Hamas polices border after IDF kills man

[docmauser1]

"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Kewl. Any "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" UN resolutions on it, bth., to feel kewler?

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

Let us review the full UNSCOP remark "The only solution of tile problem put forward by the Arab Higher Committee was the immediate establishment of all independent Arab Government, which would deal with the 400.000 Jews now in Palestine as it thought fit." Like killing jews and plundering of the jewish infidel property, of course.

 

[irosie91]

georgie-----read the koran, talk to some jews from countries which were invaded by arabs and learn some history. The arab intolerance for jews dates back to time of the rapist pig who hated anyone who did not lick his ass and comitted a COMPREHENSIVE genocide of all those who so refused in arabia------his ass lickers followed similar policies in the lands they invaded -----which ALL HAD JEWISH POPULATIONS when they were so invaded. The differences between the victim jewish populations and christian populations was-----christians had a lot more choice places to go-----like CHRISTIAN EUROPE -------for jews that choice was the choice between really bad ---and maybe worse -----and that is the history of the situation. you have the outline-----it will be easy for you to fill in details.

 

[Hollie]

"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel..."

"Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions led to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising,[40] and economic conditions in the city worsened."

Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

In 1967 the Jews expanded their colonies by a factor of three with another one million Arabs subject to Israeli occupation, and three years later, Moshe Dayan explained the intricacies of the occupation by telling Palestinian refugees in the territories we have no solution, you will continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where that process leads.

The occupation you allege to be confused about is perfectly clear to the UNSC, The International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice, Amnesty International, and the US State Department.

Maybe some of the "Jews" living in the occupied territories should go back to Russia?

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

Nonsense. The "palestinians" were Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian and other arab squatters who upheld the writ of their politico-religious ideology which includes insensate Jew hatred as a core value.

 

[Hollie]

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

You claim there is no border. So Israel, by your logic, is free to occupy settle and control any land that is NOT part of a Sovereign Nation State. Because you see, Israel IS a Sovereign Nation State.

Not so.

Everything inside Israel's borders is theirs. Everything that is not is not.

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,...

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

Palestine is a state according to the Palestinians. They don't need Israel's recognition or approval.

"Palestine" is not a state, in spite of your insistence otherwise. “Islamic terrorist” enclave is a better description.

In concert with the islamic terrorists (Jew haters) you so admire, there will never be peace as long as virulent Jew hatred is a hallmark of islamic ideology. After Sadat's visit to Israel in 1976, and the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan (GIVING BACK Sinai) there may have been a chance for co-existence but that was nixed when the Muslim Brotherhood had Sadat assissinated. Then, when suicide bombing of schools, buses, restaurants, hotels, weddings, etc; the rejection of the Clinton pease plan by Arafat in 2000 and 2001; and the arming of south Lebanon (after Israel withdrew, giving back land) and especially Gaza after Israel unilaterally withdrew (again giving back land), the election of Hamas (whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel) and then the coup by Hamas and the rain of rockets upon Sderot...well, we know where this is going.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

Nonsense. The "palestinians" were Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian and other arab squatters who upheld the writ of their politico-religious ideology which includes insensate Jew hatred as a core value.

Standard Israeli bullshit.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You claim there is no border. So Israel, by your logic, is free to occupy settle and control any land that is NOT part of a Sovereign Nation State. Because you see, Israel IS a Sovereign Nation State.

Not so.

Everything inside Israel's borders is theirs. Everything that is not is not.

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,...

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

Palestine is a state according to the Palestinians. They don't need Israel's recognition or approval.

"Palestine" is not a state, in spite of your insistence otherwise. “Islamic terrorist” enclave is a better description.

In concert with the islamic terrorists (Jew haters) you so admire, there will never be peace as long as virulent Jew hatred is a hallmark of islamic ideology. After Sadat's visit to Israel in 1976, and the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan (GIVING BACK Sinai) there may have been a chance for co-existence but that was nixed when the Muslim Brotherhood had Sadat assissinated. Then, when suicide bombing of schools, buses, restaurants, hotels, weddings, etc; the rejection of the Clinton pease plan by Arafat in 2000 and 2001; and the arming of south Lebanon (after Israel withdrew, giving back land) and especially Gaza after Israel unilaterally withdrew (again giving back land), the election of Hamas (whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel) and then the coup by Hamas and the rain of rockets upon Sderot...well, we know where this is going.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

According to one author, by 1988, more than 100 countries had recognized Palestine.[157] Boyle reported in 1990 that the number was 114 states.[95] In 2005, Anat Kurz reported that 117 United Nations member states had formally recognised the state of Palestine as a sovereign state.[158] In 2010, Boyle reported that the number was 127.[159]

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

from tinnie----a non-specific islamo nazi fart>>>

"Standard Israeli bullshit."
"You should be ashamed of yourself."


tinnie----non specific cyber farts are silly-----if you want to call
something "bullshit" you should be able to state just what
the putative bull shit is other that -----just admitting that you are a pile thereof

 

[P F Tinmore]

from tinnie----a non-specific islamo nazi fart>>>

"Standard Israeli bullshit."
"You should be ashamed of yourself."


tinnie----non specific cyber farts are silly-----if you want to call
something "bullshit" you should be able to state just what
the putative bull shit is other that -----just admitting that you are a pile thereof

Nah, it was just pure, unadulterated bullshit.

 

[docmauser1]

Nonsense. The "palestinians" were Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian and other arab squatters who upheld the writ of their politico-religious ideology which includes insensate Jew hatred as a core value.

Standard Israeli bullshit.

In memorable words of the 1937 Royal Commission Report "This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.".
Palistanians should embrace their illegal immigrant roots and attain mental balance and peace.

 

[georgephillip]

From your link:

"Jabari is behind you'

"Omar Qdeish, a witness and relative of the man who was killed said he 'was trying to put a Hamas flag on the fence' when he was shot.

"The army fired three times into the air. Anwar shouted at them 'Jabari is behind you', then they shot him in the head,' he told Reuters."

Time for Israel to remove all manifestations of its illegal occupation (effective control) including "security fences?"

A far better response to rock throwing across the border and adventurous attempts
to breach the border would be High Speed rocking throwing. The IDF could train rock throwers in accuracy and high speed----using specifically designed
rocks that will render the criminal attempting to violate the cease fire----permanently
"not a future threat"

An even better response would be for all Jews to face the demographics and give up their long quest for an apartheid state in the Land of Israel.

 

[georgephillip]

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

You claim there is no border. So Israel, by your logic, is free to occupy settle and control any land that is NOT part of a Sovereign Nation State. Because you see, Israel IS a Sovereign Nation State.

So what IS the Sovereign State of Israel's Eastern border?

 

[docmauser1]

So what IS the Sovereign State of Israel's Eastern border?

Oh, that's easy. Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty. Annex I (a). Israel-Jordan International Boundary Delimitation and Demarcation. Simple, isn't it

 

[toastman]

from tinnie----a non-specific islamo nazi fart>>>

"Standard Israeli bullshit."
"You should be ashamed of yourself."


tinnie----non specific cyber farts are silly-----if you want to call
something "bullshit" you should be able to state just what
the putative bull shit is other that -----just admitting that you are a pile thereof

Nah, it was just pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Nope. irosie is 100% right. You previous response was a nazi fart.


Actually, almost all your responses are nazi farts.

 

[toastman]

So what IS the Sovereign State of Israel's Eastern border?

Oh, that's easy. Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty. Annex I (a). Israel-Jordan International Boundary Delimitation and Demarcation. Simple, isn't it

damn! georgie just got owned !

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nonsense. The "palestinians" were Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian and other arab squatters who upheld the writ of their politico-religious ideology which includes insensate Jew hatred as a core value.

Standard Israeli bullshit.

In memorable words of the 1937 Royal Commission Report "This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.".
Palistanians should embrace their illegal immigrant roots and attain mental balance and peace.

For every 1000 Jews who immigrated there were 38 Arabs.

One report said that Arab immigration was "insignificant."

The number of Arabs declined from about 93% at the turn of the century to about 65% by 1947.

 

[Jos]

In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine under terms similar to the Balfour Declaration.[65] The population of the area at this time was predominantly Arab and Muslim, with Jews accounting for about 11% of the population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Muslim_rule

 

[docmauser1]

Standard Israeli bullshit.

In memorable words of the 1937 Royal Commission Report "This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.".
Palistanians should embrace their illegal immigrant roots and attain mental balance and peace.

For every 1000 Jews who immigrated there were 38 Arabs. One report said that Arab immigration was "insignificant." The number of Arabs declined from about 93% at the turn of the century to about 65% by 1947.

That's why, in memorable words of Winnie Churchill, "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

 

[SAYIT]

Standard Israeli bullshit.[/size][/i]

In memorable words of the 1937 Royal Commission Report "This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.".
Palistanians should embrace their illegal immigrant roots and attain mental balance and peace.

For every 1000 Jews who immigrated there were 38 Arabs.

One report said that Arab immigration was "insignificant."

The number of Arabs declined from about 93% at the turn of the century to about 65% by 1947.

According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy the Arab Muslim population of Palestine in 1900 was about 500,000. McCarthy estimates they numbered 1.2mil by 1947, an increase of nearly 150% in just 47 years.
US population increased by 90% in the same period.
Clearly the number of Arabs did not decline as you claim.

 

[docmauser1]

In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine under terms similar to the Balfour Declaration. The population of the area at this time was predominantly Arab and Muslim, with Jews accounting for about 11% of the population

Yesss! I knew jews have always been present there with a jewish majority in Jerusalem since about 1896!

 

[toomuchtime_]

"In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to be part of an Arab state in western Palestine but was occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel..."

"Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions led to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising,[40] and economic conditions in the city worsened."

Gaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That "Arab intolerance of Jews dating back all the way to the 1920s" came from the realization that some Jews wanted all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River for themselves. In 1948 one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish state by force of arms upon the majority of all Palestinians.

In 1967 the Jews expanded their colonies by a factor of three with another one million Arabs subject to Israeli occupation, and three years later, Moshe Dayan explained the intricacies of the occupation by telling Palestinian refugees in the territories we have no solution, you will continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where that process leads.

The occupation you allege to be confused about is perfectly clear to the UNSC, The International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice, Amnesty International, and the US State Department.

Maybe some of the "Jews" living in the occupied territories should go back to Russia?

So it seems ok to you that the Arabs were intolerant of all Jews because they believed some Jews wanted all the land? They were intolerant of all Jews because of what some Jews thought?

It is silly and it isn't even true. Arab anti semitism dates back to the founding of Islam and was codified in the legal systems of all the countries in the greater ME, and Arab pogroms, massacres of Jews, began (first recorded) in the 11th century, right in the middle of the Golden Age of Islam, lauded for its culture of tolerance, and continued right down into the mid 20th century.

The intolerance and violence that greeted the Jews who moved to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century was not based on what some Arabs may have believed some Jews were thinking but was just a continuation of hostile attitudes and violent behaviors toward Jews that had characterized Arab cultures for centuries. The massacres of Jews in the 1920's wasn't about nationalism, they were incited by false rumors that the Jews were attacking al Aksa, and the second intifada was also precipitated by the false rumor that Jews were attacking al Aksa. A thousand years ago Arabs massacred Jews because they were considered enemies of Islam and in 2000 Arabs massacred Jews because they were called enemies of Islam. This intolerant and violent behavior toward Jews in a core value in Arab cultures and it is from this that all the problems of the region spring and it is this that makes negotiated settlements impossible.

It is not just what some Jews thought. It was becoming known that the Zionists planned to take over Palestine. This was confirmed when Britain landed with the Balfour declaration in its pocket.

All of the Palestinians actions were to defend their country from this planned takeover.

It's this kind of twisted, hate filled, xenophobic thinking about Jews that led to all the troubles in the region. How could the Arabs (which Arabs?) have known what the Zionists planned to do when there was no agreement among the early Zionists? There were nearly as many proposals as there were settlers. Some wanted a new Jewish state with the borders of the kingdom of David, which would have taken them all the way into Iraq, and some would have been content with a measure of autonomous Jewish government under British/League of Nations rule, and before that under Ottoman rule. The consensus that emerged, that the Jews must have a sovereign state of their own in the region, was forged in the fire of Arab intolerance of Jews and the violence it produced and the failure of the British to control it and to live up to their obligation under the Mandate to establish a Jewish homeland, not necessarily a state.

The Arab massacres of Jews in Hebron and Haifa in the 1920's had the same root cause, almost the exact precipitating cause, as the Araqb massacres of Jews in Granada and Cordoba in the 11th century, Arab intolerance of Jews, and it is just as much a core value of Arab culture today, as you demonstrate, as it was a thousand years ago.