Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[Skull Pilot]

UK--a pro-gun argument................???!!!!!!!

Again with the gun murder rate, a rate that has always, always been low in Britain even when they allowed normal people to own guns. Now, with guns banned and confiscated their gun crime rate is going up....while here, where more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime and gun murder rate are going down...

You can't explain that which is why you focus on gun murder...something that was always low in Britain, even with guns.

The gun murderr rate in Britain has always been low because we have never had your gun culture. When they banned handguns everybody thought it was a good idea. And it was. Nobody is agitating for the ban to be lifted. We dont want to become like America.

No.... the gun murder rate has been low because your criminals don't murder their victims. They banned handguns and criminals now have more of them.

You want your innocent people to be increasingly victimized by violent criminals.....you now have that.

You know nothing about the UK.

Let me explain it to you.

US - lots of guns,lots of murders
UK - not many guns,not many murders.

That is it. You cannot produce one piece of data to challenge that. Not one.

 

[harmonica]

Yep....young males, raised without fathers to teach them to be adult men, mixed with 3rd world males running the drug gangs, and the British police hamstrung due to lack of manpower, money, and politically correct rules of engagment.....

London on course for highest number of killings in a decade after 2018 passes 2017 total

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

Ok, if you want to play that game then we wont count London,Liverpool and Manchester. You are back in the same position.

Our country is much larger than yours and we see 70% of murders occurring in very small very well defined areas in just 2% of all the counties in the country. In fact these areas are so concentrated that just a mile away from an area where the murder rate annually is extremely high the murder rate of another neighborhood can be and often is extremely low.

Face it the US has very real and very significant differences from the UK that go far beyond gun laws but you don't know anything about these things and you keep forgetting that most Americans don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about what you Brits think

you are tying to deny the UNdeniable
UK murder rate many times lower than the US

 

[harmonica]

UK murder rate many times lower than the US
this CANNOT be denied or twisted/etc

 

[Skull Pilot]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

Ok, if you want to play that game then we wont count London,Liverpool and Manchester. You are back in the same position.

Our country is much larger than yours and we see 70% of murders occurring in very small very well defined areas in just 2% of all the counties in the country. In fact these areas are so concentrated that just a mile away from an area where the murder rate annually is extremely high the murder rate of another neighborhood can be and often is extremely low.

Face it the US has very real and very significant differences from the UK that go far beyond gun laws but you don't know anything about these things and you keep forgetting that most Americans don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about what you Brits think

you are tying to deny the UNdeniable
UK murder rate many times lower than the US

I never denied it in fact I have said many times the murder rate in the UK has always been lower it was lower BEFORE they passed all their gun laws and gun bans

BUt the 2 countries are not homogeneous and you deny that very relevant fact

 

[dannyboys]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No you don't because none of you gun control freaks ever address the very real problem in our inner cities that breed the violence that skews our murder rates.

All you want to talk about is mass shootings (1% of all murder) and you all like to add suicide into your numbers even though it is not a crime,(2/3 of all gun deaths)

And these murders account for 70% of the murder rate but none of you ever mention that or even respond to the many times I have posted this fact and the reasons why these ultra-violent areas exist

1. so we don't want to cut the murders down? even in the inner cities? !?this is bad for all of Amerca

2. you will NEVER change humans--you CANNOT deny this
humans have murdered/raped/robbed since they were humans
you CAN control/restrict/regulate guns which affects murder rates-- [ as seen in Germany, France, UK, Japan, etc ]

Bonobo had eight ******* years to DO SOMETHING about the endemic inner city shithole gun violence. He sat with his thumb up his ass. WHY? B/c 95% of the violent crimes were/are being committed by negoes AKA his voter base!

 

[2aguy]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

so we don't want to try to cut this murder rate down?? wherever the murders are??
they are ok because they are in those areas?
they still add to the murder rate--you can't pick and choose

No you don't because none of you gun control freaks ever address the very real problem in our inner cities that breed the violence that skews our murder rates.

All you want to talk about is mass shootings (1% of all murder) and you all like to add suicide into your numbers even though it is not a crime,(2/3 of all gun deaths)

And these murders account for 70% of the murder rate but none of you ever mention that or even respond to the many times I have posted this fact and the reasons why these ultra-violent areas exist

1. so we don't want to cut the murders down? even in the inner cities? !?this is bad for all of Amerca

2. you will NEVER change humans--you CANNOT deny this
humans have murdered/raped/robbed since they were humans
you CAN control/restrict/regulate guns which affects murder rates-- [ as seen in Germany, France, UK, Japan, etc ]

Britain has an increasing gun crime rate, their criminals have guns but don't use them to commit murder as often as democrats in democrat controlled cities do.....France, as my links demonstrated, is awash in illegal guns, more often than not, illegal, fully automatic military weapons...dittos Germany.....and Japan, is a police state where the police have powers that Americans would never allow our police to have....and as I have posted over and over, the democrat party would never go along with locking up violent gun criminals for 15 years for the possession of an illegal gun.....they fight against even 3 years for a criminal who actually uses a gun in a crime...

 

[2aguy]

You do realise that London isn't Britain...don't you?

Chicago isn't the United States either asshole!
Remove every illegal gun in every inner city shithole in the US and the 'gun violence' stats would fall dramatically.
How Bad Is Violence in Chicago? Depends on Your Race - The Atlantic

Our murder rate is skewed by just a handful of inner city areas in this country because 70% of all murder occurs in these very small very well defined areas of just 2% of all the counties in the country

Ok, if you want to play that game then we wont count London,Liverpool and Manchester. You are back in the same position.

Our country is much larger than yours and we see 70% of murders occurring in very small very well defined areas in just 2% of all the counties in the country. In fact these areas are so concentrated that just a mile away from an area where the murder rate annually is extremely high the murder rate of another neighborhood can be and often is extremely low.

Face it the US has very real and very significant differences from the UK that go far beyond gun laws but you don't know anything about these things and you keep forgetting that most Americans don't give a flying or any other kind of **** about what you Brits think

you are tying to deny the UNdeniable
UK murder rate many times lower than the US

And you know that has nothing to do with their gun control laws, since gun crime rates are going up.....that means, since you obviously don't understand....that criminals in Britain are getting more illegal guns, not less...which means the gun control laws are not working....

 

[2aguy]

UK murder rate many times lower than the US
this CANNOT be denied or twisted/etc

Skulll stated that was true, I stated it was true......we both have told you that Britain has always had a low gun murder rate......it also spiked the first 10 years after they banned and confiscated guns, then returned to the same level it was at before they banned guns....showing for everyone to see, that gun control has not changed the ability of British criminals to get illegal guns....therefore, it is a failure.

 

[JoeB131]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

 

[2aguy]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

 

[2aguy]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

 

[SweetSue92]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

No, maybe just throw acid in their faces or run them down on the sidewalks.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

No, maybe just throw acid in their faces or run them down on the sidewalks.

Your murder rates are 4 times worse than ours across the board. So shut up and learn.
United Kingdom vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Britain has always had a low murder rate, including a low knife murder rate, a low club murder rate and a low bare hands murder rate.....and also a low gun murder rate. The problem you guys have is that their gun crime rate, where guns are used to injure, not kill, to rape, and rob....is going up.....and their violent crime rate against law abiding people is going through the roof.....which according to you is not supposed to happen after you ban and confiscate guns.

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

No, maybe just throw acid in their faces or run them down on the sidewalks.

Your murder rates are 4 times worse than ours across the board. So shut up and learn.
United Kingdom vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats

How 'bout jailing people for hate crimes or online bullying?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

US - lots of guns = lots of death
UK - few guns = lot less death

We are not unique. The whole ******* civilised world controls guns and has less death than the US. It really isnt complicated.

We have diverse communites.
We have angry people.
We have poverty.
We have drug problems
We have inequality
We have mental illness
We have violent computer games

All of these are blamed by gun nuts for gun crime.

And yet our gun crime is a fraction of yours.

How could gun control UK have less gun crime than the gun crazy US ? I just dont understand it .

Gun crime is going up in Britain. They have extreme gun control including gun banning and confiscation. Gun murder was always low in Britain, that did not change after the ban, therefore the ban did not create the low gun murder rate.

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

No, maybe just throw acid in their faces or run them down on the sidewalks.

Your murder rates are 4 times worse than ours across the board. So shut up and learn.
United Kingdom vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats

How 'bout jailing people for hate crimes or online bullying?

Absolutely. If you dont want to act in a civilised way you have no place in a civilised society.

The thing is that you need to reform your gun laws and stop the slaughter before tweaking other stuff. #priorities.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes..... again, they have always had a very low murder rate...except for that time when they were murdering Catholics.....but government murder does not interest you....so...

Meh, the Catholics probably had it coming...

Wow, yes, a country where they don't let average citizens own guns has a very low murder rate.. AMAZING.

then again, you'd probably cut four legs off of a frog, yell "Jump" and conclude that a frog with no legs is deaf.

 

[JoeB131]

The ban made no difference for the majority of people. Nobody owned a gun. I dont know anyone who owns a gun and I never have.Our crime rate is not linked to our gun laws. It is linked to having 20,000 less cops on the beat.

The UK is many times safer than the US because we dont have a gun culture, we dont have gun nuts, gun nuts do not own our politicians and we are not tied to a medieval constitution which guarentees our rights to kill our neighbours over any tiny dispute.

well said, Tommy.

The problem with the gun culture is that it's self perpetuating by design. The NRA floods the streets with guns, people like TooTinyGuy get scared and want more guns... and more guns... and more guns.

The thing is, the Gun Industry has concluded that their prime market are the gun nuts, the 3% of the population that owns 50% of the guns in this country.

Anyone want to bet that 2AGuy has enough guns to fight off the Zombie Apocalypse?

 

[Skull Pilot]

No you can get a link to how many murders were counted as murders in the UK because they only count the ones that end in a conviction in the courts as the document from the House of Commons clearly states

Yup... the Bobbies always get their man... or is that the Mounties? Never mind. Point being, they have a really, really low murder rate.