Government-Christian Groups Lock Horns over Anti-Conversion Bill

[ajwps]

AJ:

I'll respond to the last part of your post, first. It makes me mad. I'm no Bible scholar, but I think I can say without fear of contradiction that that minister was full of shit.

Musicman do you think that the minister was stating something foreign to the Gospels? Do you think that there are exceptions to the following Gospel verses and concepts whereby no one is saved except through Jesus and his shed blood but all others must burn forever in Dantes Inferno?

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27). If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33).

Jesus said that God "has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him" (John 5:22-23). Jesus claimed to be the exclusive means of truth and salvation. People who reject him are also rejecting God.

"I am the light of the world," he said (John 8:12). "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well" (John 14:6-7). People who claim that there are other ways to salvation are wrong, Jesus said.

Peter was equally blunt when he told the Jewish leaders, "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Paul also made it clear when he said that people who did not know Christ were "dead in your transgressions and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). They had no hope, and despite their religious beliefs, they did not have God (verse 12). There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus was the ransom that everyone needed (1 Timothy 4:10). If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21).

No I think the innocent victims burn in hell while the murderers who accept Christ are forgiven and live with Jesus.

Now, I'll answer your first question with a question of my own: Are you insecure about your credibility? I only ask because what you say is so off the wall, I can't imagine where it's coming from. You and I have had some spirited conversations in the past, and, I dare say, even took an occasional swipe at one another. You didn't see me pissing and moaning about it, or playing to the balcony. Why do we have to walk on eggs all of a sudden? Buck up, big guy. I can take it if you can.

That is one nice thing about the Internet, honest discourse sometimes arouses animosity but no one can harm anyone on the other side of the web. It seems that we both can give and take barbs without becoming irate or have our own beliefs threatened. I also can say that you too are off the wall, insecure about your own beliefs while attempting to stay civil. Religion and beliefs are always touchy subjects. I can buck up if you can.

Now, I'll do my best to respond to the rest, but, quite honestly, AJ, you're raving at this point. I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt in school. They could have been a lot more sensitive about your religion. But, with all that, it still ain't a federal matter. Nobody was forcing you to pray then, and nobody's forcing anybody to pray now. The only religion being forced on anybody is secular humanism. I'm sorry the movie, "The Passion" burned your ass so badly. I'm sorry you loathe Christianity so vehemently. I'm sorry you see coercion where none exists, and fail to see it where it exists so abundantly. There just doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot I can do about it.

About Catholicism, you seem to have missed my point entirely. I honestly don't know what else to say.

My feelings were not hurt in school but some of my classmates attempted to 'beat me up' because they knew I was of the Jewish faith. I know what it feels like to be a target of hatred.

Actually the Mel Gibson movie didn't "burn my ass" as it had no more effect on me than ET the extraterestrial. I have grown up in this country where I have found myself the target of discrimination, some isolation from 'clicks' and outright attempts to save me from something that has no meaning to me. Unlike many here, You are mistaken, I do not loathe any other religion or faith as I have no need to find myself exclusive or right in my own mind. You only assume that I hate Chrisitianity because you have been challenged in your beliefs. I have not tried to convert you or make you see the light of your own religion. It appears that you assume that to be the case.

From an outside perspective, Roman Catholocism is nothing more or less than the precursor of the Protestant faiths. It seems from your perspective, Catholocism is not a Christian religion because they encompased the second commandment into the first commandment of the TEN.

If you can get that fear and hatred out of your heart, we could have more discussions about the differences in our beliefs without taking the same as 'taking out the gauntlet.'

 

[Shazbot]

Do you think that there are exceptions to the following Gospel verses and concepts whereby no one is saved except through Jesus and his shed blood but all others must burn forever in Dantes Inferno?

If you don’t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27). If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33).

Jesus said that God "has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him" (John 5:22-23). Jesus claimed to be the exclusive means of truth and salvation. People who reject him are also rejecting God.

"I am the light of the world," he said (John 8:12). "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well" (John 14:6-7). People who claim that there are other ways to salvation are wrong, Jesus said.

Peter was equally blunt when he told the Jewish leaders, "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Paul also made it clear when he said that people who did not know Christ were "dead in your transgressions and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). They had no hope, and despite their religious beliefs, they did not have God (verse 12). There is only one Mediator, he said—only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus was the ransom that everyone needed (1 Timothy 4:10). If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21).

No I think the innocent victims burn in hell while the murderers who accept Christ are forgiven and live with Jesus.

No, I don't find exceptions to the rule that Jesus is the only way to salvation. However, God is a fair and just God. There are countless millions who have lived their lives on this earth without so much as hearing about any such Jesus, much less learning His gospel. The less understood concept is that the Day of Judgement does not occur right after death, but rather, after the resurrection. Every person, whether in this life, or after death, will have the opportunity to either accept Christ or reject Him, before being judged accordingly. Thus, there are no innocent victims who go to hell simply because they are murdered before they can accept the Gospel of Christ. Likewise, salvation includes much more than mere acceptance. Good works and true repentance must also accompany. Thus the murderer cannot simply "accept Christ" on a whim in order to be forgiven and live with Jesus. The murderer's path to salvation will be a very hard one.

What is your take on what happens to those who die without a knowledge of God?

-Douglas

 

[ajwps]

No, I don't find exceptions to the rule that Jesus is the only way to salvation. However, God is a fair and just God. There are countless millions who have lived their lives on this earth without so much as hearing about any such Jesus, much less learning His gospel. The less understood concept is that the Day of Judgement does not occur right after death, but rather, after the resurrection. Every person, whether in this life, or after death, will have the opportunity to either accept Christ or reject Him, before being judged accordingly. Thus, there are no innocent victims who go to hell simply because they are murdered before they can accept the Gospel of Christ. Likewise, salvation includes much more than mere acceptance. Good works and true repentance must also accompany. Thus the murderer cannot simply "accept Christ" on a whim in order to be forgiven and live with Jesus. The murderer's path to salvation will be a very hard one.

What is your take on what happens to those who die without a knowledge of God?

You have said a mouthful. Let's go over your points separately.

1) What happens to the countless millions upon millions who were born before Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem or those who never had the opportunity of hearing about him while alive on earth?

Apparently Christianity believes that these folks live in a kind of limbo, somewhere between heaven and hell.

2) What about the millions of Jews murdered in the holocaust or the millions of non-Christians who were murdered in countries and places like the mountains of Loas or the Himalaya mountains.

Obviously, they had their chance to believe on Jesus Christ of Nazareth and therefore are burning in fires and brimstone of hell.

3) Maybe those people who never accepted Jesus Christ as their savior during their life after the resurrection will have a chance to accept Jesus Christ in that limbo I was talking about. So if that be the case, why be a Christian at all since you will get a chance to believe on him after you are long dead and hanging around in limbo?

4) Then if mass murderers accept Jesus before they die, they may or may not get salvation. St. Paul said that we are not saved because we do good works. We are saved because of Christ's death for us which is received through faith.

The Scriptural Proof:


Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:20-28; Galatians 2:16, 21; Matthew 5:48; Galatians 3:10; Galatians 5:1-5; James 2:10; Romans 10:1-13; Titus 3:4-7; John 3:16, 36; John 6:40; John 1:29; Acts 16:30-31.

So works (murder) are not what saves men but simply the belief in Christ's death for forgiveness from ALL Sin.

For me the answer is very simple. No one is saved by the sacrifice of another person or a god's sacrificial death. For me, everyone is responsible for their own deeds and works on earth. Everyone knows from the TEN commandments the difference between good and evil things. Everything in life is a choice and whatever happens to men after death is not our concern or business for we are nothing more than consciousness who has the free will to make our choices in this short life on this little planet at the edge of the milky way.

 

[dilloduck]

You have said a mouthful. Let's go over your points separately.

1) What happens to the countless millions upon millions who were born before Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem or those who never had the opportunity of hearing about him while alive on earth?

Apparently Christianity believes that these folks live in a kind of limbo, somewhere between heaven and hell.

2) What about the millions of Jews murdered in the holocaust or the millions of non-Christians who were murdered in countries and places like the mountains of Loas or the Himalaya mountains.

Obviously, they had their chance to believe on Jesus Christ of Nazareth and therefore are burning in fires and brimstone of hell.

3) Maybe those people who never accepted Jesus Christ as their savior during their life after the resurrection will have a chance to accept Jesus Christ in that limbo I was talking about. So if that be the case, why be a Christian at all since you will get a chance to believe on him after you are long dead and hanging around in limbo?

4) Then if mass murderers accept Jesus before they die, they may or may not get salvation. St. Paul said that we are not saved because we do good works. We are saved because of Christ's death for us which is received through faith.

The Scriptural Proof:


Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:20-28; Galatians 2:16, 21; Matthew 5:48; Galatians 3:10; Galatians 5:1-5; James 2:10; Romans 10:1-13; Titus 3:4-7; John 3:16, 36; John 6:40; John 1:29; Acts 16:30-31.

So works (murder) are not what saves men but simply the belief in Christ's death for forgiveness from ALL Sin.

For me the answer is very simple. No one is saved by the sacrifice of another person or a god's sacrificial death. For me, everyone is responsible for their own deeds and works on earth. Everyone knows from the TEN commandments the difference between good and evil things. Everything in life is a choice and whatever happens to men after death is not our concern or business for we are nothing more than consciousness who has the free will to make our choices in this short life on this little planet at the edge of the milky way.

Thanks for the plug for Agnosticism !

 

[ajwps]

Thanks for the plug for Agnosticism !

Agnosticism -

1. agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God; "agnosticism holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"
2. agnosticism - the disbelief in any claims of ultimate knowledge

Synonyms: scepticism, skepticism

Thomas Henry Huxley (1869)

PROOF PENDING......

 

[dilloduck]

Agnosticism -

1. agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God; "agnosticism holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"
2. agnosticism - the disbelief in any claims of ultimate knowledge

Synonyms: scepticism, skepticism

Thomas Henry Huxley (1869)

PROOF PENDING......

Like I said---"thanks"

 

[rtwngAvngr]

And the courts are screwed in the head. As are you. The only solution to "problem" you cite is an active indoctrination into a homogenous state culture, one that erases historical and ethnic differences, and every other prosocial value in the process.

Your above statement appears to be the most rational of all your ramblings about being the poor mistreated Christian not allowed to have your own prayers as the single official allowed public display of your valid faith.

I never advocated such a thing. I wouldn't care if a mullah opened a prayer for congress or a rabbi or a priest. Quit manufacturing strawman arguments.

What historical, prosocial values or ethnic differences do you think are being erased by the Constitution of these United States?

Ummm. None. Are you smoking weed at the clinic again?

Do you not feel that your faith is not real unless it is used above all others in public schools? Are you that insecure in your salvation faith?

No. and no. I'm not even that religious. I just know religious discrimination when I see it, and right now the multicultural movement embraces all religions, except christianity for some reason. And I completely disagree with everyone on the board about homosexuality. I think they're born that way due to hormonal level in their blood during specific time periods during gestation having an effect on their brain development. You should know what you're talking about before you make comments.

I guess when you know in your heart you are right, then anyone who disagrees with you is a whacked out, hate monger, idiotic moron. Your words are certainly a Christian view of respect for others in this homogenous state culture called America for all?

Once again. You don't know me. And your assessment is wrong.

I guess you feel justified in pinning what happened to jews onto white christiandom for eternity. You're paranoid and illogical, but I know the bind your in,"how can we get america to support us and still denigrate white chritiandom?" Yes. a conundrum indeed. and you will only succeed halfway. The socialism and pc bullshit is over. It's morning in america! Let the sun shine!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Aj, YOU still haven't my question about how removal of penile skin created a covenant with god. I mean, where were the paper, pens and lawyers? :read: That whole foreskin thing just seems like a lot of silly symbolic language. Empty cultlike ceremonial signifiers.

I'm not trying to convert you, I'm just questioning your faith.

Until you can answer my ludicrous and ridiculous question, I don't see how you can let go of your hate enough for this discussion to continue.

 

[ajwps]

Aj, YOU still haven't my question about how removal of penile skin created a covenant with god. I mean, where were the paper, pens and lawyers? :read: That whole foreskin thing just seems like a lot of silly symbolic language. Empty cultlike ceremonial signifiers.

I'm not trying to convert you, I'm just questioning your faith.

Until you can answer my ludicrous and ridiculous question, I don't see how you can let go of your hate enough for this discussion to continue.

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Genesis 17 Leviticus 12:3

The fact that the Circumcision or Brit Milah is performed on the eighth day after a boy is born hints to this idea of eternal Jewish continuity.

God's guarantee that Abraham's children would survive forever as a nation defies the laws of nature. History has proven time and again that even the most powerful nations on earth are bound eventually to vanish into extinction -- e.g., the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans. And yet the Jews, a numerically insignificant people, are still here, alive and well.

The Brit Milah, performed on the eighth day, reminds us that Jewish survival is not a natural phenomenon, but a supernatural one. Jewish survival defies the laws of nature. This explains why the mark of circumcision is made on the reproductive organ -- it symbolizes the idea that the Jewish People's seed will never be destroyed.

In addition, Circumcision or Brit Milah is done specifically on the site that is identified with our greatest physical desires, thus empowering us to rise above the demands of our bodies.

Circumcision is not done for medical purposes to all Jewish boy babies on the eight day following birth.






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[Shazbot]

You have said a mouthful. Let's go over your points separately.

1) What happens to the countless millions upon millions who were born before Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem or those who never had the opportunity of hearing about him while alive on earth?

Apparently Christianity believes that these folks live in a kind of limbo, somewhere between heaven and hell.

2) What about the millions of Jews murdered in the holocaust or the millions of non-Christians who were murdered in countries and places like the mountains of Loas or the Himalaya mountains.

Obviously, they had their chance to believe on Jesus Christ of Nazareth and therefore are burning in fires and brimstone of hell.

3) Maybe those people who never accepted Jesus Christ as their savior during their life after the resurrection will have a chance to accept Jesus Christ in that limbo I was talking about. So if that be the case, why be a Christian at all since you will get a chance to believe on him after you are long dead and hanging around in limbo?

4) Then if mass murderers accept Jesus before they die, they may or may not get salvation. St. Paul said that we are not saved because we do good works. We are saved because of Christ's death for us which is received through faith.

The Scriptural Proof:


Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:20-28; Galatians 2:16, 21; Matthew 5:48; Galatians 3:10; Galatians 5:1-5; James 2:10; Romans 10:1-13; Titus 3:4-7; John 3:16, 36; John 6:40; John 1:29; Acts 16:30-31.

So works (murder) are not what saves men but simply the belief in Christ's death for forgiveness from ALL Sin.

For me the answer is very simple. No one is saved by the sacrifice of another person or a god's sacrificial death. For me, everyone is responsible for their own deeds and works on earth. Everyone knows from the TEN commandments the difference between good and evil things. Everything in life is a choice and whatever happens to men after death is not our concern or business for we are nothing more than consciousness who has the free will to make our choices in this short life on this little planet at the edge of the milky way.

And you say that I said a mouthful!

I have started a new thread to continue from this, for two reasons. First, I hate threads with this many pages. Second, we've kind of gone off the subject of the anti-conversion bill.

Here's the new thread: http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=143723#post143723

-Douglas

 

[rtwngAvngr]

So it's the mark of the jewish super weeny? That sounds more like wishful thinking than sound theology. Everyone who's still around is still around. You know what I'm saying. All our forefathers have superweenies.

 

[ajwps]

So it's the mark of the jewish super weeny? That sounds more like wishful thinking than sound theology. Everyone who's still around is still around. You know what I'm saying. All our forefathers have superweenies.

You know I haven't made fun of your circumcised Jesus rising to his paradise after his crucifixion without his foreskin left somewhere on earth. You are commenting on a biblical edict between G-d and His covenant with man which you in your wisdom deem wishful thinking.

I have no idea of what you might be referencing in everybody still being around?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You know I haven't made fun of your circumcised Jesus rising to his paradise after his crucifixion without his foreskin left somewhere on earth.

Well I think you owe him at least that much. Thanks for showing restraint. I guess you'll just have to use that material at your comedy act in the Catskills.

You are commenting on a biblical edict between G-d and His covenant with man which you in your wisdom deem wishful thinking.

I know I am. What the hell are you doing?

I have no idea of what you might be referencing in everybody still being around?

You say circumcision represents the jewish proclivity for survival. I'm saying everyone who has survived must have a proclivity for it, or they wouldn't be here. See?

 

[ajwps]

Well I think you owe him at least that much. Thanks for showing restraint. I guess you'll just have to use that material at your comedy act in the Catskills.

You were the one making fun of the G-d of Israel Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and long weenies. Actually the question of whether Jesus ascended in the flesh or just in spirit after his crucifixion is hotly debated by Christians around the world. If as most people believe he ascended in the flesh, then only a part of him left the earth. Minus his foreskin for he too was circumcised at eight days of age. You are mocking Jesus Christ.

I know I am. What the hell are you doing?

At least I am not indulging in wishful thinking. You know only as much your neurons allow you to know and that appears to be in question.

You say circumcision represents the jewish proclivity for survival. I'm saying everyone who has survived must have a proclivity for it, or they wouldn't be here. See?

Yes but most of those civilizations who attacked Israel and the Jewish people are no longer living. They didn't survive but this little group of 12 million or so continue to survive by some miracle or maybe because G-d keeps His convenant with those people who bring some light into a very dark side of humanity.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You were the one making fun of the G-d of Israel Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and long weenies.

Kind of like making fun of the trinity? Religion is inherently not necessarily logical, even yours.

Long weenies? That's not what I heard.

We're talking about mutalited weenies here.

Actually the question of whether Jesus ascended in the flesh or just in spirit after his crucifixion is hotly debated by Christians around the world. If as most people believe he ascended in the flesh, then only a part of him left the earth. Minus his foreskin for he too was circumcised at eight days of age. You are mocking Jesus Christ.

The savior can't help it if he was born into a silly jew family.

At least I am not indulging in wishful thinking. You know only as much your neurons allow you to know and that appears to be in question.

Ad hominem attack. Lame. At least be funny, Tevya.

Yes but most of those civilizations who attacked Israel and the Jewish people are no longer living.

They didn't survive but this little group of 12 million or so continue to survive by some miracle or maybe because G-d keeps His convenant with those people who bring some light into a very dark side of humanity.

Maybe you repelled their nation state, maybe you defeated an army. But the people are still alive. Maybe you succeeded in crushing their ethnic identity, as you will not succeed with white christians, by the way, but the people are still around, maybe speaking NEW languages, maybe forming NEW brotherhoods and alliances, instead of clinging to the mythological history of their own racial superiority.

 

[ajwps]

Kind of like making fun of the trinity? Religion is inherently not necessarily logical, even yours.

If you admit that religion (including Christianity) is not logical, why do you insist on salvation certainty based on an inherent illogical dogma?

Long weenies? That's not what I heard. We're talking about mutalited weenies here.

If surgical circumcision is mutilation of the human body then what is coronary bypass surgery? Are both procedures done for either religious or health reasons?

The savior can't help it if he was born into a silly jew family.

The savior god couldn't help where or to whose family he was born???? What kind of savior do you have then?

Ad hominem attack. Lame. At least be funny, Tevya.

Sorry for the ad hominem response. But your own certainty in Jesus was very funny.

Maybe you repelled their nation state, maybe you defeated an army. But the people are still alive. Maybe you succeeded in crushing their ethnic identity, as you will not succeed with white christians, by the way, but the people are still around, maybe speaking NEW languages, maybe forming NEW brotherhoods and alliances, instead of clinging to the mythological history of their own racial superiority.

Israel did not repell, defeat or crush the ethnic identity of these now absent civlizations that once tried to destroy the Jewish people. Actually all those ancient civilizations and their people are long dead as is all flesh. These empires and nations who came against Israel and the Jewish people were once great in strength and numbers and Israel only very small in numbers.

The amazing fact is that Israel and its small numbers remain intact as a people and a country while some of the ancestors of some of those giant civilizations are no longer great or forces on the earth today. Only new ones appear to destroy Israel but their fate is also in doubt. Quite a feat for those same Jewish people who are the diety killers portrayed in the Gospels and condemned for the actions of their chief priests and elders. Something is really amiss here.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

If you admit that religion (including Christianity) is not logical, why do you insist on salvation certainty based on an inherent illogical dogma?

Where did I do that?

If surgical circumcision is mutilation of the human body then what is coronary bypass surgery? Are both procedures done for either religious or health reasons?

Mutilation is maybe too charged a word. I just meant to outline that circumcision has to do with cut weenies, not large ones, as you very funnily implied.

The savior god couldn't help where or to whose family he was born???? What kind of savior do you have then?

Well you know. Everything gets ridiculous when you're around. How jesus's circumcision effects the resurrection? How many cpa's can skip work for a briss on the head of a pin? ya know? Shouldn't we just stop all this mockery of religion? Are jews threatened by christians or something? Are you feeling threatened?

Sorry for the ad hominem response. But your own certainty in Jesus was very funny.

Please highlight the evidence of my certainty in jesus.

Israel did not repell, defeat or crush the ethnic identity of these now absent civlizations that once tried to destroy the Jewish people. Actually all those ancient civilizations and their people are long dead as is all flesh. These empires and nations who came against Israel and the Jewish people were once great in strength and numbers and Israel only very small in numbers.

The amazing fact is that Israel and its small numbers remain intact as a people and a country while some of the ancestors of some of those giant civilizations are no longer great or forces on the earth today. Only new ones appear to destroy Israel but their fate is also in doubt. Quite a feat for those same Jewish people who are the diety killers portrayed in the Gospels and condemned for the actions of their chief priests and elders. Something is really amiss here.

Please don't misunderstand. In no way am I implying that jews aren't the greatest. My apologies. (I also extend my humblest apologies to the Simon Wiesenthal Internet Monitoring center. Sorry Guys! Now get back to work. I think William Joyce posted something.)

 

[ajwps]

[i=rtwngAvngr]Where did I do that? On all religion being illogical[/i]

You got it here:

rtwngAvngr
.... Religion is inherently not necessarily logical, even yours.

Mutilation is maybe too charged a word. I just meant to outline that circumcision has to do with cut weenies, not large ones, as you very funnily implied.

I didn't say or imply weenies either large or small. Actually mutillation of the flesh is forbidden in the Old Testament. Mutillation implies scarring, tatoo marking or making holes in one's flesh. Circumcision was used by the Nazis to determine the religion of those they wished to murder. They knew this to be a sign of the Covenant of Abraham with G-d.

Well you know. Everything gets ridiculous when you're around. How jesus's circumcision effects the resurrection? How many cpa's can skip work for a briss on the head of a pin? ya know? Shouldn't we just stop all this mockery of religion? Are jews threatened by christians or something? Are you feeling threatened?

Why do you think that I am threatened by Christianity? Mockery isn't the subject of this topic as many heated debates in Christianity revolve around whether Jesus ascended in the flesh or as a spirit. Do you have an opinion as to which form Jesus ascended following his crucifixion?

Please highlight the evidence of my certainty in jesus.

I prefer not to go searching through all of your previous posts to find that one in which you clearly stated (paraphrased) 'I have no doubt about Jesus Christ as the son of G-d.'

Please don't misunderstand. In no way am I implying that jews aren't the greatest. My apologies. (I also extend my humblest apologies to the Simon Wiesenthal Internet Monitoring center. Sorry Guys! Now get back to work. I think William Joyce posted something.

Apologies accepted.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I didn't say or imply weenies either large or small.

You did say something about long weenies in this context. Something funny, like jews had long weenies, or something to that effect. I'll go get it if you deny this again.

Actually mutillation of the flesh is forbidden in the Old Testament. Mutillation implies scarring, tatoo marking or making holes in one's flesh. Circumcision was used by the Nazis to determine the religion of those they wished to murder. They knew this to be a sign of the Covenant of Abraham with G-d.

I agreed mutilation was too harsh a word. Why prattle on about it? The issue is: Is it logical? Nazis used it to identify jews. Ok. thanks for the info, but that's really not the issue. But changing the issue is what you do best, isn't it?

Why do you think that I am threatened by Christianity?

You seem to be very preoccupied with attempting to show inconsistencies in standard christian thought, and you do so in a mocking, derisive, and sometimes disrespectful tone.

Mockery isn't the subject of this topic as many heated debates in Christianity revolve around whether Jesus ascended in the flesh or as a spirit. Do you have an opinion as to which form Jesus ascended following his crucifixion?

No. Not really. I really don't care either way.

I prefer not to go searching through all of your previous posts to find that one in which you clearly stated (paraphrased) 'I have no doubt about Jesus Christ as the son of G-d.'

I have never written a post which would lead to a paraphrase such as that.
Sorry you're so wrong.

Apologies accepted.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Aj. You have the saw, you've severed the branch from the tree, your problem is You're standing on the branch holding the "yikes!" sign and I'm standing safely on the portion of the branch still connected to the tree.



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