Great Socialist Victories Propelling New Economy--Recovery Is Real!

[daveman]

I'll bet Mescale has one of Barry's new bumper stickers on her car.

You know the ones for his re-election?? I saw one this AM on my way to work.

I STILL BELIEVE!!

Jesus I guess there still are some gullible souls out there still worshiping at his alter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I can't tell if the OP is sarcasm or not.

 

[daveman]

Peace and Freedom Party, and Libertarians: Are picking up support in this thread(?)!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(What made the Red Angela Davis, a Red(?)?! Maybe not plenty o' sunshine! Hmmm!)

Platform of the Peace and Freedom Party

Particularly entertaining excerpts:

We demand a socially useful job at union pay levels or a guaranteed dignified income for everyone.
We support the establishment of a Universal Basic Income (UBI) to alleviate poverty and homelessness.
We call for a 30-hour work week for 40 hours' pay and abolition of forced overtime.
We demand a legally mandated annual paid vacation of at least 4 weeks.
We call for open borders.
We demand an end to deportations of immigrants.
We demand full political, social and economic rights for resident non-citizens.
Tuition-free higher education available to all.
Resident non-citizens should have the right to vote, particularly in local and school elections.
​

And not one single realistic idea of how to pay for it all, except for "tax the rich!!"

What is the source of all this lunacy?

"The Peace and Freedom Party, founded in 1967..."

Hippies. Hippies who never grew up. Sad, really.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Peace and Freedom Party, and Libertarians: Are picking up support in this thread(?)!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(What made the Red Angela Davis, a Red(?)?! Maybe not plenty o' sunshine! Hmmm!)

Platform of the Peace and Freedom Party

Particularly entertaining excerpts:

We demand a socially useful job at union pay levels or a guaranteed dignified income for everyone.
We support the establishment of a Universal Basic Income (UBI) to alleviate poverty and homelessness.
We call for a 30-hour work week for 40 hours' pay and abolition of forced overtime.
We demand a legally mandated annual paid vacation of at least 4 weeks.
We call for open borders.
We demand an end to deportations of immigrants.
We demand full political, social and economic rights for resident non-citizens.
Tuition-free higher education available to all.
Resident non-citizens should have the right to vote, particularly in local and school elections.
​

And not one single realistic idea of how to pay for it all, except for "tax the rich!!"

What is the source of all this lunacy?

"The Peace and Freedom Party, founded in 1967..."

Hippies. Hippies who never grew up. Sad, really.

Looks like they're housed in CA. Nuff said.

 

[Liberty]

 

[daveman]

Peace and Freedom Party, and Libertarians: Are picking up support in this thread(?)!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(What made the Red Angela Davis, a Red(?)?! Maybe not plenty o' sunshine! Hmmm!)

Platform of the Peace and Freedom Party

Particularly entertaining excerpts:

We demand a socially useful job at union pay levels or a guaranteed dignified income for everyone.
We support the establishment of a Universal Basic Income (UBI) to alleviate poverty and homelessness.
We call for a 30-hour work week for 40 hours' pay and abolition of forced overtime.
We demand a legally mandated annual paid vacation of at least 4 weeks.
We call for open borders.
We demand an end to deportations of immigrants.
We demand full political, social and economic rights for resident non-citizens.
Tuition-free higher education available to all.
Resident non-citizens should have the right to vote, particularly in local and school elections.
​

And not one single realistic idea of how to pay for it all, except for "tax the rich!!"

What is the source of all this lunacy?

"The Peace and Freedom Party, founded in 1967..."

Hippies. Hippies who never grew up. Sad, really.

Looks like they're housed in CA. Nuff said.

The Sixties called. They want their fail back.

 

[mascale]

Forward Thinking Progressives are always in the Socialist Vanguard. There is no choice in the matter, however, since Laissez-Faire Does Not, and Cannot, Exist. Laizzez-Faire is reliant on a market place. The maket place tends to rely on a currency. The currency is denominated. Denominations happen in an arithmetic system. The system has rules which influence outcomes.

That is before there is a market place, and that all precludes laissez-faire. The intervention precedes it all: And never goes away. The Party of Abraham Lincoln has its concept of Laissez Faire. That relies on jailing the political opposition, shuttering the opposition press. that Forces prayerful idolatory on the population. Their concept requires loyalty oaths. Their concept allows uneven application of the rules. Their concept creates exploitation and deprivation as something ordained, even by the various deities--collapsed into one deity. War is a part of the concept.

In the alternative: There are the following excerpts noted:

--"We demand a socially useful job at union pay levels or a guaranteed dignified income for everyone." (Unions Exist, and Liberals Make the Same demand--since the market does rely on the widest possible distribution of the denominated currency!)

--"We support the establishment of a Universal Basic Income (UBI) to alleviate poverty and homelessness." (Even the Party of Abraham Lincoln knows about the "safety net." The "Reagan Trajectory" knows about the safety net. Bush II, Terms I and II, was fond of throwing it around on people. Bush I, Term I, mainly threw it up onto other people.)

--"We call for a 30-hour work week for 40 hours' pay and abolition of forced overtime." (The lesser workweek, with higher wages, has been the hallmark of the U. S. economy for decades.)

--"We demand a legally mandated annual paid vacation of at least 4 weeks." (Between sick days, holidays, and vacation days: Then this demand is fait acompli.)

--"We call for open borders." (Hispanics are most knowledgeable about this subject, here, already! Probably the Eurozone knows about this! Probably fish families, know all about this! Presumably humans have at least as much sense!)

--"We demand an end to deportations of immigrants." (The Texas legislature is already pretty much on board with this one: Ostensibly to keep the rest of populaiton out of federal prison.)

--"We demand full political, social and economic rights for resident non-citizens." (The courts have allowed that in-state residency rules, even, do apply to resident non-citizens just this week.)

--"Tuition-free higher education available to all." (Much of advanced California civilization grew up with this, and it became a role model for the world.)

--"Resident non-citizens should have the right to vote, particularly in local and school elections." (Even the dead have this right, in famous American cities of our heartland!)

Posters have claimed that most of the above is untenable, when most of it in fact is already the U. S. way of life.

Their replies might be taken as, "Your all really Socialist, in case you didn't know it!)

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(Socialist Widespread Wealth Worldwide, reliant on the logical system of arithmetic, is created from computing--Like in the raised and indexed standard deduction and personal exemptions in the 1986 tax reform, when applied at the payroll source. Schedule M--the Refundable Make-Work-Pay concept: Avoided the taking of people off of the tax rolls--which other tax relief computed--and instead provided a check to all filers, even if there was no liability for income taxes, and so it became like a first-ever-in-history, Nationwide Cost-of-Living Adjustment, computed like in Matt 20: 1-16, in equal amounts, not percentages. Religious people would call it, even: "Change You Can Believe In!" A lot of them are black, of course, and so the Party of Abraham Lincoln, took it away!)

 

[Two Thumbs]

Forward Thinking Progressives are always in the Socialist Vanguard. There is no choice in the matter, however, since Laissez-Faire Does Not, and Cannot, Exist. Laizzez-Faire is reliant on a market place. The maket place tends to rely on a currency. The currency is denominated. Denominations happen in an arithmetic system. The system has rules which influence outcomes.

That is before there is a market place, and that all precludes laissez-faire. The intervention precedes it all: And never goes away. The Party of Abraham Lincoln has its concept of Laissez Faire. That relies on jailing the political opposition, shuttering the opposition press. that Forces prayerful idolatory on the population. Their concept requires loyalty oaths. Their concept allows uneven application of the rules. Their concept creates exploitation and deprivation as something ordained, even by the various deities--collapsed into one deity. War is a part of the concept.

In the alternative: There are the following excerpts noted:

--"We demand a socially useful job at union pay levels or a guaranteed dignified income for everyone." (Unions Exist, and Liberals Make the Same demand--since the market does rely on the widest possible distribution of the denominated currency!)

--"We support the establishment of a Universal Basic Income (UBI) to alleviate poverty and homelessness." (Even the Party of Abraham Lincoln knows about the "safety net." The "Reagan Trajectory" knows about the safety net. Bush II, Terms I and II, was fond of throwing it around on people. Bush I, Term I, mainly threw it up onto other people.)

--"We call for a 30-hour work week for 40 hours' pay and abolition of forced overtime." (The lesser workweek, with higher wages, has been the hallmark of the U. S. economy for decades.)

--"We demand a legally mandated annual paid vacation of at least 4 weeks." (Between sick days, holidays, and vacation days: Then this demand is fait acompli.)

--"We call for open borders." (Hispanics are most knowledgeable about this subject, here, already! Probably the Eurozone knows about this! Probably fish families, know all about this! Presumably humans have at least as much sense!)

--"We demand an end to deportations of immigrants." (The Texas legislature is already pretty much on board with this one: Ostensibly to keep the rest of populaiton out of federal prison.)

--"We demand full political, social and economic rights for resident non-citizens." (The courts have allowed that in-state residency rules, even, do apply to resident non-citizens just this week.)

--"Tuition-free higher education available to all." (Much of advanced California civilization grew up with this, and it became a role model for the world.)

--"Resident non-citizens should have the right to vote, particularly in local and school elections." (Even the dead have this right, in famous American cities of our heartland!)

Posters have claimed that most of the above is untenable, when most of it in fact is already the U. S. way of life.

Their replies might be taken as, "Your all really Socialist, in case you didn't know it!)

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(Socialist Widespread Wealth Worldwide, reliant on the logical system of arithmetic, is created from computing--Like in the raised and indexed standard deduction and personal exemptions in the 1986 tax reform, when applied at the payroll source. Schedule M--the Refundable Make-Work-Pay concept: Avoided the taking of people off of the tax rolls--which other tax relief computed--and instead provided a check to all filers, even if there was no liability for income taxes, and so it became like a first-ever-in-history, Nationwide Cost-of-Living Adjustment, computed like in Matt 20: 1-16, in equal amounts, not percentages. Religious people would call it, even: "Change You Can Believe In!" A lot of them are black, of course, and so the Party of Abraham Lincoln, took it away!)

I was serious when I advised you to not hit the pipe before posting.

 

[daveman]

I was serious when I advised you to not hit the pipe before posting.

Friends don't let friends toke and post.

Guess he doesn't have any friends.

 

[mascale]

Daveman and Two Thumbs poster show the fundamental problem with the non-existent laissez-faire approach to an economic agenda in the political mainstream. The Party of Abraham Lincoln appealed to fears originally, after the few crazies actually went after Fort Sumter. Bush II Term I famously invented "Weapons of Mass Destruction," in Iraq after the few crazies were atomized in the NYC skyscrapers on 9/11. Still they were alleged to be everywhere(?)!

Up against real things, The Party of Abraham Lincoln cannot win elections!

Mitt Romney and the Weak GOP Field: Why Obama's Still Untouchable in 2012 - The Daily Beast

Most recently, even the Gingrich top staffers finally tried seek more permanent work.

There is so far a widely explained dip in the Socialist turnaround of the labor market. So opposed to labor are the Party of Abraham Lincoln right-wing crazies that Gingrich has set about to celebrate with luxury cruise--at the time like this.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Young braves too, customarily show native prowess aboard wild ponies, like nakedly cavorting, Tea Party GOP--out of touch with it, green-apple quick-step time!)

 

[Seawytch]

You can look to cities like Detroit and their drop in unemployment to see the stimulus at work. Stop lying about the stimulus folks...it DID work (it just wasn't big enough as Paul Krugman has always said)

 

[Uncensored2008]

Friends don't let friends toke and post.

Guess he doesn't have any friends.

Imagine that?

LOL

 

[Truthmatters]

You see, in the midst of a recession and in the early stages of a recovery, employers have power over workers scared of losing their jobs. Many employees are sacked. Workers who remain have to take on extra work. At first, it's easier to pay them overtime than to hire and train new workers. Thus, productivity shows a big boost as the workers who still have jobs put their noses to the grindstone.

Eventually, economic activity reaches a point at which existing workers simply can't handle the increased load. New workers are hired. They are less efficient, and maybe not as smart or experienced. The fear of unemployment begins to fade for everyone -- maybe they add a few minutes to the coffee break, maybe they leave on time instead of waiting until the boss leaves, maybe they use up all their vacation days. Maybe they use up all their vacation days. All of these factors push down productivity. The more it drops, the more employers are forced to bring on new workers to keep expanding production and growing their business.

We're reaching that point now.


http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-propelling-new-economy-recovery-is-real.html

 

[daveman]

And leftists wonder why people say they're stupid.

 

[mascale]

The Old Fat White People, Cavorting About Naked On Other Peoples Yachts--Dumping Substance And Other Treasure Into the Sea--Are Economy Contractors, Not Expanders. Mainly they perversely want it all, only for themselves!

Bush II, Terms I & II, can understand a thing or two about GOP Conservative Berserkers!

"Traditionally, the Republicans have favored cutting taxes, an act that benefits economic growth. Democrats traditionally have wanted to spend more, which also benefits economic growth. Unfortunately, the Tea Party, a perverted outgrowth of President Reagan’s memorable statement, “. . . government is the problem,” has taken over the Republican Party, who now will do and say anything to get into power."

"This has dragged in the Democrats, who will do and say anything to stay in power, so both parties now are preaching an anti growth line, being led by a group of economic know-nothings. Extreme views often gain favor during difficult times, when people are desperate for a solution, and in this case, the extreme views are supported by the wealthy. Note how such luminaries as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have made statements actually supporting a tax increase! Why do rich people want their taxes raised? Not out of generosity. Read on."

"Because a growing economy requires a growing supply of money, a tax increase and/or a spending reduction reduce economic growth. And no matter how it’s done, deficit reduction hurts the lower incomes most. Consider a tax increase on the wealthiest. What does it accomplish? It reduces the amount of money in the economy. A Monetarily Sovereign nation does not spend tax money. It has no need to. The spending itself creates money. So what happens to tax money? It leaves the economy and is destroyed. It simply ceases to exist."

"History shows that every depression and most recessions not only have been caused by reductions in the money supply, but even by reductions in money supply growth. See: SUMMARY. Who suffers most during recessions and depressions – the wealthiest or the poorest? Right, the poorest."

"Although tax increases will force the wealthiest to pay more taxes, that will not affect their life styles. They’ll find more tax “loopholes.” They’ll get by on two cars rather than three (Dealerships may fire some working salespeople), and the remodeling of the 2nd home may be delayed a year (Some tradespeople will lose their jobs). But life will go on for the wealthy. Not so for the less wealthy who, during a recession, may become unemployed, lose their housing, spend less and cancel plans for children’s college."

"According to the IRS, the bottom 50 percent of Americans earned less than $32,879 and paid only 2.9% percent of the nation’s income taxes, down from 3 percent a year earlier. So to reduce the so-called “deficit,” shall we increase taxes on these folks?"

"Where the lowest paid really get hit is with FICA. In 2010, income taxes totaled $935 billion, and FICA totaled $875 billion – pretty close. But while all income is subject to income tax, only salaries below $100K are subject to FICA – an enormous saving for the wealthy. And, not only does FICA steal 6.2% from every salaried worker, but it steals another 6.2% from his/her boss. Think of it as 12.4% that could have gone to the salaried employee, but instead goes to the government, where it is destroyed. FICA, not income tax, is the big tax burden on working people."

"In short, all taxes and tax increases hurt everyone in the economy — they are recessionary — but they hurt the poor more than the wealthy, so by comparison, the wealthy become wealthier. Tax increases make the wealth gap grow."

"Now consider a federal spending reduction. Medicare and Social Security are the biggest targets, and who relies most on these federal programs – the 1% of Americans defined as “rich, who earned an adjusted gross income of $410,096 or more and accounted for 22.8% of all wages, while paying 40.4% of total reported income taxes? Or are the 99% defined as “not rich” more likely to need Social Security and Medicare?"

"Right. If Medicare and Social Security are cut, the rich will hardly notice. Warren Buffet probably doesn’t even know whether he receives Medicare and Social Security benefits. Financially, it is meaningless to him. Cutting social programs hurts the poor more than the rich, increasing the gap between rich and poor."

"Or, we could cut military spending. This would cut profits and jobs from all those industries that sell to the U.S. military, and it would cut the number of salaried service people. Cutting military programs hurts the poor more than the rich, increasing the gap between rich and poor."

"No matter where you look in the federal budget, spending cuts would hurt the bottom 99% far more than the top 1%."

"In summary, federal tax increases and federal spending cuts (i.e. deficit reduction) cause recessions, and all three hurt the middle class and poor far more than they hurt the rich. Deficit reduction will increase the gap between the rich and the poor."

"And the wealthy have brainwashed the non-wealthy into thinking this is a good thing."

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell
How to cure recessions, inflations, stagflations and depressions while cutting taxes. The solutions for the federal debt, federal deficit, Medicare reform and solutions, Social Security reform and solutions, education, the infrastructure, balanced bu

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many Young Braves Go Like Wind Upon Wild Ponies: Like Chasing After Much Laundry and Buckskins, as though both were not at home, where they belong!)

 

[LibocalypseNow]

This Nation isn't "Recovering" from anything. Things are getting much worse. The Chickens haven't even come home to roost yet. A $14.5 Trillion Debt isn't just going to magically disappear. The terrible problems facing this Nation will have to be addressed at some point. And now Inflation is here. Check out the food prices in your local grocery stores. They're skyrocketing. That along with skyrocketing Gas Prices is gong to lead to another big economic collapse. High Food & Gas Prices affect all Americans. Unfortunately more misery is on the way for the American People. There is no "Recovery."

 

[mascale]

"The Nation isn't 'Recovering' From Anything. Things Are Getting Much Worse!" That is GOP Mantra, especially even at CNBC!

What is "worse" to the Party of Abraham Lincoln is the turnaround from Losing more than 700,000 jobs per month to creating more than 200,000 jobs per month! Mostly, the turnaround is called, "A Recovery!"

At Tea Party Berserker, GOP, it is regarded a national tragedy. Everyone really in the GOP, especially if they are staffers: Is Running Away from that GOP Mantar, which goes as follows:

"Lose 700,000 jobs today! Lose 700,000 jobs tomara! Lose 700,000 jobs per month forever!"

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Party of Abraham Lincoln, already famous for taking lives away from America, now take away famous Schedule M, and Intends to Take Away the Labor Market Turnaround to boot! Famous start of end of Regressive Part of FICA tax, now how Democrats put money into Constituent, pocketbooks and wallets!)

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Brace yourselves for the coming Inflation. This will lead to the dreaded 'Double-Dip Recession.' Food & Gas Prices are Skyrocketing. Fueling your vehicles and feeding your families are the essentials for all Americans. These Skyrocketing Prices are going to hit average American Families very hard. There will be more suffering. There is no "Recovery." That's just wishful thinking political spin.

 

[mascale]

Watching the Stock Markets of the last six weeks, then much of planet is aware that the increase of value of the dollar is playing havoc with higher prices.

Like all Tea Berserker GOP, Libocalypse poster is basically, enormously, out of touch with real life events.

Gasoline prices have recently come down, and the Tea Berserker, GOP, Party of Abraham Lincoln wants to take that away!

They are good at doing that, including at their start!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!'
(Many staff flee Newt Gingrich campaign! Take Cruise To Greece, and Go On Shopping Sprees at Tiffany's, instead! New Mantra GOP: "Spite You Can Believe In!)

 

[Uncensored2008]

Watching the Stock Markets of the last six weeks, then much of planet is aware that the increase of value of the dollar is playing havoc with higher prices.

Oh, you think the dollar has increased in value, do you Cheech?

Just how many tabs have you dropped today?