Hamas breaks ceasefire as rockets explode near Be'er Sheva

[Daniyel]

Not true! Even the mandate called Palestine a country and defined its inhabitants as citizens.

You spend too much time in Israeli propaganda.

The Mandate called Palestine the land, before it was Palestina and earlier Kingdom of Israel, not country nor a state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

All people have the same rights.


(COMMENT)

Israel has been self-governing since 1948.
Gaza has been under occupation from 1948 to 2005.
The West Bank is a mixture of Occupation, then sovereignty, then Occupation, then partly sovereign.

In any event, if there is a smokescreen being laid here, it is the fact that the area declared independent since 1988 called Palestine has been not exclusively ruled by the Palestinians. The Arabs played their part.

In 1960, who are you blaming for the status of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank? Israel? Don't be absurd.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel has been self governing inside Palestine since 1948. This violates the Palestinian's inalienable right to self determination without external interference.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This statement is misleading.

P F Tinmore, et al,

All people have the same rights.


(COMMENT)

Israel has been self-governing since 1948.
Gaza has been under occupation from 1948 to 2005.
The West Bank is a mixture of Occupation, then sovereignty, then Occupation, then partly sovereign.

In any event, if there is a smokescreen being laid here, it is the fact that the area declared independent since 1988 called Palestine has been not exclusively ruled by the Palestinians. The Arabs played their part.

In 1960, who are you blaming for the status of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank? Israel? Don't be absurd.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel has been self governing inside Palestine since 1948. This violates the Palestinian's inalienable right to self determination without external interference.

(COMMENT)

The phrase "inside Palestine" is, divisive; and unsound.

The State of Israel was established within the territory that was formerly the Mandate of Palestine, and under the trusteeship of the UN. The Israelis (Jewish Agency), under the guidance of the UN Palestine Commission and with the recommendation of the General Assembly, exercised their "right of self-determination." Whereas, the Arab Palestinian declined to participate.

This idea that Israel is somehow inside some territorial boundary in which the Arab Palestinian had some sort of exclusive rights, is merely the rhetoric as expounded in the the Palestinian National Charter (1968), HAMAS Covenant (1988), the the HAMAS Political Policy outline (2013). It has no real sense of reality. It is simply an excuse to further incite conflict (a international violation in itself).

Nonsense, the Palestinians declined to exercise their rights in 1948, and instead chose war. The Jewish Agency followed the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outlined by the General Assembly. The Jewish Agency had "inalienable right to self determination without external interference." They accepted the UN offer and proceeded with the plan; the Arab Palestinians did not.

Israel is not inside "Palestine." It has borders in common with the former Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

Daniyel, P F Tinmore, et al,

This is merely trying to mix words.

Not true! Even the mandate called Palestine a country and defined its inhabitants as citizens.

You spend too much time in Israeli propaganda.

The Mandate called Palestine the land, before it was Palestina and earlier Kingdom of Israel, not country nor a state.

(OBSERVATION)

So there would be no misunderstanding as to the status of the Territory under Mandate, in coordination with the UN the Mandatory (UK) made a joint release:

UNITED NATIONS
Department of Public Information
Press and Publications Bureau
Lake Success, New York
Press Release PAL/138
27 February 1948

UK MEMORANDUM NAMES COMMISSION
AS SUCCESSOR GOVERNMENT
The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.

The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:

"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues."​

After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.

"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine.​

"The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:

"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."​

The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.

- See more at: Future government of Palestine - UN Palestine Commission as successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum (excerpts) - Press release (27 February 1948)​

(COMMENT)

Lots of people tend to overlook this and the implications it has. But clearly: "Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing."

I don't know how many different ways it can be said. But the implication that Palestine was something more, is simply misleading.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Penelope]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This statement is misleading.

P F Tinmore, et al,

All people have the same rights.


(COMMENT)

Israel has been self-governing since 1948.
Gaza has been under occupation from 1948 to 2005.
The West Bank is a mixture of Occupation, then sovereignty, then Occupation, then partly sovereign.

In any event, if there is a smokescreen being laid here, it is the fact that the area declared independent since 1988 called Palestine has been not exclusively ruled by the Palestinians. The Arabs played their part.

In 1960, who are you blaming for the status of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank? Israel? Don't be absurd.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel has been self governing inside Palestine since 1948. This violates the Palestinian's inalienable right to self determination without external interference.

(COMMENT)

The phrase "inside Palestine" is, divisive; and unsound.

The State of Israel was established within the territory that was formerly the Mandate of Palestine, and under the trusteeship of the UN. The Israelis (Jewish Agency), under the guidance of the UN Palestine Commission and with the recommendation of the General Assembly, exercised their "right of self-determination." Whereas, the Arab Palestinian declined to participate.

This idea that Israel is somehow inside some territorial boundary in which the Arab Palestinian had some sort of exclusive rights, is merely the rhetoric as expounded in the the Palestinian National Charter (1968), HAMAS Covenant (1988), the the HAMAS Political Policy outline (2013). It has no real sense of reality. It is simply an excuse to further incite conflict (a international violation in itself).

Nonsense, the Palestinians declined to exercise their rights in 1948, and instead chose war. The Jewish Agency followed the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outlined by the General Assembly. The Jewish Agency had "inalienable right to self determination without external interference." They accepted the UN offer and proceeded with the plan; the Arab Palestinians did not.

Israel is not inside "Palestine." It has borders in common with the former Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

P F Tinmore, et al,

This statement is misleading.

P F Tinmore, et al,

All people have the same rights.


(COMMENT)

Israel has been self-governing since 1948.
Gaza has been under occupation from 1948 to 2005.
The West Bank is a mixture of Occupation, then sovereignty, then Occupation, then partly sovereign.

In any event, if there is a smokescreen being laid here, it is the fact that the area declared independent since 1988 called Palestine has been not exclusively ruled by the Palestinians. The Arabs played their part.

In 1960, who are you blaming for the status of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank? Israel? Don't be absurd.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel has been self governing inside Palestine since 1948. This violates the Palestinian's inalienable right to self determination without external interference.

(COMMENT)

The phrase "inside Palestine" is, divisive; and unsound.

The State of Israel was established within the territory that was formerly the Mandate of Palestine, and under the trusteeship of the UN. The Israelis (Jewish Agency), under the guidance of the UN Palestine Commission and with the recommendation of the General Assembly, exercised their "right of self-determination." Whereas, the Arab Palestinian declined to participate.

This idea that Israel is somehow inside some territorial boundary in which the Arab Palestinian had some sort of exclusive rights, is merely the rhetoric as expounded in the the Palestinian National Charter (1968), HAMAS Covenant (1988), the the HAMAS Political Policy outline (2013). It has no real sense of reality. It is simply an excuse to further incite conflict (a international violation in itself).

Nonsense, the Palestinians declined to exercise their rights in 1948, and instead chose war. The Jewish Agency followed the Steps Preparatory to Independence as outlined by the General Assembly. The Jewish Agency had "inalienable right to self determination without external interference." They accepted the UN offer and proceeded with the plan; the Arab Palestinians did not.

Israel is not inside "Palestine." It has borders in common with the former Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

You mean like the Indians did when the white man began to go west?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rocco, this is a very telling paragraph.

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity..."

Legal entity? What is that supposed to mean? However, it does say that Palestine will continue to exist after the 15th May, 1948. This contrasts the propaganda that Palestine ceased to exist.

"it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing."

"immediately self-governing" tells us that it was planned that Palestine become a sovereign state. That is what the LoN Covenant called for the mandates to accomplish. Britain failed to follow its mandate.

"its its administration will, however, have changed."

Administration, not ownership or sovereignty.

There was no mention of Israel, or a Jewish state, or partition, or ceding any land, or change in any borders. Palestine in its entirety was to be placed in trust to the UN.

Your conclusions do not coincide with the document that you posted.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it is important. It is just as important to read what it says, and even more important not to read into it. The prinicple purpose of the memo was to announce the Successor Government (ie the UN Palestine Commission).

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity..."

Legal entity? What is that supposed to mean? However, it does say that Palestine will continue to exist after the 15th May, 1948. This contrasts the propaganda that Palestine ceased to exist.

(COMMENT)

I don't think I ever said that "Palestine" ceased to exist. I think we disagreed on what "Palestine" means.

"it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing."

"immediately self-governing" tells us that it was planned that Palestine become a sovereign state. That is what the LoN Covenant called for the mandates to accomplish. Britain failed to follow its mandate.

(COMMENT)

This is what I mean by saying don't read something into it that was not implicitly stated. The UK did not fail its mission, the Arab Palestinians failed themselves, the Arab League failed the Arab Palestinians. They opted for armed struggle, not peace.

If you read a little further, you will note that the MEMO said:

"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues."​

This is diplomaticese for "We don't know." But it does not say that it is to become a "state." In fact the UK already knew that the implementation of the Partition Plan was set, because they played an active part in the implementation process from the very beginning. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom to the UNPC Implementation process was Sir Alexander Cadogan, present from the first meeting.

"its its administration will, however, have changed."

Administration, not ownership or sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

The MEMO clearly states that the UNPC is the Successor Government.

There was no mention of Israel, or a Jewish state, or partition, or ceding any land, or change in any borders. Palestine in its entirety was to be placed in trust to the UN.

(COMMENT)

And the UN decided to take action; through the UNPC in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

Your conclusions do not coincide with the document that you posted.

(COMMENT)

My conclusion is, that other than the "legal entity" called "Palestine" as defined in the Palestine Order in Council, there was no Palestinian governing body with any control over any aspect of that "entity." It was delegated to the UNPC by the UNGA and UNSC.

Your insistence that there was something more is pure wishful thinking.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it is important. It is just as important to read what it says, and even more important not to read into it. The prinicple purpose of the memo was to announce the Successor Government (ie the UN Palestine Commission).

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity..."

Legal entity? What is that supposed to mean? However, it does say that Palestine will continue to exist after the 15th May, 1948. This contrasts the propaganda that Palestine ceased to exist.

(COMMENT)

I don't think I ever said that "Palestine" ceased to exist. I think we disagreed on what "Palestine" means.

"it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing."

"immediately self-governing" tells us that it was planned that Palestine become a sovereign state. That is what the LoN Covenant called for the mandates to accomplish. Britain failed to follow its mandate.

(COMMENT)

This is what I mean by saying don't read something into it that was not implicitly stated. The UK did not fail its mission, the Arab Palestinians failed themselves, the Arab League failed the Arab Palestinians. They opted for armed struggle, not peace.

If you read a little further, you will note that the MEMO said:

"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues."​

This is diplomaticese for "We don't know." But it does not say that it is to become a "state." In fact the UK already knew that the implementation of the Partition Plan was set, because they played an active part in the implementation process from the very beginning. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom to the UNPC Implementation process was Sir Alexander Cadogan, present from the first meeting.

"its its administration will, however, have changed."

Administration, not ownership or sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

The MEMO clearly states that the UNPC is the Successor Government.

There was no mention of Israel, or a Jewish state, or partition, or ceding any land, or change in any borders. Palestine in its entirety was to be placed in trust to the UN.

(COMMENT)

And the UN decided to take action; through the UNPC in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

Your conclusions do not coincide with the document that you posted.

(COMMENT)

My conclusion is, that other than the "legal entity" called "Palestine" as defined in the Palestine Order in Council, there was no Palestinian governing body with any control over any aspect of that "entity." It was delegated to the UNPC by the UNGA and UNSC.

Your insistence that there was something more is pure wishful thinking.

Most Respectfully,
R

That doesn't matter. The people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

In fact the UK already knew that the implementation of the Partition Plan was set, because they played an active part in the implementation process from the very beginning.

Not true! Britain refused to take part in the partition plan because it was not approved by both sides.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you just crack me up!

That doesn't matter. The people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

In fact the UK already knew that the implementation of the Partition Plan was set, because they played an active part in the implementation process from the very beginning.

Not true! Britain refused to take part in the partition plan because it was not approved by both sides.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis have rights as well. No "rights of the Palestinian" supersede the "rights of the Israeli." Not then, not now. If it were true, that would be an issue of "superiority" and we don't want to go there.

As to what the UK knew and participated in is a matter of record:

(d) The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• • 
    “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”
  • 
    

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948

I would never intentionally attempt to mislead you. There were over 147 record Communications received from the United Kingdom Delegation concerning Palestine, the last of which was relative to the Currency Board on 17 May 1948; and the stabilization of Israeli monetary issues; from Mr John Fletcher-Cooke (UK Del) via the UNPC to Dr. Ralph J. Bunche, Principal Secretary to the United Nations Commission on Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you just crack me up!

That doesn't matter. The people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

In fact the UK already knew that the implementation of the Partition Plan was set, because they played an active part in the implementation process from the very beginning.

Not true! Britain refused to take part in the partition plan because it was not approved by both sides.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis have rights as well. No "rights of the Palestinian" supersede the "rights of the Israeli." Not then, not now. If it were true, that would be an issue of "superiority" and we don't want to go there.

As to what the UK knew and participated in is a matter of record:

(d) The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• • 
    “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948

I would never intentionally attempt to mislead you. There were over 147 record Communications received from the United Kingdom Delegation concerning Palestine, the last of which was relative to the Currency Board on 17 May 1948; and the stabilization of Israeli monetary issues; from Mr John Fletcher-Cooke (UK Del) via the UNPC to Dr. Ralph J. Bunche, Principal Secretary to the United Nations Commission on Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

From your link:

(iv) the United Kingdom Government “will endeavour to give the Commission the benefit of their experience and knowledge of the situation in Palestine, subject always to their decision that they are unable to take part in the implementation of the United Nations plan.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Sometimes you just crack me up!

That doesn't matter. The people in non self governing territories have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.

In fact the UK already knew that the implementation of the Partition Plan was set, because they played an active part in the implementation process from the very beginning.

Not true! Britain refused to take part in the partition plan because it was not approved by both sides.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis have rights as well. No "rights of the Palestinian" supersede the "rights of the Israeli." Not then, not now. If it were true, that would be an issue of "superiority" and we don't want to go there.

As to what the UK knew and participated in is a matter of record:

(d) The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• • 
    “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948

I would never intentionally attempt to mislead you. There were over 147 record Communications received from the United Kingdom Delegation concerning Palestine, the last of which was relative to the Currency Board on 17 May 1948; and the stabilization of Israeli monetary issues; from Mr John Fletcher-Cooke (UK Del) via the UNPC to Dr. Ralph J. Bunche, Principal Secretary to the United Nations Commission on Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

Why did they reject the partition plan?

 

[docmauser1]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

Why did they reject the partition plan?

Something about that old arab dream of driving jews away and of plundering of the jewish property, of course. Same old, same old.

 

[Indeependent]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

Don't insult drivel.

 

[Daniyel]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

This is a traditional page in the Talmud involves 4(5) different languages and dozens of references from the entire bible.
קובץ:Talmud-Berachoth.jpg – ויקיפדיה

The Talmud discuss over 1,000 subjects across 10,000 pages(more or less) based on the Mishna, there is also the Jerusalmic Talmud as well.
Jews study the Talmud for decades and few manage to even memorize it all, including four levels of understanding (Pshat, Drash,Remez, Sod) so with all the respect I don't think you can even spell Talmud in Hebrew, or any of the languages in the Talmud Penelope.
Nazis tend to believe they are superior just like you do, and they also blamed the Jews for everything like you do, the next step is to take active violence which I'm sure you are not far from that after all you are a Neo Nazi.

 

[Penelope]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

They go by the Clean Break Strategy Now .

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Beelzebub]

Interesting, so what happened to the fabled Iron Dome system, did the IDF switch it off? was it down for regular maintainance? Were the operators asleep or drunk? Maybe they ran out of missiles, they are very expensive after all.

The Iron Dome is only used when deemed necessary by an incoming rocket's trajectory.

So more of a steel colander then.

 

[Penelope]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

This is a traditional page in the Talmud involves 4(5) different languages and dozens of references from the entire bible.
קובץ:Talmud-Berachoth.jpg – ויקיפדיה

The Talmud discuss over 1,000 subjects across 10,000 pages(more or less) based on the Mishna, there is also the Jerusalmic Talmud as well.
Jews study the Talmud for decades and few manage to even memorize it all, including four levels of understanding (Pshat, Drash,Remez, Sod) so with all the respect I don't think you can even spell Talmud in Hebrew, or any of the languages in the Talmud Penelope.
Nazis tend to believe they are superior just like you do, and they also blamed the Jews for everything like you do, the next step is to take active violence which I'm sure you are not far from that after all you are a Neo Nazi.

Yes over 10,000 pages of how superior a race you are, above everyone , chosen by God. I heard one of your famous Rabbis who died not long ago, say gentiles only live a long life to serve Jews.

 

[Daniyel]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

This is a traditional page in the Talmud involves 4(5) different languages and dozens of references from the entire bible.
קובץ:Talmud-Berachoth.jpg – ויקיפדיה

The Talmud discuss over 1,000 subjects across 10,000 pages(more or less) based on the Mishna, there is also the Jerusalmic Talmud as well.
Jews study the Talmud for decades and few manage to even memorize it all, including four levels of understanding (Pshat, Drash,Remez, Sod) so with all the respect I don't think you can even spell Talmud in Hebrew, or any of the languages in the Talmud Penelope.
Nazis tend to believe they are superior just like you do, and they also blamed the Jews for everything like you do, the next step is to take active violence which I'm sure you are not far from that after all you are a Neo Nazi.

Yes over 10,000 pages of how superior a race you are, above everyone , chosen by God. I heard one of your famous Rabbis who died not long ago, say gentiles only live a long life to serve Jews.

*cough* propaganda *cough*
So you learn the Talmud Penelope?

 

[Penelope]

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

This is a traditional page in the Talmud involves 4(5) different languages and dozens of references from the entire bible.
קובץ:Talmud-Berachoth.jpg – ויקיפדיה

The Talmud discuss over 1,000 subjects across 10,000 pages(more or less) based on the Mishna, there is also the Jerusalmic Talmud as well.
Jews study the Talmud for decades and few manage to even memorize it all, including four levels of understanding (Pshat, Drash,Remez, Sod) so with all the respect I don't think you can even spell Talmud in Hebrew, or any of the languages in the Talmud Penelope.
Nazis tend to believe they are superior just like you do, and they also blamed the Jews for everything like you do, the next step is to take active violence which I'm sure you are not far from that after all you are a Neo Nazi.

Yes over 10,000 pages of how superior a race you are, above everyone , chosen by God. I heard one of your famous Rabbis who died not long ago, say gentiles only live a long life to serve Jews.

*cough* propaganda *cough*
So you learn the Talmud Penelope?

No , just the good parts. I learn more from listening to some of your rabbis.(I could careless about your rituals, everyone has them) I was more interested in the marriage and woman parts

If you want to go by the Hamas charter which they were not there in 1948, then we better get the Babylon Talmud, and OT out, and the Muslims learned from the people of the book (Jews) or should I say Hebrews.

Drivel.

This is a traditional page in the Talmud involves 4(5) different languages and dozens of references from the entire bible.
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The Talmud discuss over 1,000 subjects across 10,000 pages(more or less) based on the Mishna, there is also the Jerusalmic Talmud as well.
Jews study the Talmud for decades and few manage to even memorize it all, including four levels of understanding (Pshat, Drash,Remez, Sod) so with all the respect I don't think you can even spell Talmud in Hebrew, or any of the languages in the Talmud Penelope.
Nazis tend to believe they are superior just like you do, and they also blamed the Jews for everything like you do, the next step is to take active violence which I'm sure you are not far from that after all you are a Neo Nazi.

Yes over 10,000 pages of how superior a race you are, above everyone , chosen by God. I heard one of your famous Rabbis who died not long ago, say gentiles only live a long life to serve Jews.

*cough* propaganda *cough*
So you learn the Talmud Penelope?

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who died Monday at 93, was a revered halachic scholar whose rulings found solutions for Jews caught in complex situations, brought countless Jews back to Torah observance, and unified the diverse Sephardi community.

“The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things which should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.”

Hurricane Katrina as divine punishment for godlessness and American support for the disengagement from Gaza:

) The purpose of Gentiles — to serve Jews:
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”
“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.
“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”


4) On making peace with Arabs:
“How can you make peace with a snake?”
“Those evildoers, the Arabs — it says in the Gemara [Talmud] that God is sorry he ever created those sons of Ishmael.”


On Muslims:
“They’re stupid. Their religion is as ugly as they are


5 of Ovadia Yosef's most controversial quotations | The Times of Israel

His funeral in Jerusalem was the largest in Israel's history, with an estimated attendance of 850,000. Some religious authorities have stated that this was, perhaps, the largest in-gathering of Jews since the days of the Second Temple.[33] However, other estimates put the number in attendance at the funeral lower, at between 273,000 to 450,000.[