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Greece: new PM is atheist, to be sworn-in without clergy

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Church and state in Greece A courteous distance The Economist

Greece's new prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, made history within hours of his victory by informing the Archbishop of Athens, very politely, that clerical services would not be required for his swearing-in ceremony. An avowed atheist who has nonetheless made a point of dealing courteously with senior clergy, Mr Tsipras lost no time in making known that his oath of office would be a secular procedure. It was also explained that when the whole cabinet was sworn in, a more junior cleric (but not the archbishop) would be invited to assist those who wished to take a religious oath.

It's hard to overstate what a rupture this marks with the ceremonial culture of Greece. For as long as anybody can remember, every senior office-holder, from socialists to right-wing dictators, has assumed the post with a ritual involving Bibles, crosses and often holy water, sprinkled about with a sprig of basil. The opening words of the Greek constitution recall the theological formulas of the early church which predate by the Hellenic state by more than 1,300 years: "In the name of the holy, consubstantial and indivisible Trinity......"


Let the 666-Damien-Omen jokes now commence.
 

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But they just got a shipment of incense...
 

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Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.
 

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Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.

*snort* The dogmatic belief in equality is a religion.

Leftism is the most successful religion of the 20th century.
 
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Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.

*snort* The dogmatic belief in equality is a religion.

Leftism is the most successful religion of the 20th century.

Absolutely wrong on both counts.

Liberalism is not a religion.
And believing in equality is also not a religion.

Welcome to USMB. Helluva start for you there, li'l slugger.
 

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Good for him.
 

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Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.
What exactly is your complaint against the Orthodox Church in Greece?

You know nothing of Greece or its Orthodox Christian heritage and the integral part it plays in Greek identity, so I advise you keep your mouth shut on these matters. You really don't know what you are talking about.
 

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Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.
What exactly is your complaint against the Orthodox Church in Greece?

You know nothing of Greece or its Orthodox Christian heritage and the integral part it plays in Greek identity, so I advise you keep your mouth shut on these matters. You really don't know what you are talking about.

"You advise" huh?

Here's my advice to you: :fu:
 

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Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.
What exactly is your complaint against the Orthodox Church in Greece?

You know nothing of Greece or its Orthodox Christian heritage and the integral part it plays in Greek identity, so I advise you keep your mouth shut on these matters. You really don't know what you are talking about.

"You advise" huh?

Here's my advice to you: :fu:
Why don't you go talk about Gay Marriage or how Democrats will solve all your country's crippling problems. That is about the depth of your knowledge. You don't know the first thing about Greece. So your comments about the Orthodox Church have no place as you have no idea what your are talking about. Yo follow it as well".
 

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Those who leaders who stand in direct opposition
Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.
What exactly is your complaint against the Orthodox Church in Greece?

You know nothing of Greece or its Orthodox Christian heritage and the integral part it plays in Greek identity, so I advise you keep your mouth shut on these matters. You really don't know what you are talking about.

"You advise" huh?

Here's my advice to you: :fu:
Why don't you go talk about Gay Marriage or how Democrats will solve all your country's crippling problems. That is about the depth of your knowledge. You don't know the first thing about Greece. So your comments about the Orthodox Church have no place as you have no idea what your are talking about. Yo follow it as well".

Why don't you suck a monkey's asshole.

I posted nothing about Greece or the Orthodox Church. If you weren't an illiterate whose nanny didn't show up to read to him today you might have seen that.

In closing, bite my ass.
 

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Those who leaders who stand in direct opposition
Excellent. :clap2:

Religions and politics have been in bed together WAAAAAAY too long.
What exactly is your complaint against the Orthodox Church in Greece?

You know nothing of Greece or its Orthodox Christian heritage and the integral part it plays in Greek identity, so I advise you keep your mouth shut on these matters. You really don't know what you are talking about.

"You advise" huh?

Here's my advice to you: :fu:
Why don't you go talk about Gay Marriage or how Democrats will solve all your country's crippling problems. That is about the depth of your knowledge. You don't know the first thing about Greece. So your comments about the Orthodox Church have no place as you have no idea what your are talking about. Yo follow it as well".

Why don't you suck a monkey's asshole.

I posted nothing about Greece or the Orthodox Church. If you weren't an illiterate whose nanny didn't show up to read to him today you might have seen that.

In closing, bite my ass.
You were the one that said religion was in bed with politics for way too long. What does this mean other than the Church in Greece being involved with Greek politics. Or are you trying to make some dumb claim about America and trying to appropriate it to Greece? Those are literally the only two ways you could have made such a foolish statement
 

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Go learn to read, shit-where-brains-are-supposed-to-be :fu:
 

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Go learn to read, shit-where-brains-are-supposed-to-be :fu:
What a waste of text space, instead of making yourself more ridiculous and not answering a basic question as to what you meant by your post, you would have been better off saying nothing.
 

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:fu:
 

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I see that this thread has turned into a veritable love-fest.

:rofl:



Poignantly ironic too that in a topic about Greece, traditional ancestral home of "democracy" as well as the logical fathers Aristotle, Plato and Socrates -- a control freak would saunter in ordering people to "keep your mouth shut".

Can't make this place up.
 
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I see that this thread has turned into a veritable love-fest.

:rofl:



Poignantly ironic too that in a topic about Greece, traditional ancestral home of "democracy" as well as the logical fathers Aristotle, Plato and Socrates -- a control freak would saunter in ordering people to "keep your mouth shut".

Can't make this place up.


Ain't life wonderful?
 

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