Chuck, this is absolutely fascinating stuff. Thank you for posting it this morning that I could save it to my favorites and visit this site. You know, it is through the study of the Hebrew words that we can unlock the scriptures to a far greater depth than studying it out in the Greek, etc Concordance study such as I have. I have the Strongs Concordance but it just isn't enough! I am planning on taking a course in Hebrew study of bible words - it should help me alot - in the meantime - If you get a chance see if you can find anything from him on the judgment on Egypt that follows the destruction of Damascus that leaves it in a heap of ruins. I think we are almost there. I know when the time of Egypts judgment comes that according to Isaiah chapter 19? It is one or two chaps after Isaiah 17: 1 -14 that it goes into Egypts judgment - it says that the Egyptians will have turned against one another - every man against his brother, they will literally be fighting in the streets against one another - again we see it happening right now - - anyhow - in Obadiah prophecy - which is directly linked to these judgments on Syria, Edom, Egypt, - its also linked to Psalm 83 - that was a prophecy - not just a pretty Psalm - I'd like to know more about that as I know that Egypt becomes an un-inhabitable waste land - the description must be nuclear - I think the timing of it has to do with when they try to over run the borders of Israel? - still there is a remnant that repent to the LORD and I'd like to hear more about that. I am praying for all the Egyptian people that whosoever would call upon the name of the LORD would be saved. Gods arm isn't too short to reach the very worst of them. Speaking of which the Hamas Leaders son accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and lives in the USA now. His testimony is on youtube. Thanks.
- Jeri
Ive never sat down and time lined everything. So Syria is supposed to be the first destroyed followed by Egypt? Where does Iran and Iraq come in? Which is the prophecy in Obadiah? Not up on my Old Testament like I should be.
Avatar, I enjoy reading your posts and consider you very knowledgable about the bible. I doubt I would know the OT any better than you do. The only reason I dig in with the Hebrew prophets is because of how it affects Israel. ( and they minister to me also )
So with that said, let me share with you what I know from reading the prophets and also from reading others who have studied it. The only one I prefer to read these days is a scholar by the name of John P. McTernan. I bought his book As America Has Done to Israel and I find he is the one who is most in alignment with how I believe it will unfold. I highly recommend anyone who hasn't read that book to buy it. He's a great teacher!
I'm going to start off by disagreeing with him though on who goes first. John believes that it is Iraq. ( So does Perry Stone & a few others I've read - still John is the best imo ) Why? Because in Obadiah prophecies he lists Iraq as Babylon. I disagree. They have the wrong Babylon. It's America. Read Rev. 18 and you'll see Mystery Babylon surrounded by many waters. That cannot be Iraq. Iraq is landlocked. So the first one to go down is America.
There are 3 battles that have yet to happen. Obadiahs war, Ezekiels war and the final one, Armageddon. The nations who are facing judgment in this next war are as follows:
The Palestinians, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. God judges those nations when they attempt to annihilate Israel. So let's go to the prophets and see what they have to say about the first war.
First war opens with this verse from Isaiah: For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the contraversy of Zion. - Isaiah 34:8
The bible refers first to Israeli - Palestinian conflict. Listen to Obadiah here:
The day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done ( to Israel ) it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head and the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Essau stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them, and there shall not be any remaining in the house of Essau; for the LORD hath spoken it. And they of the south shall possess the mount of Essau, and the of the plain the Philistines; and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria; and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. ( Obadiah 1:15, 18 - 19)
So the war erupts with between the "House of Jacob" and the "House of Essau" and the House of Essau is the Palestinians. It is this war that will drive the Palestinians out of the land that was given to the seed of Jacob ( The Jews ) So what Obadiah is telling us here is that Israel shall possess the plain of the Philistines, which is Gaza. As you know, right now the Palestinians are in possession of Gaza. That is about to change. Also Ephraim and Samaria which is located in the West Bank are under Israeli control and also Gilead which is the east bank of the Jordan River and this is from my study of John McTernan who I believe had nailed it dead on..
Now we go to Syria next. You'll find her future in Isaiah 17: 1- 14 I'll just quote the first few verses here:
The burden of Damascus, behold Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.. the fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant from Syria; they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the Lord of Hosts. And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.
This is something I have never told the Jews before as I don't like the news out of this one but it is going to happen so we may as well get it over with here. John points out in his book that Ephraim was a name for Israel. During this war Israel takes a hard hit. Military power ceases according to his intrepretation and I believe he is right. At the same time, Syria ceases to be a nation. When Obadiah speaks of Jacob made thin and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean he is telling us that Israel is going to lose a large portion of her population.
This battle is going to be horrific and when the destruction of Syria happens we know the Day of the Lord is drawing near. Israel WILL SURVIVE but she is going to have a huge loss of lives in this battle. It grieves me deeply to say this but I don't believe there is any other way to interpret that scripture. It is going to be bad. John McTernan has correctly interpreted the war of Obadiah in my opinion. With the exception of his belief that Babylon is Iraq as I stated earlier - I believe it is America. Let's go ahead and look at Egypt - that one is in Joel 3
Egypt is a desolation, and Edom shall be desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in the land. - Joel 3:19
Now go to Ezekiel 29:9-12 and note this is before the second war ( Ezekiels war ) which goes down in Ezekiel 38.
The land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate 40 years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.
Let's stop there. This prophecy has not yet happened. The reason the Egyptians are scattered among nations is because the land is uninhabitable due to a nuclear strike although it might be considered a limited strike it will drive everything out of that land - man, woman, child, animal, everything is either going to die or flee to a far off nation. That is what is coming for the Egyptians. As I read Isaiah yesterday it did come to my mind that right now they are fighting against each other as predicted in Isaiah 19 and this is the lead up to it I believe..
Then according to Zephaniah's prophecy we see that Ammon, Moab and Edom will be destroyed - which is modern day Jordan. They get dragged into it in the first battle between house of Essau and house of Jacob and in Zephaniah 2: 8,9 you see that they are destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah. Only Edom is not mentioned in this one. Still those three nations do make up modern day Jordan so perhaps a piece of it survives? I don't know. Anyhow, it does appear that the Palestinians will be the cause of entire nations being destroyed in this next war. Those would be Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon and again according to the scholar McTernan he believe it is nuclear and I must agree with his analysis. It must be. Otherwise why would the land be uninhabitable? You see?
In closing, I like was John McTernan said in his book about Israel. He said God has set the nation of Israel like a trap, and Jerusalem is the bait.
I like that. I think he is spot on. Again.
Avatar, if you will look at the list of nations that march against Israel in the second war after this one you'll notice that it is a Russian Led - Islamic Army - the leaders name means Prince. Intereresting enough the name Vladimir means Prince. Will Vladmir Putin be the one to lead that "Final March Towards the South" that "VLADIMIR ZHIRINOVSKY" wrote about in his book? Or is it Vladimir Zhirinovsky? My bet is on Vladimir Zhirinovsky because when Putin strikes America he will have to step out of the way and allow "Mad Vlad" ( as he is known ) to step into his shoes. I imagine the international community will demand such a thing. ( I am guessing here - could be a Vladimir 20 yrs from now we don't know about - but it is interesting - you have to admit )
The second war, Ezekiels War - I am not going to go into that right now but I am writing a book about it which will be published some time this fall. (God willing ) So let me just close with this thought.
When the Russian led Islamic Army marches against Israel you will notice something very interesting in Ezekiel 37,38,39 - I would read it all - see the list of nations. Guess who is missing from that list of nations who invade Israel? The Palestinians, the Jordanians, The Egyptians, The Saudis ( forgot to mention - they will get hit too in the 1st one ) the Lebonese and the Syrians. These nations are not listed. Why??? Because they have already been destroyed. THAT'S WHY.
Another fact that should be examined. Why else would Israel be an unwalled nation when Ezekiels war takes place if her neighbors were still there? They aren't. They are all gone. She expands her borders, takes down the wall.........then Later - comes Ezekiels war... it all fits.
Have an awesome day.
- Jeri
I'm in awe of what we're seeing now, and i know I'm nervous because I'm not really sure what's going to happen next, but excited because I'm seeing prophesy being fulfilled right in front of me! To think I was meant to live in these times is incredible. Many will laugh and scoff at us, but we already know that because God told us this would happen.
