Hamas confirmed " two state solution" is doa !!

[Kondor3]

So you troll other pro Palestinian boards. What a surprise!

No, it is a board with posters that respond with knowledge gained from reading source material rather than opinion pieces or Palestinian/Israeli propaganda. And, most of the posters write in a manner that would lead one to believe they are well-educated.

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[Kondor3]

Palestinians must be really stupid to start a war, because that would mean the end of the Palestinian state. They are right, there will be no two states, but not in the way they would like to see it.

The nomination for 'Brightest Crayons in the Box' continues to elude them.

 

[proudveteran06]

You are so full of shit, ignorant of the facts and so brainwashed it is crazy for me to communicate with you. I'll just post a comment from an international forum that rebutted an ignorant poster like yourself who said much the same thing you said:

"Israel's non-negotiable demands include keeping troops in a Palestinian state, controlling the borders, controlling the air space and controlling the territorial sea. You add to that their non-negotiable demand that Jewish settlements remain with Jew only road communications for the settlements, make it clear the Israelis don't want the creation of a Palestinian state. It is the Israelis that don't want real peace."

That says it all.

You are Full of Shit, ignorant of the Facts and so Brainwashed in your Pro Palestinian Mentality? Hate " RACISM?" Notice you still havent condemned the Palestinians for their NJA, No Israeli Allowed Policy.

Israel's control of the airspace and the territorial waters of the Gaza Strip | B'Tselem


Control of the airspace enables Israel, among other things, to monitor the actions on the ground, and to interfere with radio and TV broadcasts.



On 8 October 2000, immediately after the outbreak of the second intifada, Israel closed down the airport, and it has not opened since. In December 2001, the Israeli Air Force bombed the airport's runways.

In the Interim Agreement, signed by Israel and the PLO, Israel agreed to allow fishing boats from Gaza to go some twenty nautical miles (about thirty-seven kilometers) from the coastline (except for a few areas, to which they were prohibited entry). In practice, Israel did not issue permits to all applicants, and allowed fishing up to a distance of no more than twelve nautical miles. Following the disengagement, Israel reduced the fishing area even more, and since the abduction of the soldier Gilad Shalit, on 25 June 2006, fishermen have not been allowed to go further than three nautical miles from shore


Let the Palestinians show they are truely " Partners in Peace" and those restrictions will be lifted. It's that simple.


Regarding the Roads; Would you let your enemy walk besides you? Notice you havent condemned the Palestinians NJA or No Israelis Allowed Policy. Hamas has declared it's intentions. No condemnation? Not surprised.

Why should the Palestinians have control of the connection between Gaza and the W. Bank? After all, it IS within the " 67 Boundries "we hear so much about . What are the Palestinians willing to give in return?

It is their goal for Israel to eventually become annexed to " Palestine" which is why they will not accept a State with a Jewish Majority. That will NEVER happen It's the Palestinians who don't want peace,

That says it all

Not only are you full of shit, you are a dimwit, you provide links that confirm that Israel is not interested in permitting the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. A country that has no control of its borders, air space, territorial sea or has foreign troops controlling the interior, is not an independent country. It would only allow Israel to continue the occupation and claim that Palestine is an independent state. Which it would not be de facto.

So, many thanks.

Not only are you full of Shit, but you still support the Racism of the Palestinians who have a NJA No Israeli Allowed Policy . It's O. K for a " Palestinian state" to exist but not a predominently Jewish one? Let the Palestinians show they are " partners in peace" and they will have full sovereignty . Why are they entitled to any land within the " 67 Borders?" The goal is for Israel to become annexed to the " Palestinian state" That will never happen . So, many thanks.

 

[montelatici]

What a difference on European forums:

The comment below is a neutral observer type, the response is from a pro-Palestinian partisan.

"Well, it looks to me that Israel's legitimate needs conflict with the establishment of a sovereign state of Palestine. As long as Israel wants to maintain overall control over the Palestinians, it is ludicrous to continue the charade.

Israel should just go ahead and annex the territories and then decide if it wants to be a secular democratic state or an Apartheid state and live with the consequences of the decision."


Response

"Why would they do that? The peace-process charade has served them well over the last 20 -odd years. If they do as you suggest, the fig-leaf will be gone. Israel's apologists will be naked before the world."

 

[proudveteran06]

What a difference on European forums:

The comment below is a neutral observer type, the response is from a pro-Palestinian partisan.

"Well, it looks to me that Israel's legitimate needs conflict with the establishment of a sovereign state of Palestine. As long as Israel wants to maintain overall control over the Palestinians, it is ludicrous to continue the charade.

Israel should just go ahead and annex the territories and then decide if it wants to be a secular democratic state or an Apartheid state and live with the consequences of the decision."


Response

"Why would they do that? The peace-process charade has served them well over the last 20 -odd years. If they do as you suggest, the fig-leaf will be gone. Israel's apologists will be naked before the world."

I agree. The " peace process" is a Charade . Palestinians want borders that were never recognized in the first place, the want Jews not to have access to their Holy Sites , They want a NJA No Israelis allowed which You don't find racist because you're a hypocrite , they want some control of land within the " 67 Borders" which they have no right to and the dissolvement of Israel as a Jewish State . Israel should be " secular" even though it was not founded on those principles but " Palestine" shouldn't ? You are a bigot and a Racist .

 

[Kondor3]

What a difference on European forums:

The comment below is a neutral observer type, the response is from a pro-Palestinian partisan.

"Well, it looks to me that Israel's legitimate needs conflict with the establishment of a sovereign state of Palestine. As long as Israel wants to maintain overall control over the Palestinians, it is ludicrous to continue the charade.

Israel should just go ahead and annex the territories and then decide if it wants to be a secular democratic state or an Apartheid state and live with the consequences of the decision."


Response

"Why would they do that? The peace-process charade has served them well over the last 20 -odd years. If they do as you suggest, the fig-leaf will be gone. Israel's apologists will be naked before the world."

Given that the Europeans are responsible for the largest and most savage pogrom ever perpetrated against Judaism, and that within living memory - to include not only the primary perpetrator-country but also the vast numbers of collaborators and governments who helped the primary, to perpetrate the HOlocaust...

Why would Americans really give a rat's ass what Europeans think, in this context?

 

[montelatici]

What a difference on European forums:

The comment below is a neutral observer type, the response is from a pro-Palestinian partisan.

"Well, it looks to me that Israel's legitimate needs conflict with the establishment of a sovereign state of Palestine. As long as Israel wants to maintain overall control over the Palestinians, it is ludicrous to continue the charade.

Israel should just go ahead and annex the territories and then decide if it wants to be a secular democratic state or an Apartheid state and live with the consequences of the decision."


Response

"Why would they do that? The peace-process charade has served them well over the last 20 -odd years. If they do as you suggest, the fig-leaf will be gone. Israel's apologists will be naked before the world."

Given that the Europeans are responsible for the largest and most savage pogrom ever perpetrated against Judaism, and that within living memory - to include not only the primary perpetrator-country but also the vast numbers of collaborators and governments who helped the primary, to perpetrate the HOlocaust...

Why would Americans really give a rat's ass what Europeans think, in this context?

Because without EU support for Israel, the U.S. alone would have difficulty providing Israel cover, diplomatically and economically.

 

[Kondor3]

What a difference on European forums:

The comment below is a neutral observer type, the response is from a pro-Palestinian partisan.

"Well, it looks to me that Israel's legitimate needs conflict with the establishment of a sovereign state of Palestine. As long as Israel wants to maintain overall control over the Palestinians, it is ludicrous to continue the charade.

Israel should just go ahead and annex the territories and then decide if it wants to be a secular democratic state or an Apartheid state and live with the consequences of the decision."


Response

"Why would they do that? The peace-process charade has served them well over the last 20 -odd years. If they do as you suggest, the fig-leaf will be gone. Israel's apologists will be naked before the world."

Given that the Europeans are responsible for the largest and most savage pogrom ever perpetrated against Judaism, and that within living memory - to include not only the primary perpetrator-country but also the vast numbers of collaborators and governments who helped the primary, to perpetrate the HOlocaust...

Why would Americans really give a rat's ass what Europeans think, in this context?

Because without EU support for Israel, the U.S. alone would have difficulty providing Israel cover, diplomatically and economically.

The US has been doing whatever-the-hell it wants with respect to Israel since it first and unilaterally recognized the newborn Israeli state in 1948...

"Diplomatic cover? We don't need no stinking diplomatic cover!"

 

[montelatici]

Given that the Europeans are responsible for the largest and most savage pogrom ever perpetrated against Judaism, and that within living memory - to include not only the primary perpetrator-country but also the vast numbers of collaborators and governments who helped the primary, to perpetrate the HOlocaust...

Why would Americans really give a rat's ass what Europeans think, in this context?

Because without EU support for Israel, the U.S. alone would have difficulty providing Israel cover, diplomatically and economically.

The US has been doing whatever-the-hell it wants with respect to Israel since it first and unilaterally recognized the newborn Israeli state in 1948...

"Diplomatic cover? We don't need no stinking diplomatic cover!"

The Partition plan alone required that the France and the UK not veto, for starters.

 

[Kondor3]

Because without EU support for Israel, the U.S. alone would have difficulty providing Israel cover, diplomatically and economically.

The US has been doing whatever-the-hell it wants with respect to Israel since it first and unilaterally recognized the newborn Israeli state in 1948...

"Diplomatic cover? We don't need no stinking diplomatic cover!"

The Partition plan alone required that the France and the UK not veto, for starters.

Who cares?

The Partition Plan has been dead for 66 years.

The US took matters into its own hands, not trusting the Euros to do right by the Jews, after slaughtering so many of them.

 

[montelatici]

The Chinese, whose GDP should surpass that of the US in 2019 and is increasing their defense spending and capability. They might decide that a market of more than a billion and a half Muslims is important to them than the U.S. defense secrets Israel has been selling to them.

"Israel accused of selling US secrets to China"

"ISRAEL has sold at least dollars 2bn ( pounds 1.3bn) to dollars 3bn of hi-tech military equipment to China, seriously undermining US efforts to limit the sale of advanced weapons to the Chinese. A Senate report due out later this week says the Israeli exports include military technology developed by the US, and which Washington expressly forbids from being exported to China."

Israel accused of selling US secrets to China - World - News - The Independent

 

[Kondor3]

The Chinese, whose GDP should surpass that of the US in 2019 and is increasing their defense spending and capability. They might decide that a market of more than a billion and a half Muslims is important to them than the U.S. defense secrets Israel has been selling to them.

"Israel accused of selling US secrets to China"

"ISRAEL has sold at least dollars 2bn ( pounds 1.3bn) to dollars 3bn of hi-tech military equipment to China, seriously undermining US efforts to limit the sale of advanced weapons to the Chinese. A Senate report due out later this week says the Israeli exports include military technology developed by the US, and which Washington expressly forbids from being exported to China."

Israel accused of selling US secrets to China - World - News - The Independent

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