GreenPeace lies about Dr. Moore.... again

[Sunsettommy]

Can you ******* idiots not read?!?!? "FOUNDERS AND FIRST MEMBERS" MEANS SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS LIST ARE NOT FOUNDERS !!!!!!

PATRICK MOORE'S NAME DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE DOCUMENTS OF INCORPORATION !!!!

The list was consistently five Founders from 2002-2015 (wives were added in 2012) Founders are the FIRST members you IDIOT!

"2007 Version:

In 1970, the Don't Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop a second nuclear weapons test at Amchitka Island in the Aleutians.

The committee's founders were Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, and Bob Hunter."

They now only say FOUNDERS (no mention of First members) but added NEW names to replace deleted names, the total number of Founders are still FIVE.

Jim Bohlen and Irving Stone always listed, NEW name Bob Hunter added in 2007 version, not mentioned at all in the earlier versions, which means he was not a Founder at one time.

They have made a number of changes of the list over time.

You finally getting it?

 

[Crick]

No, I am not getting it because you're a bunch of ******* idiots. Moore was never a founder. If you think he was please explain why his name does not appear on the documents of incorporation. I have yet to see any of you address that minor point.

Next, explain why a founder would submit a letter asking to join the organization five months after it was incorporated. None of you has yet chosen to address that point either.

First Members are NOT founders.

 

[Sunsettommy]

No, I am not getting it because you're a bunch of ******* idiots. Moore was never a founder. If you think he was please explain why his name does not appear on the documents of incorporation. I have yet to see any of you address that minor point.

Next, explain why a founder would submit a letter asking to join the organization five months after it was incorporated. None of you has yet chosen to address that point either.

First Members are NOT founders.

Then Jim Bohlen, Irving Stone, Jim Darnell, are not among the first FIVE members of the organization, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Crick]

The founders are the people whose names appear on the documents of incorporation. First members are not founders.

 

[Sunsettommy]

It is refreshing to that no other warmists stupid enough to come here to fight hard evidence that Dr. Moore was a founder. While I also showed that another person was taken off the list, while new "founder" was added after 40 years of not being there!

 

[Billy_Bob]

It is refreshing to that no other warmists stupid enough to come here to fight hard evidence that Dr. Moore was a founder. While I also showed that another person was taken off the list, while new "founder" was added after 40 years of not being there!

Facts don't matter to shills and trolls... Crick is both. He believes that additions and deletions after the fact are real and trump the facts... Its hilarious to watch the flopping about. Its no wonder he is an alarmist... He believes anything they feed him.

 

[westwall]

Watching crikey flail about is actually quite funny. I guess he doesn't understand that just because a person isn't on the incorporation documents doesn't mean they aren't a founder. Many people chose to not be named back then for legal reasons. Especially when they were just getting started. Take a look at Sea Shepard, they too have a few founder members, but very, very few of them are acknowledged in legal papers.

For a reason.

 

[mamooth]

Then Jim Bohlen, Irving Stone, Jim Darnell, are not among the first FIVE members of the organization, thanks for clearing that up.

What is it about "First members are not founders" that confuses you?

It doesn't confuse you. None of your deniers are that 'effing dumb. You all know you're lying.

And since you're lying trolls, "**** off, trolls" is the appropriate response to your lies.

 

[Crick]

Then someone who joined Greenpeace five years after the organization could declare himself a founder. Right? They've been around decades now. Five years in was nothing. They'd barely saved a single whale by that point.

Your argument is bullshit. Moore was NOT a founder of Greenpeace. Moore is lying to make money for himself and that's okay with all of you because you'd do the same thing if you had the chance.

Right?

Right.

And Mamooth is right. You're all trolling.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace
Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF).

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The letter doesn't address the Founders situation at all.

You actually destroyed your position anyway since that letter was dated March 16. 1971. He was already on the Founders list:

"In 1970, the Don't Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop the second test. The committee's founders and first members included:

• Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
• Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
• Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
• Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
• Bill Darnell, a social worker "

Notice that he is listed as ecology STUDENT in 1970.

Notice it shows he was a COMMITTEE member in 1970!

Just because he is a founder, doesn't mean he can just walk onto any ship or into anything that normally requires planning. He was being respectful and wants to be part of a team, which is why he made a FORMAL request to get on a ship. He was already a member of the, Dont make a wave Committee, a year earlier, thus your argument was already dead before it began.

Your arguments have been stupid, by continually ignoring the Founders list which has his name on it for over 3 decades, before it vanished. The obvious zooms right over your head since you must wonder why his name vanished after being on it for decades. Bill Darnells name vanished too after decades of being on the founders list.

Now I have showed you this before, which you ignored because it fatal to your idiotic claims:

"The names of JIM BOHLEN and Irving Stowe, are found on the 2002 Founders List, 2005 Founders List, 2012 Founder list and the 2015 Founders list", they are always listed as Founders, but other peoples names come and go over the decades, which means they have been changing the list without reason since anyone would understand that either you were there from the start or you never were there at all.

The SAME list The Bill Darnell and Moore was on, but now Darnell and Moore are missing from the list, but golly BOB HUNTER suddenly show up on the 2015 list as a Founder, this after NOT being any Founders list for decades.

Meanwhile Moore was already there before it was a REGISTERED group.

"The “Greenpeace Foundation” was registered in British Columbia on May 4, 1972"

Many people are now openly wondering about your state of mind, since you keep ignoring solid evidence over and over, that your letter was dated in 1971, many months after he was already a member of the "Don't make a wave committee" group, should have been enough to show you have ZERO case about Dr. Moore''s status.

 

[Crick]

Have fun. I am done arguing with people who cannot apparently read "founders and first members".

 

[Sunsettommy]

Have fun. I am done arguing with people who cannot apparently read "founders and first members".

Apparently you can't read that he was on the Don't Make A Wave Committee list in 1970.

You ignored a lot of relevant stuff in the thread, because you KNOW you can't address them.

Which comes first?

"In 1970, the Don't Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop the second test. The committee's founders and first members included:

• Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
• Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
• Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
• Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
• Bill Darnell, a social worker "

Or,

The March 16, 1971 Letter.

I know it is really hard for you to figure it out, but you have a 50% change of making the right decision.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Then Jim Bohlen, Irving Stone, Jim Darnell, are not among the first FIVE members of the organization, thanks for clearing that up.

What is it about "First members are not founders" that confuses you?

It doesn't confuse you. None of your deniers are that 'effing dumb. You all know you're lying.

And since you're lying trolls, "**** off, trolls" is the appropriate response to your lies.

I missed your brainless comment, which deserve a another reminder that idiots like you need to read the evidence more carefully:

This is straight off the Greenpeace website,

"In 1970, the Don't Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop the second test. The committee's founders and first members included:

• Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
• Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
• Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
• Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
• Bill Darnell, a social worker "


This came from the FOUNDERS page, which you should have noticed at the top of the Greenpeace page.

If you ever tried thinking, you would learn that Founders are ALWAYS the first members of an organization. Look at the list again, do you see any distinction on who are the founders and who are the first members?

There are none, the word INCLUDED should have been enough for most people, but you and crick fail English comprehension so skillfully that I wonder if you did it on purpose.

DR. Moore was a founding member in 1970, that is something you can't dispute.

 

[Crick]

If founders and first members are the same thing, why mention both?

Why did Moore send the committee an application 14 months after the organization formed and six months after it was incorporated to join the Phyllis Cormack as a crewmember?

Why does Moore's name not appear on the documents of incorporation filed fully ten months after the committee initially formed the organization?

 

[Sunsettommy]

If founders and first members are the same thing, why mention both?

Why did Moore send the committee an application 14 months after the organization formed and six months after it was incorporated to join the Phyllis Cormack as a crewmember?

Why does Moore's name not appear on the documents of incorporation filed fully ten months after the committee initially formed the organization?

Gee it takes just ONE person to incorporate an existing group, and he was there at the office when it happened, but his name was not needed for that.

Westwall already addressed your silly unsupported assertion in post 27 anyway.

He was a founding member, but only a student at the time, which means he had no specific powers of office, thus the reason why he would write requesting to be a part of a boat trip. The real power at the time were Irving Stowe and Dorothy Stowe who was the Secretary/Correspondence, who were the first directors of the organization.

"In 1970, the Don't Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop the second test. The committee's founders and first members included:

• Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
• Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
• Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
• Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
• Bill Darnell, a social worker "

He was ALREADY a committee member for a year when he wrote the letter asking for a place on a boat, he was a student only with ZERO organizational power listed. Irving Stowe and his wife were the only ones who had listed duties of office. Moore was just a member and that was all at the time of the March 16, 1971 letter.

It is clear you are a very slow thinker, who can't see the whole picture from the sum of its parts.

 

[SSDD]

Have fun. I am done arguing with people who cannot apparently read "founders and first members".

Apparently you can't read that he was on the Don't Make A Wave Committee list in 1970.

You ignored a lot of relevant stuff in the thread, because you KNOW you can't address them.

Which comes first?

"In 1970, the Don't Make A Wave Committee was established; its sole objective was to stop the second test. The committee's founders and first members included:

• Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
• Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
• Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
• Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
• Bill Darnell, a social worker "

Or,

The March 16, 1971 Letter.

I know it is really hard for you to figure it out, but you have a 50% change of making the right decision.

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