Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I must have missed it.

I think you know exactly what I'm talking about, and you're trying to equivocate your way out from under the fact of what Netanyahu said.

It's his words.You support the idea or you dont. Instead of complaining to strangers, take a position.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Anyone who pays attention to him understands how duplicitous Netanyahu is.

For those interested, Google his comments just today. Be prepared for the typical Netanyahu doublespeak, as he navigates his way through bragging about war crimes.

One oart that stands out is how he wants them to leave and wants to control all of Gaza, but wont "push" them to leave. While bombing residential areas and destroying their homes and infrastructure systematically. Which is "pushing them out".

Duplicitous.

 

[Jroc]

People don't want to live the under the rule of the barbarians , who beat and slaughter their own people..... No matter how much you fools hate Jews...that ain't happening

 

[Shusha]

I think you know exactly what I'm talking about, and you're trying to equivocate your way out from under the fact of what Netanyahu said.

I am trying to ask you how you came to change your mind from "Israel is rightly defending itself" to "Israel is driving out the Arab population of Gaza". What changed your beliefs?

It's his words.You support the idea or you dont. Instead of complaining to strangers, take a position.

I posted the official stance of the Israeli government. Doesn't say anything about forcibly transferring the population of Gaza elsewhere.

If you want to discuss Netanyahu's actual words, you will have to indulge me by letting me know which words you would like to discuss.

With respect to forcible transfer, my moral stance is clear and consistent: I condemn it. BUT I condemn it for everyone. That means the Jewish people can not be forced out of places they live (despite what the UN has suggested.) Is that your moral stance as well?

 

[Shusha]

One part that stands out is how he wants them to leave and wants to control all of Gaza, but wont "push" them to leave. While bombing residential areas and destroying their homes and infrastructure systematically. Which is "pushing them out".

I disagree with your assessment of the situation. Israel, as part of its war aims, must dismantle the military infrastructure. This includes the tunnels, and all their entrances/exits; booby-trapped buildings; command centers; gathered intelligence; weapons caches. Building this military infrastructure into and under civilian infrastructure and then drawing Israel into a war has these sorts of consequences. Surely, you don't expect Israel to leave all this military infrastructure in place?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes, we know the LIE of Zionism, that they made the desert bloom in a land without a people.

The reality, the people there were just fine until Europe started dumping their Jews there.

Bullcrap, the Jews were constantly persecuted both legally and illegally by the Muslims. The persecution only got worse after the British and French took over from the Ottoman after WW 1.

Actually, your numbers are wrong. The population of Palestine in 1890 was 432,000 Muslims and 57,000 Christians (but only 43,000 Jews)

So the population increased by 1100%. Sounds impressive.

Now, the entire world population 1.6 Billion compared to 8.2 Billion today. So there's been a 400% increase in the Global population.

But probably other factors are in play here. More traditional third world people's have more children. The Ottomans probably weren't particularly good at taking Censuses and the Arabs were unlikely to cooperate with them.

Tourists to the Jerusalem area during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries claimed the area was very sparsely populated desert with a few struggling farms and many goat herds that destroyed all vegetation.

Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) visited the area just post ACW here are excerpts from what he thought about proto-Israel:
"...A century and a half ago, Twain traveled on an excursion with his American church group to Europe and the Middle East. The material he gathered, first published in a San Francisco newspaper, formed the basis of the humorous book that made him hugely popular: The Innocents Abroad...." "...throughout Innocents Abroad, Twain explicitly states that the area was desolate and devoid of inhabitants. His group entered Palestine from the north, passing through such sites as the Sea of Galilee, the Banias, Nazareth, Jenin and Nablus.Riding on horseback through the Jezreel Valley, Twain observed, “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for 30 miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles, hereabouts, and not see 10 human beings.”He continues, “Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince... Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land? “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies.”Twain was not alone in his poor impression of the land of milk and honey. Historians and travelers alike made similarly dreary observations over the centuries...."





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Mark Twain's visit to Palestine in 1867, documented in "The Innocents Abroad," portrayed the region as desolate and uninviting, a perspective that has been both criticized and utilized in various narratives about the land.

Twain's Descriptions​

During his travels, Twain described Palestine as a "desolate country" with "rich soil" that was "given over wholly to weeds." He noted the lack of human presence, stating, "we never saw a human being on the whole route" and remarked on the absence of trees and vegetation, calling it a "silent mournful expanse". His observations painted a picture of a land that was largely uninhabited and neglected, which has been interpreted in various ways over the years.
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Historical Context​

Twain's journey occurred during a time when the region was under Ottoman rule, and his descriptions reflected the conditions he observed during the hot Mediterranean summer. His comments have often been cited in discussions about the historical state of Palestine, particularly in the context of Zionist narratives that emphasize the transformation of the land following Jewish immigration and settlement.
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Conclusion​

Mark Twain's reflections on Palestine provide a fascinating glimpse into 19th-century perceptions of the region. His descriptions, while vivid and impactful, have also been the subject of significant debate regarding their interpretation and the broader historical context of Palestine. As such, Twain's work continues to resonate in discussions about the land and its history today."

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am trying to ask you how you came to change your mind from "Israel is rightly defending itself" to "Israel is driving out the Arab population of Gaza

And I fully explained. The only response you had was, "Bibi ain't say that.", which was demonstrably false.

I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well, the French weren't in Palestine; they were in Syria.

The British were the ones who passed the Balfour Declaration inviting Europe's Jews to move to Palestine. This was after they lied to the Arabs and told them they would support independence from the Ottomans.

the main purpose of the Balfour Declaration was to encourage the Jewish Revolutionaries who just overthrew the Tsar to stay in WWI.

The British are truly masters of screwing thing up.

You are correct, but they took part in the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire so they and their views are relevant. And I agree with you about the Brits, almost all the problems the world faces in the Middle East are directly attributable to the British; especially all the conflicts inside Israel where the Brits intermingled Muslim and Jewish settlement in a manner that made both indefensible and almost guaranteed conflict between the always hostile religions. Under the League of Nations Mandate for Transjordan, the Muslims were supposed to get Jordan as their homeland/nation and the Jews were supposed to get the remainder as their homeland/nation Israel.

 

[Shusha]

And I fully explained. The only response you had was, "Bibi ain't say that.", which was demonstrably false.

I don't know what else to tell you.

In other words, "I changed my mind because Netanyahu said something, which I refuse to reveal." Got it.

 

[Lisa558]

In other words, "I changed my mind because a Jewish leader said something, which I refuse to reveal." Got it.

Fixed it for you,

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In other words, "I changed my mind because Netanyahu said something, which I refuse to reveal." Got it.

No, I also mentioned deeds. You ignored that part.

And I clearly directed everyone to Bibi's most recent comments from today.

Notice every post by you is just a troll fail, at this point.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Anyone who pays attention to him understands how duplicitous Netanyahu is.

For those interested, Google his comments just today. Be prepared for the typical Netanyahu doublespeak, as he navigates his way through bragging about war crimes.

One oart that stands out is how he wants them to leave and wants to control all of Gaza, but wont "push" them to leave. While bombing residential areas and destroying their homes and infrastructure systematically. Which is "pushing them out".

Duplicitous.

Again you show yourself to be just another ignorant bigot. There is no systematic bombing of residential areas but there is an intense pursuit of Hamas wherever they are, even in residential areas. Every attack by the IDF in which civilians may be harmed has to be certified by a legal team to be in compliance with International Humanitarian law and IHL does not allow attacks that are not militarily necessary.

AI Overview


Based on the provided search results,
it is accurate to state that Israeli lawyers are involved in the approval process for military attacks, but the final decision ultimately rests with the commander.
Here's a breakdown of the role of Israeli lawyers in the military approval process:

• Legal advisers in the IDF, particularly those within the Military Advocate General's (MAG) Corps, review potential targets and strikes to ensure compliance with International Humanitarian Law (IHL).
• They provide legal advice during the planning stages and throughout military operations.
• If a lawyer determines that a target is not lawful, the commander cannot proceed with the attack.
• The MAG Corps maintains the ability to provide legal advice in emergencies and during wartime.
• The Military Prosecution, a part of the MAG Corps, oversees investigations and prosecutions of alleged misconduct by IDF soldiers in operational contexts.
• Investigations into alleged violations of IHL and related misconduct are typically initiated by the MAG Corps, often in response to complaints or information suggesting wrongdoing.
• The MAG Corps is involved in all stages of military operations, including training soldiers and commanders on the Law of Armed Conflict.

In essence, Israeli lawyers act as a check on military operations to ensure adherence to legal frameworks, particularly IHL. However, they do not have the final say on whether an attack proceeds. That power resides with the military commander.



Again, if you were not quite so ignorant and bigoted, you would know that before the war when Israel had no presence in Gaza, nearly a third of the Gazans wanted to leave an nearly half of young Gazans wanted to leave.

AI Overview


Reports from before the current conflict in Gaza indicate a significant number of Palestinians, particularly young people, were considering emigration
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A poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research taken just before the war found that 31% of the overall Gazan population and 44% of youth (ages 18-29) were considering emigrating. The top reasons cited for wanting to leave were economic, followed by political reasons, educational opportunities, security, and corruption.
Even before the extensive destruction caused by the war, Gaza faced high unemployment and economic hardship, leading many to seek opportunities elsewhere. Turkey, Germany, Canada, and Qatar were among the top desired destinations.

More recent posts show that half the people of Gaza want to leave, and it is true that in all wars people want to leave the war zone, so there is no need for you to make up stories about them being driven out.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is no systematic bombing of residential areas

None of what I say makes me a bigot. Stop being a sniveling little *****.

And yes, they are systematically bombing residential areas and infrastructure. And they plan to conquer all of Gaza. Which clearly they are doing.

And yes they are using this as encouragemeny for Gazans to "voluntarily migrate", while claiming they are not "pushing them" to do so.

 

[Shusha]

No, I also mentioned deeds. You ignored that part.

And I clearly directed everyone to Bibi's most recent comments from today.

Are you fluent in Hebrew?

 

[Lisa558]

None of what I say makes me a bigot. Stop being a sniveling little *****.

And yes, they are systematically bombing residential areas and infrastructure. And they plan to conquer all of Gaza. Which clearly they are doing.

And yes they are using this as encouragemeny for Gazans to "voluntarily migrate", while claiming they are not "pushing them" to do so.

It’s been almost 3 years, and the Islamists are continuing to deliberately starve hostages and have not given up on their goal to destroy Israel and genocide all her Jews.

Israel has shown remarkable restraint in trying to reduce civilian casualties - a goal made more difficult because the Muslim terrorists are using civilians as body armor. But how many countries that have been victimized by a surprise, barbaric attack actually give food to the people of the enemy and hold off on bombings so the antisemitic Palestinians - the majority of whom supported the savage massacre - clearing a path for their escape.

Is Ukraine giving food to the Russian civilians? Are they giving warnings so they can leave?

The impossible standards set for the Jews is due to antisemitism.

 

[toomuchtime_]

None of what I say makes me a bigot. Stop being a sniveling little *****.

And yes, they are systematically bombing residential areas and infrastructure. And they plan to conquer all of Gaza. Which clearly they are doing.

And yes they are using this as encouragemeny for Gazans to "voluntarily migrate", while claiming they are not "pushing them" to do so.

You clearly embrace anything negative said about Israel and dismiss anything positive about Israel, which clearly identifies you as a bigot, but as your post show you are a particularly ignorant bigot.

While you pretend to be criticizing Netanyahu, when you spout lies about Israel driving the Gazans out you are condemning not just the whole structure of the IDF but the whole legal system in Israel, which have the responsibility of making sure the IDF abides by IHL, and virtually the entire political system; with that false claim you are trashing the entire culture and social and political system in Israel.

I understand you feel compelled to tell these lies because it has become fashionable among Democrats to do so, but no matter what reason you have for behaving like a bigot, when you behave like a bigot you are a bigot.

 

[Lisa558]

You clearly embrace anything negative said about Israel and dismiss anything positive about Israel, which clearly identifies you as a bigot, but as your post show you are a particularly ignorant bigot.

While you pretend to be criticizing Netanyahu, when you spout lies about Israel driving the Gazans out you are condemning not just the whole structure of the IDF but the whole legal system in Israel, which have the responsibility of making sure the IDF abides by IHL, and virtually the entire political system; with that false claim you are trashing the entire culture and social and political system in Israel.

I understand you feel compelled to tell these lies because it has become fashionable among Democrats to do so, but no matter what reason you have for behaving like a bigot, when you behave like a bigot you are a bigot.

Sadly, it’s now “cool” among Democrats to hate Jews.

 

[JoeB131]

We didn't need the Turks to take a census we were there letting them flock into work from Egypt from Syria from Lebanon , Jordan from all these areas and then all the sudden they started calling themselves Palestinians in the 60s

Right... I know this is part of the Zionist schtick, deny there was anyone there, and then claim you cheated those people out of their land fair and square.

This is what has gotten you chased out of every country in Europe. It's like you never learn.

 

[JoeB131]

Bullcrap, the Jews were constantly persecuted both legally and illegally by the Muslims. The persecution only got worse after the British and French took over from the Ottoman after WW 1.

Actually, it was kind of the opposite.

While Christians were driving Jews out of various parts of Europe, the Islamic world welcomed them with open arms. Until they turned around and screwed them.

 

[JoeB131]

Sadly, it’s now “cool” among Democrats to hate Jews.

Naw, the behavior has always been "uncool" among the left.

The Zionists are the only ones still doing it.