"Gun Appreciation Day" Didn't Work Out So Well,..
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I agree, most will not read anything that might counter their argument and automatically dismiss such research as trash. All statistical research has at least some degree of truth, the problem generally lies in the collation and interpretation of said data. I generally distrust academic research due to the fact most of it is carried out in a purely clinical vacuum, separated from real world conditions which frequently tends to skew results.
Other issues are definitions and their applications, categorizations and inherent bias that can ultimately work their way into the process.
Saigon
Gold Member
Big Reb -
I think everyone is aware that Australian gun control legislation has worked very well - and I say that as someone who was in Australia as recently as 3 weeks ago.
You can establish this fairly easily for yourself with real facts and numbers.
Linking to dead youtube accounts is hardly going to impress anyone.
Saigon
Gold Member
Yes, definitely - I couldn't agree more. My wife is an academic (not sciences, thank god) and certainly some of her work is so theoretical it makes me scream!!
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
Other articles debunking the myth that gun control has had no effect on gun murders and suicides in Australia.
Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/
Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/
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bigrebnc1775
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Doesn't look like it worked, oh that's right it only stopped mass killings.
Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
OH and that video?
[ame=http://youtu.be/Sv1CRLMTebo]Gun Control - Watch What Happens When Guns Are Banned - YouTube[/ame]
Saigon
Gold Member
Oh dear.
Homocide rates:
Australia: 1.0
USA: 4.8
Homocide rates:
Australia: 1.0
USA: 4.8
bigrebnc1775
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oh dear you have a greater chance of being a victim in Australia than in the U.S. and being a victim leads to other things even murder.
Worldwide – U.S. Ranks 1st in Gun Ownership and 28th in Gun Homicide
Assault victims Australia 2.4% U.S. 1.2%
Ranked 4th. 100% more than United States Ranked 11th
Rape victims Australia 1% U.S. 0.4%
Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States Ranked 13th.
Perception of safety > Walking in dark Australia 64% U.S. 82%
reporting that they feel safe walking in the dark.
Ranked 14th. Ranked 2nd. 28% more than Australia
NationMaster - Crime stats: Australia vs United States
Saigon
Gold Member
BigReb -
You just aren't going to win this one, man. It's just too easy, too obvious.
You just aren't going to win this one, man. It's just too easy, too obvious.
bigrebnc1775
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BigReb -
You just aren't going to win this one, man. It's just too easy, too obvious.
Worldwide – U.S. Ranks 1st in Gun Ownership and 28th in Gun Homicide
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
The article you linked to was from a right wing American think tank with no links to support their assertions. That's hardly an unbiased source which you set as the only acceptable criteria for you to believe, so no sell there.
Your video appears to be made in the US, but there is no source. There is no TV station or television network logo shown onscreen, which would be present if this was an actual broadcast news piece. At no time does the reporter identify herself or her station/network. At the very least there should a sign off by saying "This is Lois Lane reporting for DPTV, but there isn't even that.
As for the video content, it's interviews with three what purports to be three disgruntled former gun owners. Your neighbour could have rounded up three Aussie blokes she knows, and cobbled the whole thing together on her computer. There are no statistics, no interviews with any sort of public official to discuss the purported increases in crime.
I provided multiple links from diverse right wing and non-partisan sources, with further links to government reports, all of which debunk the uncredited right wing materials you linked to.
You set the standards for the "proofs" and then failed to meet them yourself. Nice work.
HereWeGoAgain
Diamond Member
Kinda funny that if you were to take away guns from a couple of ethnic groups our murder rate would be one of the lowest in the world.
Why not fix the real problem? Or is it just one of those things we cant do anything about?
HereWeGoAgain
Diamond Member
So what happens when your dangerous pet bites someone?
Like maybe one of those kids he's so fond of.
At least a gun only goes off when you pull the trigger. Unlike your killer dog who could go off at anytime.
I think we should just go ahead and kill your dog before he hurts someone.
HereWeGoAgain
Diamond Member
Any country that would prosecute a store owner for protecting his life and store is about as backassward as you can get.
I dont care what kind of weapon the criminal had. He was planning on doing harm and got what he deserved. I hope the store owner shot him multiple times...I would have.
bigrebnc1775
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Dragonlady
Designing Woman
No it didn't. At the bottom of the link it says:
The Examiner.com is a right wing blog owned by Phillip Anschultz.
Again, do you read this shit before you post links?
bigrebnc1775
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You want too see the data one more time? of course you don't But I don't give a ****
Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
bigrebnc1775
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And let's not forget about this
oh dear you have a greater chance of being a victim in Australia than in the U.S. and being a victim leads to other things even murder.
Worldwide – U.S. Ranks 1st in Gun Ownership and 28th in Gun Homicide
Assault victims Australia 2.4% U.S. 1.2%
Ranked 4th. 100% more than United States Ranked 11th
Rape victims Australia 1% U.S. 0.4%
Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States Ranked 13th.
Perception of safety > Walking in dark Australia 64% U.S. 82%
reporting that they feel safe walking in the dark.
Ranked 14th. Ranked 2nd. 28% more than Australia
NationMaster - Crime stats: Australia vs United States
oh dear you have a greater chance of being a victim in Australia than in the U.S. and being a victim leads to other things even murder.
Worldwide – U.S. Ranks 1st in Gun Ownership and 28th in Gun Homicide
Assault victims Australia 2.4% U.S. 1.2%
Ranked 4th. 100% more than United States Ranked 11th
Rape victims Australia 1% U.S. 0.4%
Ranked 5th. 150% more than United States Ranked 13th.
Perception of safety > Walking in dark Australia 64% U.S. 82%
reporting that they feel safe walking in the dark.
Ranked 14th. Ranked 2nd. 28% more than Australia
NationMaster - Crime stats: Australia vs United States
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
I want the link to where the Australian Bureau of Crime and Research says this because so far, you have two right wing blogs saying that the Austrailian Bureau of Crime and Researched have said this, BECAUSE THERE IS NO LINK TO THAT ARTICLE, JUST A BUNCH OF RIGHT WINGERS SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THE BUREAU SAID.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LINK TO THE ORIGINAL GOVERNMENT REPORT, YOU'VE GOT NO PROOF THEY EVER SAID SUCH A THING.
Ernie S.
Diamond Member
From the article:
The main article is linked, though it appears you must subscribe to view it. I'll assume that the information above is correct, that is, of course unless you come up with verifiable proof it is not.
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