Governor To Cut Collective Baragaining.

[Mr.Fitnah]

Critical mass is reached when you have more takers than givers. The private sector is tired of giving to the public employee unions. It's just that simple.

Fine. When your teachers and cops and firefighters are working for peanuts, enjoy the quality of education and law enforcement and public safety you get.

I havent been to impressed with what the schools have been producing for a long time, docile consumers.Thanks
We have plenty.

 

[Political Junky]

Wisconsin has no budget crisis.
Why aren't republicons against subsidies to Exxon? Why are they against working people?

 

[del]

is justin bieber aware of this?

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

As long as Ed Schultz of MSNBC is having a cow over this....I am all for what they are doing.Unions in this country are out of control.

You're a real deep thinker. Great analysis.

Too bad the Bagger Gov is, as I post, seeing what a REAL people's movement looks like......as opposed to the astro-turf scam he pulled to get elected. 'Bout time to round up and hang anyone wearing a tircorn or playing a fife.

Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis., on Wednesday to protest a move to strip government workers of union rights in the first state to grant them more than a half-century ago.

Craig Schreiner/Wisconsin State Journal/AP

 

[shintao]

So you favor cutting peoples wages and benefits. Just a couple of questions, do you work, and do you call yourself a capitalist?

 

[shintao]

Trying that here in Ohio too! About dam time!

Might as well ask you as well.

So you favor cutting peoples wages and benefits. Just a couple of questions, do you work, and do you call yourself a capitalist?

 

[shintao]

Good for him.
There is no reason that public sector workers should have collective bargaining rights or unions to begin with.

So you favor cutting peoples wages and benefits. Just a couple of questions, do you work, and do you call yourself a capitalist?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives, with their phoney touting of 'family values', want to do everything in their power to make raising a family as difficult as possible,

starting with making it virtually impossible for a family to afford to have a stay at home mom,

which anyone with a brain knows is as important as ANYTHING for the wellbeing of a family.

so once again....ALL Conservatives feel this way?....if you want to throw a tent up over everyone go talk to Dean....he is the best at doing that.....

You want to be a pro-labor conservative, fine. Go argue with the overwhelming majority of conservatives who are anti-labor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Today in a America, unions have a secure place in our industrial life. Only a handful of reactionaries harbor the ugly thought of breaking unions and depriving working men and women of the right to join the union of their choice. I have no use for those-regardless of their political party-who hold some vain and foolish dream of spinning the clock back to the days when organized labor was huddled, almost as a helpless mass.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Are you kidding? They'd throw Eisenhower under the bus today...after denigrating his war record.

Eisenhower is a socialist by the standards of today's Right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is just another front in the internationalist money interests' war on American labor.

WE (as in the American working class) is too prosperous, by global standards. WE are an affront to the international capitalists' interests, because we still cling to a bit more prosperity than most of the rest of the world's working classes.

Bringing down the industrial labor unions, and destroying that 'overpaid' segment of the American working class has been relatively easy, since the jobs can be exported to the worlds of 30 cents an hour, etc.

The service sector, which includes much of the public sector, is a bit more challenging for the internationalists, since those jobs generally can't be exported. But those jobs, and the unions that represent those workers, are under attack too now.

 

[Political Junky]

The Bircher's accused Eisenhower of being a Communist in his day. Now we have the tea party.

 

[JFK_USA]

Good for him.
There is no reason that public sector workers should have collective bargaining rights or unions to begin with.

Rabbi, these public sector folks are workers, and we all know that any place where one has a supervisor, bullying and intimidation can take place.

There needs to be, to coin a phrase, checks and balances....contracts. This implies bargaining.
Coolidge and Reagan pretty much obviated strikes...

there must be some kind of middle ground.
In NY we have a Taylor Law which prevents strikes, and the next problem is how to limit the kind of contributions to public officials that put us into these straits.

Remember this:

SEIU President Andy Stern: “We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama- $60.7 million, to be exact- and we’re proud of it.”

Its simply amazing.

Unions are what gave you the rights to file a complaint against your employer.

Unions are what gave you the right to have a livable wage, instead of the "free market" give you only a nickel a day. Because their is no such thing as a free market because they don't want to pay anybody but take all their money.

Seriously decertifying unions give workers absolutely no rights, minimum wage eliminated, our toddlers working in sweat shops once again and no clean working environments.

I know you Republicans want to destroy America and turn it into a third world country, but lets not make it so obvious.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Wisconsin has no budget crisis.
Why aren't republicons against subsidies to Exxon? Why are they against working people?

Im against corporate welfare, I dont have anymore control over then you do.

 

[Avatar4321]

Wisconsin has no budget crisis.
Why aren't republicons against subsidies to Exxon? Why are they against working people?

Im against corporate welfare, I dont have anymore control over then you do.

Right. like he cares that you are against corporate welfare. It doesn't fit his worldview.

I dont understand why it's such an extreme position to live within one's means.

 

[jeffrockit]

Fine. When your teachers and cops and firefighters are working for peanuts, enjoy the quality of education and law enforcement and public safety you get.

The old actual service worker body shield bromide.

What about the army of bureaucrats that hide behind the people who actually perform a public service? They out number the productive ones.

Now you're trying to tell me that conservatives are not out to make teachers work for less pay, fewer benefits, and less job security??

Liar.

Tell me, once you have broken the teachers' unions, and teaching is a lower paying job, with fewer benefits, and less job security,

what incentives do you plan to use to get the best and brightest in America to become teachers?? Given that you believe the teaching profession is inadequate already. Given that you believe quality education is vital to America's future.

Who among the brightest young people will want even more to become a teacher, once you conservatives have run that profession, as a career choice, into the ground?

Feel free to ignore this question, that will be proof enough you don't have a clue.

No we should keep the teachers unions so that the worst can not be fired. Teachers unions do more to protect bad teachers that help good ones.

 

[shintao]

Oh, Oh, Shit done hit the Wisconsin fan!!! LOL!

MADISON, Wis. — Thousands of teachers, prison guards and students descended on the Wisconsin Capitol on Wednesday to try to preserve the union rights of public employees in the state that was the first to grant collective bargaining to government workers more than a half-century ago.

The Statehouse filled with as many as 10,000 demonstrators, and many Madison teachers joined the protest by calling in sick in such numbers that the district had to cancel classes.

As protesters chanted outside his office door on the second consecutive day of demonstrations, Walker insisted he has the votes to pass the measure, which he says is needed to help balance a projected $3.6 billion budget shortfall and avoid widespread layoffs.

In addition to eliminating collective bargaining rights, the legislation would also make public workers pay half the costs of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of their health care coverage — increases that Walker calls "modest" compared to those in the private sector.

'Kill this bill!'

More than 13,000 protesters gathered at the Capitol on Tuesday for a 17-hour public hearing on the measure. Thousands more came Wednesday. Some stood outside the governor's door, chanting "Recall Walker now!"

More than 1,000 protesters, many of whom spent the night in sleeping bags on the floor of the Rotunda, shouted "Kill this bill!" on Wednesday

"I'm fighting for my home and my career," said Virginia Welle, a 30-year-old teacher at Chippewa Falls High School. She said she and her husband, who is also a teacher, each stand to lose $5,000 a year in higher pension and health care contributions.

Welle said she could never get that money back since the unions would be unable to bargain over benefits under Walker's plan.

There were some indications Wednesday that support for the plan may be waning among Republicans who control the Legislature.


Thousands protest Wis. anti-union bill - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com

Looks like Republican employment is on the chopping block if they screw with the Unions. Just guessing, if that bill passes, the Union members will walk and shut the state down, schools and all. TSK!!

I wonder if that will drive up the price of cheddar cheese, or will National Union members join in and boycott the state? My My! What does Rush think about that? LMAO!!

 

[Avatar4321]

I suggest they get back to work. Because when this passes, the the teachers who aren't working are going to be fired.

Which I think is why they are protesting it to begin with.

 

[Skull Pilot]

All a right to work policy does is to give people the choice as to whether or not to join a union. Nothing more.

 

[shintao]

I suggest they get back to work. Because when this passes, the the teachers who aren't working are going to be fired.

Which I think is why they are protesting it to begin with.

I don't envision the scenario playing out like you do. I see Nationally the Unions seeing this as the test bed. If it goes down, the rest of Unions will tumble. So I see a National protest to wake Republicans up to the reality of Union power. They may shut down America. It will only take a week to bring republicans to their knees.

Lets say you fired teachers. That still shuts the schools down, and makes Repugs look like a villain. And it would shut down government as well, from DMV to prisons to the capitol building. How is that going to look for the governor?

Nah, I don't see your picture among the cards. Protesting is a way of saying, you are being warned, pay attention, wake up people, shit is going to happen.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I suggest they get back to work. Because when this passes, the the teachers who aren't working are going to be fired.

Which I think is why they are protesting it to begin with.

The union will still exist as will the union contract with the state. So the lazy nonperforming shitty teachers will still have their jobs.

All a right to work act does is give a choice to people as to whether or not they join a union.

Of course the unions don't like it because they'll have less people from which to collect dues.