Guns banned from Trump's NRA speech...

[pismoe]

guns are the best defense for individual American and that statement applies to gun for defense and for the original purpose of the Second Amendment . Old people , young people , little weak people , weak little women , san franciscans , the disabled are all the EQUAL of the 250 pound thug if they are packing a gun . Just a simple statement of fact EWings .

 

[Divine Wind]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?

 

[pismoe]

yep ,just one more law will fix everything up according to the gun controllers DWind !!

 

[JoeMoma]

Is protecting the president supposed to be an example of hypocrisy to the incoherent left? The military doesn't carry weapons in the same room with the president either.

Protecting him from what ? Law abiding gun owners ?

Lol, at the notion that the SS decisions overrule the prez .

No...democrats...the democrats shoot up their own neighborhoods and murder people.......and a left winger already tried to murder him....

Dude . It's the NRA convention ! Literally THE lobby group of "law abiding gun owners!" .

Lol. You can't spin out of this one . Trump is against gun free zones , unless he is there, then gun free zone is ok!

Actually, as president, he is probably never in a gun free zone. That's because he has tons of secret service agents packing heat where ever he goes.

"Gun free zone " doesn't mean that law enforcement or security can't be armed . It means no license to carry allowed .

For example , a college campus may be gun free but the university police are armed .

Actually it does. That being said, university police are very few on a campus, thus making most places on campus a gun free zone.

 

[Eaglewings]

guns are the best defense for individual American and that statement applies to gun for defense and for the original purpose of the Second Amendment . Old people , young people , little weak people , weak little women , san franciscans , the disabled are all the EQUAL of the 250 pound thug if they are packing a gun . Just a simple statement of fact EWings .

Well I agree with that Pismoe..

 

[2aguy]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Yeah...I see you are trotting out the lies about the states......that is the Bait and Switch link.....they imply that the deaths by state are because of gun murder...then use the words Gun Deaths...to hide the fact that suicides are the main cause of gun deaths in those states...

nice try....

The very first state from your link...dumb ass...

. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

In Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

John Roman, senior fellow at the Urban Institute, an economic and social policy think tank told USA Today that states with the highest rates of suicide also usually had the strongest culture of gun ownership. "There are many more suicides in places where it's easy to get a gun," he said.

 

[pismoe]

And one more law or a myriad of laws will do nothing but to make it harder for Americans to exercise the Gun Rights EWings . [see san fransicko ] do you even have a gun store in your town EWings ??

 

[Eaglewings]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?

These people do it because they get away with it...these guns shows are notorious for that..

Anyway, the NRA is all for making it as easy as possible for anyone to get a gun.. They are making money, and could care less about anything else, nor your safety..

While the far left is just as stupid trying to make people jump though hoops...

So my conclusion is to have personal back round checks at the gun shows , and if they break the law they go to jail..

Anyway my neighbor slipped through the cracks,no one came to make sure that he didn't have the gun...

Why , not enough people to make sure that the laws are uphold.

 

[2aguy]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Here..the truth...

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.


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Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.





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[Eaglewings]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Yeah...I see you are trotting out the lies about the states......that is the Bait and Switch link.....they imply that the deaths by state are because of gun murder...then use the words Gun Deaths...to hide the fact that suicides are the main cause of gun deaths in those states...

nice try....

The very first state from your link...dumb ass...

. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

In Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

John Roman, senior fellow at the Urban Institute, an economic and social policy think tank told USA Today that states with the highest rates of suicide also usually had the strongest culture of gun ownership. "There are many more suicides in places where it's easy to get a gun," he said.

Right, like those suicides wouldn't happen if they used their kitchen knife...

Most of these states are populated with high meth labs as well...

 

[2aguy]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
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And more truth...

Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders - Crime Prevention Research Center

The Distribution of murders
The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places where there are no murders, places where there are a few murders, and places where murders are very common.

In 2014, the most recent year that a county level breakdown is available, 54% of counties (with 11% of the population) have no murders. 69% of counties have no more than one murder, and about 20% of the population. These counties account for only 4% of all murders in the country.

The worst 1% of counties have 19% of the population and 37% of the murders. The worst 5% of counties contain 47% of the population and account for 68% of murders. As shown in figure 2, over half of murders occurred in only 2% of counties.

Murders actually used to be even more concentrated. From 1977 to 2000, on average 73 percent of counties in any give year had zero murders. Possibly, this change is a result of the opioid epidemic’s spread to more rural areas. But that question is beyond the scope of this study. Lott’s book “More Guns, Less Crime” showed how dramatically counties within states vary dramatically with respect to murder and other violent crime rates.

Gun Ownership
According to a 2013 PEW Research Center survey, the household gun ownership rate in rural areas was 2.11 times greater than in urban areas (“Why Own a Gun? Protection is Now Top Reason,” PEW Research Center, March 12, 2013). Suburban households are 28.6% more likely to own guns than urban households. Despite lower gun ownership, urban areas experience much higher murder rates. One should not put much weight on this purely “cross-sectional” evidence over one point in time, but it is still interesting to note that so much of the country has both very high gun ownership rates and zero murders.

 

[pismoe]

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?

These people do it because they get away with it...these guns shows are notorious for that..

Anyway, the NRA is all for making it as easy as possible for anyone to get a gun.. They are making money, and could care less about anything else, nor your safety..

While the far left is just as stupid trying to make people jump though hoops...

So my conclusion is to have personal back round checks at the gun shows , and if they break the law they go to jail..

Anyway my neighbor slipped through the cracks,no one came to make sure that he didn't have the gun...

Why , not enough people to make sure that the laws are uphold.

----------------------------------------------------------------------- now EWings , i'm going to tell you as politely as i can that in your post 228 , you are misinformed on all your information .

 

[2aguy]

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Yeah...I see you are trotting out the lies about the states......that is the Bait and Switch link.....they imply that the deaths by state are because of gun murder...then use the words Gun Deaths...to hide the fact that suicides are the main cause of gun deaths in those states...

nice try....

The very first state from your link...dumb ass...

. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

In Alaska, suicide was the leading cause of gun deaths, with it being the main factor in more than 80% of all firearm deaths.

John Roman, senior fellow at the Urban Institute, an economic and social policy think tank told USA Today that states with the highest rates of suicide also usually had the strongest culture of gun ownership. "There are many more suicides in places where it's easy to get a gun," he said.

Right, like those suicides wouldn't happen if they used their kitchen knife...

Most of these states are populated with high meth labs as well...

You missed it.....

You are lying, and saying that those states have high gun murder rates....most of them don't, the only one who does is Louisiana....with a bunch of cities controlled by democrats....the rest have high gun death rates...due to suicide...and as you pointed out....those high suicide rates have nothing to do with gun ownership...but anti gunners like you have to use suicides to get your numbers up...otherwise.....you don't have a case...

 

[2aguy]

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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10 Second Summary
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2. Open the scan in an editing program.
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5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?

These people do it because they get away with it...these guns shows are notorious for that..

Anyway, the NRA is all for making it as easy as possible for anyone to get a gun.. They are making money, and could care less about anything else, nor your safety..

While the far left is just as stupid trying to make people jump though hoops...

So my conclusion is to have personal back round checks at the gun shows , and if they break the law they go to jail..

Anyway my neighbor slipped through the cracks,no one came to make sure that he didn't have the gun...

Why , not enough people to make sure that the laws are uphold.

The only reason anti gunners want background checks on private sales is to get the next step...gun registration...because background checks on private sales can only track law abiding gun sales if all guns are registered.....

So no...private sale background checks are a non starter.

 

[Eaglewings]

Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....

Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

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Here..the truth...

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.


******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.





****************

They debunked Obama's claims, in your link

Read your own links....lol

A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,

Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46

 

[2aguy]

How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?

That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.

Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.

Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID

10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Here..the truth...

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.


******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.





****************

They debunked Obama's claims, in your link

Read your own links....lol

A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,

Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46

You don't know what you are talking about or posting.....

Japan, china and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do....and absolute gun control for law abiding citizens.....and countries in Europe also have extreme gun control laws...and higher suicide rates than we do....

anti gunners mix suicide numbers with murder to increase the gun death numbers.....to hide the fact that our gun murder rate doesn't account for our gun deaths......

 

[Eaglewings]

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID

10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?

These people do it because they get away with it...these guns shows are notorious for that..

Anyway, the NRA is all for making it as easy as possible for anyone to get a gun.. They are making money, and could care less about anything else, nor your safety..

While the far left is just as stupid trying to make people jump though hoops...

So my conclusion is to have personal back round checks at the gun shows , and if they break the law they go to jail..

Anyway my neighbor slipped through the cracks,no one came to make sure that he didn't have the gun...

Why , not enough people to make sure that the laws are uphold.

The only reason anti gunners want background checks on private sales is to get the next step...gun registration...because background checks on private sales can only track law abiding gun sales if all guns are registered.....

So no...private sale background checks are a non starter.

1. I am not a anti-gunner

. I have to register my cars which could be used as a weapon, and have insurance on it...why should it be any different with a gun..?

I have to register by law my dog and cats to have a rabies shot....haaa

Get a permit if I am going to cut a tree down, or build on to my home..

Register kids into school

Need a licence to use my credit card.


And you are whining about a back round check , and register.on a item that has the power to kill



So fu=king silly

 

[2aguy]

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID

10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?

These people do it because they get away with it...these guns shows are notorious for that..

Anyway, the NRA is all for making it as easy as possible for anyone to get a gun.. They are making money, and could care less about anything else, nor your safety..

While the far left is just as stupid trying to make people jump though hoops...

So my conclusion is to have personal back round checks at the gun shows , and if they break the law they go to jail..

Anyway my neighbor slipped through the cracks,no one came to make sure that he didn't have the gun...

Why , not enough people to make sure that the laws are uphold.

The only reason anti gunners want background checks on private sales is to get the next step...gun registration...because background checks on private sales can only track law abiding gun sales if all guns are registered.....

So no...private sale background checks are a non starter.

1. I am not a anti-gunner

. I have to register my cars which could be used as a weapon, and have insurance on it...why should it be any different with a gun..?

I have to register by law my dog and cats to have a rabies shot....haaa

Get a permit if I am going to cut a tree down, or build on to my home..

Register kids into school

Need a licence to use my credit card.


And you are whining about a back round check , and register.on a item that has the power to kill



So fu=king silly

The Germans, British and Australians didn't register cars and then confiscate them....they registered guns then confiscated them....owning a gun is Right, not a privilege.....history shows you are an idiot....

 

[Eaglewings]

Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though

Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..

Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.

Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID

10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Here..the truth...

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.


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Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.





****************

They debunked Obama's claims, in your link

Read your own links....lol

A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,

Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46

You don't know what you are talking about or posting.....

Japan, china and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do....and absolute gun control for law abiding citizens.....and countries in Europe also have extreme gun control laws...and higher suicide rates than we do....

anti gunners mix suicide numbers with murder to increase the gun death numbers.....to hide the fact that our gun murder rate doesn't account for our gun deaths......

I just quoted the link that you provided on your defense of back round safety laws..

so if it untrue well then that is on you dude..

 

[2aguy]

Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?

While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?

Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved

Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.



States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates


1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8

No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

5. Arkansas

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
  
  No permit required for purchase of a firearm.

6. Montana (TIE)
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7

No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

8. Oklahoma

• Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
  
  No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.

Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID

10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.

Here..the truth...

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.


******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?

Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.

At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.

Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.

According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.

"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.





****************

They debunked Obama's claims, in your link

Read your own links....lol

A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,

Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46

You don't know what you are talking about or posting.....

Japan, china and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do....and absolute gun control for law abiding citizens.....and countries in Europe also have extreme gun control laws...and higher suicide rates than we do....

anti gunners mix suicide numbers with murder to increase the gun death numbers.....to hide the fact that our gun murder rate doesn't account for our gun deaths......

I just quoted the link that you provided on your defense of back round safety laws..

so if it untrue well then that is on you dude..

No, moron....you didn't quote anything even remotely accurately....



By contrast, Lott says that it is wrong to assume correlation equals causation. Fleeger’s paper acknowledged that it “could not determine cause-and-effect relationship.”

“States such as Hawaii have had low firearm homicide rates as far back as we have data, long before they have the gun laws that are on the books,” Lott said. “The issue here should really be whether gun control laws caused crime rates to fall relative to other states after they have been implemented.” He says his own research suggests there is little difference.