Greenlanders dreaming of something they will never have

[Flopper]

No, and I don't believe US foreign policy is created and enforced by the "good guys."

Foreign interventions by the United States - Wikipedia

"The United States government has been involved in numerous interventions in foreign countries throughout its history.

"The U.S. has engaged in nearly 400 military interventions between 1776 and 2023, with half of these operations occurring since 1950 and over 25% occurring in the post-Cold War period.<a href="Foreign interventions by the United States - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

"Common objectives of U.S. foreign interventions have revolved around economic opportunity, social protection, protection of U.S. citizens and diplomats, territorial expansion, fomenting regime change, nation-building, and enforcing international law."

The US foreign policy and interventions can be explained by one statement. 41% of revenue of the S&P 500 companies and 59% of the Information and Technology sector comes from abroad.

 

[Flopper]

I think you are underestimating the changes that have occurred since Trump first entered the White House in 2017 due to the botched pandemic, NATO's lost proxy war in Ukraine, and the murderous, US-enabled genocide in Gaza.

Much of this planet sees US capitalism at the heart of the rot of the "Donroe Doctrine" and its Fortress America grift for the benefit of fat profits for arms manufacturers.

Since 1823 the American ruling class's clear intention to dominate the Western Hemisphere has been grudgingly accepted by most of the world; those days are gone, done in by the laws of economic, political and military gravity that stopped US imperialism in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Trump's "pivot to the Americas" will add Greenland to that list of failed imperial projects instituted primarily to defend the power and profits of the US capitalist class.

Good riddance.

Trump’s empire of chaos and the delusion of ‘Fortress America’ | The Communist

All of the land in Greenland is owned by the Denmark and they are not going to sell it to Trump and he's not going to go to war against NATO over Greenland.

Greenland would be an even worst place for a Trump Tower than Gaza.

 

[Flopper]

I would prefer Greenland's voters decide democratically how much business they want their government to conduct with Russia, China, and/or the US.

The mindless American "patriots" who constantly vomit up excuses for their government's human rights violations from Korea to Kandahar make adolescence look like enlightenment by comparison.

The US empire is crumbling just like every other abomination in world history, and all your simple-minded WHINING in protest won't change anything.

Opinion: Opinion | Just Like Rome, The American Empire Is Crumbling From Within

"Washington DC – America's Rome?​

"The parallels between Washington DC. and Rome—in terms of trappings of power, grandeur and diplomacy—are unmistakable.

"Much like ancient Rome, Washington is a beacon of authority where world leaders arrive to pay respects and seek influence.

"From the remote reaches of Britannia to the deserts of Egypt, emissaries once travelled to Rome to bask in its glory and secure the emperor's favour.

"In its own way, Washington DC appears to be the heir to this imperial aura, with diplomats, heads of state and dignitaries flocking to its corridors to align themselves with American power."

Well that's not going happen. Denmark owns ever square inch of Greenland. There is no private ownership. Greenlanders can elect leaders, make regional laws and enforce them but they have no say in what Denmark will do with the Island. Any deals Trump makes with Greenland such as opening more military bases or developing the Island would require the approval of Denmark.

 

[Flopper]

There's a nice piece of irrelevant crap. Once the Greenlanders are on their own, they will figure out that becoming a US territory (or equivalent) is the best way to survive and prosper.

The Philippines, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Palau, and Panama Canal Zone all decided being a US territory was not in their best interest. Territories receive far less federal support than states and have none of the sovereignty of a state. In other words, there are no real benefits.

Any invasion of Greenland would be countered directly by the US since we have a miliary base there and since Greenland is territory of Denmark, NATO would also be involved.

 

[jwoodie]

The Philippines, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Palau, and Panama Canal Zone all decided being a US territory was not in their best interest. Territories receive far less federal support than states and have none of the sovereignty of a state. In other words, there are no real benefits.

Any invasion of Greenland would be countered directly by the US since we have a miliary base there and since Greenland is territory of Denmark, NATO would also be involved.

With respect to any future association with Greenland, I used the term territory in a generic sense ("or equivalent"). Whatever legal status that might entail would have to be negotiated.

However, I don't think the examples you provided are appropriate to Greenland. All of them (except the Canal Zone) were thrust upon the US as a result of unrelated wars, and we had no intention of permanent ownership. Texas and Puerto Rico might be better examples of voluntary association with the US, both of which want(ed) to be States.

Regarding Greenland, it is free to declare independence (from Denmark) at any time it wishes. Like Puerto Rico, it will have a variety of opinions about that. Ultimately, it will decide whether it wants to remain a backwater or an economic success story.

 

[georgephillip]

The US foreign policy and interventions can be explained by one statement. 41% of revenue of the S&P 500 companies and 59% of the Information and Technology sector comes from abroad.

Michael Hudson has written extensively on how 800 US military bases around the world enforce an American strategy that compels foreign states to sell their most profitable industrial sectors to US investors and force those governments to only borrow from the United States-- which sounds almost mafia-like

Dollar Recycling | Michael Hudson

"My (Hudson) book 'Super Imperialism' was about how the United States has gained a free lunch by establishing the dollar as international reserve currency by replacing gold.

"I also showed that the U.S. balance of payments deficit is almost entirely military related to support its 800 bases around the world.

"Ending the gold-exchange standard in 1971 created a situation in which the excess U.S. dollars thrown off by the U.S. payments deficit end up in foreign central banks."

 

[georgephillip]

Well that's not going happen. Denmark owns ever square inch of Greenland. There is no private ownership. Greenlanders can elect leaders, make regional laws and enforce them but they have no say in what Denmark will do with the Island. Any deals Trump makes with Greenland such as opening more military bases or developing the Island would require the approval of Denmark.

According to ChatGPT, most of Greenland's land is uninhabited and considered public land, controlled by the Greenlandic government rather than Denmark directly.

Greenland's government manages land use, including housing, infrastructure, and resource extraction; however, Denmark retains control over areas like foreign affairs and defense.

 

[OldFlame]

Michael Hudson has written extensively on how 800 US military bases around the world enforce an American strategy that compels foreign states to sell their most profitable industrial sectors to US investors and force those governments to only borrow from the United States-- which sounds almost mafia-like

Dollar Recycling | Michael Hudson

"My (Hudson) book 'Super Imperialism' was about how the United States has gained a free lunch by establishing the dollar as international reserve currency by replacing gold.

"I also showed that the U.S. balance of payments deficit is almost entirely military related to support its 800 bases around the world.

"Ending the gold-exchange standard in 1971 created a situation in which the excess U.S. dollars thrown off by the U.S. payments deficit end up in foreign central banks."

Not to worry, China will be taking over that role soon, and you won't have to be a self-loathing idiot any longer, altho I'm sure it's in your DNA at this point, so you'll hate your own country until the day you die. Sad and pathetic.

 

[OldFlame]

According to ChatGPT, most of Greenland's land is uninhabited and considered public land, controlled by the Greenlandic government rather than Denmark directly.

Greenland's government manages land use, including housing, infrastructure, and resource extraction; however, Denmark retains control over areas like foreign affairs and defense.

It will all be China's soon, not to worry. But at least you can rest easy knowing that your own pathetic country doesn't control it.

 

[georgephillip]

Not to worry, China will be taking over that role soon, and you won't have to be a self-loathing idiot any longer, altho I'm sure it's in your DNA at this point, so you'll hate your own country until the day you die. Sad and pathetic.

You think an accident of birth means you can abdicate conscience.

It doesn't.

The fact you would rather follow orders than exercise your personal responsibility to make critical assessments of your government's crimes means you are self-loathing and probably too gutless to change:
Self Loathing: Causes, Tips, And Therapies

 

[georgephillip]

It will all be China's soon, not to worry. But at least you can rest easy knowing that your own pathetic country doesn't control it.

The last thing Greenland needs is to become the last victim of US dollarization.

China and Russia already knew the perils

Dollar Recycling | Michael Hudson

"The U.S. strategy is to control of your economy in order to force you to sell your most profitable industrial sectors to US investors, to force you to invest in your industry only by borrowing from the United States.

"So the question is, how do China, Russia, Iran and other countries break free of this U.S. dollarization strategy?

"As now constituted, dollarization creates a circular flow that finances American military spending by forcing the costs onto foreign central banks holding dollars.

"The solution obviously is to avoid using dollars in order to break free of American control of your economy.

"To do this, you have to have a non-Dollar currency.

"This currency alternative has to be large enough to have a critical mass, so that it can be used internationally.

"That’s why China, Russia, Iran and their allies are trying to create their own currency area, incorporating largely the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

"The aim is denominate your foreign trade, investment and government spending in your own currency.

"It is necessary to break away not only from the U.S. dollar, but also from the International Monetary Fund"

 

[Flopper]

With respect to any future association with Greenland, I used the term territory in a generic sense ("or equivalent"). Whatever legal status that might entail would have to be negotiated.

However, I don't think the examples you provided are appropriate to Greenland. All of them (except the Canal Zone) were thrust upon the US as a result of unrelated wars, and we had no intention of permanent ownership. Texas and Puerto Rico might be better examples of voluntary association with the US, both of which want(ed) to be States.

Regarding Greenland, it is free to declare independence (from Denmark) at any time it wishes. Like Puerto Rico, it will have a variety of opinions about that. Ultimately, it will decide whether it wants to remain a backwater or an economic success story.

Regardless of how the US got them, the people decided that being an independent state was more advantageous than being a US territory.

 

[Flopper]

According to ChatGPT, most of Greenland's land is uninhabited and considered public land, controlled by the Greenlandic government rather than Denmark directly.

Greenland's government manages land use, including housing, infrastructure, and resource extraction; however, Denmark retains control over areas like foreign affairs and defense.

Yes Greenlanders control the island, that is they have elected leaders and a parliament, that makes laws and enforces them. However, there is no private ownership of the land. Denmark owns all the land and sets foreign policy in regard to Greenland. Thus Greenlanders can not negotiate with foreign powers as an independent state. They have partitioned Denmark for independence which most Danes believe will eventually happen. But for now, any deal with the US will involve Denmark.

 

[Flopper]

We do not want to be Americans: Greenland's Prime Minister rejects Trump's proposal

Greenland's Prime Minister Múte Bourup Egede asserted that Greenland cannot be bought or taken, emphasizing the island's right to self-determination. His statement comes after President Trump expressed the United States' interest in acquiring Greenland. Trump's comments have fueled interest in...

m.economictimes.com

Greenland cannot remain independent.. Even what they have now is only an illusion of independence. That doesn't mean they have to submit to tyranny but it does mean they have to make a choice and they need to make one soon.
Without anyway to defend either their waterways or their acreage Greenland's claim to independence is nothing but a fairytale.

Going forward They will not be able sustain any kind of workable economy, provide any real security or even make decisions about the development of their land. Trump is right... in this condition Greenland presents a security threat to North America.

This is not hard to understand.

You need to understand that Greenland is not independent. It is a semi-autonomous territory in the Kingdom of Denmark.

Defense of the Island is not an issue. NATO would be compelled to respond to any attack on Greenland. That would mean the US would also be so compelled, first by it's membership in NATO and second because we have a base there.

Trump's statements about Greenland's lack of defense was pretty dumb and his statements about taking over Greenland by force if necessary was even dumber. That pretty well guaranteed that relations between Greenland and the US would be hostel. Apparently his negotiating skills are falling victim to his senility.

 

[Flopper]

We do not want to be Americans: Greenland's Prime Minister rejects Trump's proposal

Greenland's Prime Minister Múte Bourup Egede asserted that Greenland cannot be bought or taken, emphasizing the island's right to self-determination. His statement comes after President Trump expressed the United States' interest in acquiring Greenland. Trump's comments have fueled interest in...

m.economictimes.com

Greenland cannot remain independent.. Even what they have now is only an illusion of independence. That doesn't mean they have to submit to tyranny but it does mean they have to make a choice and they need to make one soon.
Without anyway to defend either their waterways or their acreage Greenland's claim to independence is nothing but a fairytale.

Going forward They will not be able sustain any kind of workable economy, provide any real security or even make decisions about the development of their land. Trump is right... in this condition Greenland presents a security threat to North America.

This is not hard to understand.

You need to understand the Greenland is not independent.

 

[jwoodie]

Regardless of how the US got them, the people decided that being an independent state was more advantageous than being a US territory.

The people of Texas didn't think so, and neither do the people of Puerto Rico. Greenland may opt for independence from Denmark, but it will still need some security guarantee from the US.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[braalian]

According to ChatGPT, most of Greenland's land is uninhabited

You needed ChatGPT to tell you that?