London (UCL), Brown was at various times the owner, manager, or executor of several dozen plantations and estates on the island of Jamaica.

Brown was also a steadfast slavery apologist. In contributions to the colonial House of Assembly, he opposed efforts, emanating from mainland Britain (where slavery was by then widely opposed), to “interfere” in the slave trade in Jamaica. In one 1823 speech, he lashed out at the “hypocrisy” and “cloven foot” of William Wilberforce, a British M.P. widely regarded as the hero of the anti-slavery abolitionist movement.

In 1832, a Methodist missionary named Henry Whiteley spent three months in Jamaica, touring the island and inspecting the conditions of life for slaves, and the practices of colonial settlers and slave owners, including Brown. In a pamphlet published the following year, Whiteley recalled that he and Brown discussed the concept of “amelioration” — a gradualist approach to slavery in the 1820s and 1830s which, as distinct from the outright prohibition and extinction of slavery that characterized abolitionism, instead proposed making slavery more humane and tolerable. Brown was opposed even to this, according to Whiteley:

… I was rather startled to hear that Gentleman [Brown] swear by his Maker that [amelioration] should never be adopted in Jamaica; nor would the planters of Jamaica, he said, permit the interference of the Home [London] Government with their slaves in any shape. A great deal was said by him and others present about the happiness and comfort enjoyed by the slaves, and of the many advantages possessed by them of which the poor in England were destitute.

Among other circumstances mentioned in proof of this, Mr. Robinson, a wharfinger [wharf owner], stated that a slave in that town had sent out printed cards to invite a party of his negro acquaintance to a supper party. One of these cards was handed to Mr. Hamilton Brown, who said he would present it to the Governor [imperial viceroy of Jamaica] as proof of the comfortable condition of the slave population.

Notwithstanding that dinner party, the conditions suffered by slaves in Jamaica were far from “comfortable,” and Whiteley’s pamphlet went on to document, in disturbing detail, the punishments meted out to slaves by their owners, which he personally witnessed and described in some cases as “inhumanly severe.”


Whiteley saw slaves, some girls as young as 12 years old, flogged between 40 and 50 times with a horse whip, for supposed misconduct as trivial as over-sleeping or not meeting their assigned work targets. In one case, a man was whipped 39 times despite not having committed any discernible “offense” — rather, one planter had him flogged as a method of petty revenge against the slave’s owner, for some unspecified sleight. Whiteley’s findings about the conditions of life for slaves in Jamaica could not have been further from the outlandish claims made by Brown and his fellow colonial settlers.

Uncertain links
We discovered ample evidence of Brown’s slave ownership and his political and business career on the island of Jamaica. However, details about his immediate family are lacking, by comparison. With the generous and expert assistance of Rachel Lang, a researcher at University College London’s “Legacies of British Slave-Ownership” project, we have managed to piece together the following facts:

A “Hamilton Brown Jnr.” (likely the Antrim slave owner) had a daughter named Mary Melvina Brown, born to an unnamed woman, and baptised on June 4, 1839. The father’s residence was listed as Grier Park (an estate Brown once owned), and the father’s occupation was listed as “Planter.”
Mary Melvina later married a different Hamilton Brown. By him, she gave birth to several children, including Mabel Melvina (born 1879, died 1935); Edwin Hamilton (born 1877, died 1932); and Gilbert Charles Clement (born 1875, died 1948). (In these baptism records, Mary Melvina’s last name and maiden name are both listed as Brown, which makes it highly likely she is the Mary Melvina born to Hamilton Brown in 1839).
We have not yet found a record of a Christiana Brown being born to Mary Melvina Brown.
LOL.........
If this is true, Kamala's great times two or three grandmother was a black slave of Hamilton Brown's..... many white slave owners raped the slaves they owned, especially slave owners like Hamilton Brown, who loved and defended slavery."

You ASSume. Back then and especially on the islands, it was not uncommon to have black women be willing companions of plantation owners and live with the owners as their wife. Many of the worst slavers were these mixed couple or their offspring that inherited the slaves.

this said.....Brown from what I read before was more than just a plantation owner but a BROTHEL owner which would explain his odd number of female slaves. He likely had a huge number of kids and many mix kids that he couldn't know who their sperm donor actually was. He likely had many bastards------------hence why tracking down their lineage via records is impossible. Our Ho Kamala is probably the descendent of hookers and pimps. Do a DNA test to see if she is related to brown-----tracking down paper records is going to be almost impossible for hookers and the bastard children.
 
NOPE
.... Indians are Caucasian.
Actually, if you're referring to American Indians, they are of mostly mongoloid descent- Indian Indians are a mix of mostly Negroid descent-

wrong again----I referred to INDIAN INDIANS-----people of the Indus valley and its precincts.
CAUCASIAN. Indira Gandhi----Nehru-----etc etc CAUCASIAN. Even the charming little
almost black DRAVIDIANS -----caucasian. "DESCENT"??? they have been Indus valley people for more than five thousand years except for lots of the BRAHMINS-------ARYANS
 

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