GOP jobs agenda

[Siete]

Come on guys...this shouldn't be hard for you! You've got SIX YEARS PLUS to choose policy from! Surely Barry must have had at least ONE policy in all that time that was good for the economy and created jobs?

and you're too dense to understand any of them, not to mention too partisan.


I'm through feeding you thread count.

 

[Oldstyle]

Come on guys...this shouldn't be hard for you! You've got SIX YEARS PLUS to choose policy from! Surely Barry must have had at least ONE policy in all that time that was good for the economy and created jobs?

and you're too dense to understand any of them, not to mention too partisan.


I'm through feeding you thread count.

It's hard to "understand" something when it's never uttered, Siete!

You're "through" because you can't come up with any policies that Barack Obama has enacted that would stimulate the economy or create jobs. How telling is that? Six plus years of leading the country and you can't tell me where it is that Barry is taking us with the economy.

 

[Oldstyle]

The reason that even Faun voted for Reagan back in the day is that he had a PLAN to fix things and you could see that plan was working! Barack Obama has never had a plan for the economy...he's had excuses for the economy.

 

[Siete]

Come on guys...this shouldn't be hard for you! You've got SIX YEARS PLUS to choose policy from! Surely Barry must have had at least ONE policy in all that time that was good for the economy and created jobs?

ACA created hundreds of thousands of jobs managing and educating people about ACA. This is good for the economy because every dollar spent on income quadruples over time when those people buy products from walmart. Pelosi said so, so it must be true.

maybe it was true ..

Alan Krueger top economist to Obama says most new jobs since health care law passed are full time PolitiFact


Krueger said that "since the Affordable Care Act passed, 90 percent of job growth has been in full-time positions." The statistics show that 87 percent of the increase in jobs between March 2010 and July 2013 consisted of full-time jobs. A shorter time frame would show the opposite pattern, but on the numbers, Krueger is right. We rate the claim True.

 

[Oldstyle]

Come on guys...this shouldn't be hard for you! You've got SIX YEARS PLUS to choose policy from! Surely Barry must have had at least ONE policy in all that time that was good for the economy and created jobs?

ACA created hundreds of thousands of jobs managing and educating people about ACA. This is good for the economy because every dollar spent on income quadruples over time when those people buy products from walmart. Pelosi said so, so it must be true.

maybe it was true ..

Alan Krueger top economist to Obama says most new jobs since health care law passed are full time PolitiFact


Krueger said that "since the Affordable Care Act passed, 90 percent of job growth has been in full-time positions." The statistics show that 87 percent of the increase in jobs between March 2010 and July 2013 consisted of full-time jobs. A shorter time frame would show the opposite pattern, but on the numbers, Krueger is right. We rate the claim True.

Here's the problem with your claim, Siete...the Affordable Care Act's provision to require business with a certain number of employees provide healthcare to their employees or pay fines kept getting pushed back so the American people wouldn't get a feel for what it was REALLY going to mean for them. The closer we got to the implementation of that provision the more part time jobs were being created and the fewer full time jobs. Your own PolitiFact article admitted as much:

"Still, we will note that if you use a shorter time horizon, such as calendar year 2013, a large percentage of jobs created were part-time positions.

In other words, by choosing the time frame carefully, you can find support for either side of this argument."

 

[Oldstyle]

So what you actually have taking place is that the closer we got to implementation of those provisions in the ACA that would induce employers to cut back on full time employees...we did in fact see a large increase in the number of part time jobs.

 

[Oldstyle]

You've not done any better with THIS than you have with finding an Obama policy that grew the economy or created jobs, Siete!

 

[rdean]

Do you even see what you're doing? You're doing exactly what I'm doing, only you're claiming you're right but I'm wrong.

You're referencing some of Reagan's policies just as I'm referencing some of Obama's policies; and you're using the healthy economy which followed as evidence his policies worked just as I'm using the current economy as evidence Obama's policies have worked.

It's quite amusing how you rely on the same type of evidence as myself but you think it only works for you.

Actually, Faun...I've shown you the exact policies that Reagan implemented that turned the American economy around. What policies have you show me that Barack Obama implemented? I hope you don't think that pathetic list of legislation you came up with...a list that had little to no effect on jobs or the economy...is the same thing as my explaining exactly what Reagan's plan was to attack Stagflation?

And yet, you did as I did ... credited policies with helping the economy with no more supoorting evidence than I posted. That you think you proved your case any more than I did only serves to demonstrate hiw crazy rightwingers are.

I would suggest that you read the article that Dad provided on Reagan's handling of the economy. It illustrates rather well both what Reagan faced when he took office...the steps he took...and the results. Hard to accuse me of providing a biased source when it was provided by the biggest progressive fluffer now posting here!

I read the article. It no more demonstrates causation than you have.

Have you figured out yet you're posting no more evidence than I have? Have you learned yet that you have proven my point beautifully?

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Blah blah blah. And no evidence. Sorry Mr. Dunceworth, you need to try harder.

 

[rdean]

Actually, Faun...I've shown you the exact policies that Reagan implemented that turned the American economy around. What policies have you show me that Barack Obama implemented? I hope you don't think that pathetic list of legislation you came up with...a list that had little to no effect on jobs or the economy...is the same thing as my explaining exactly what Reagan's plan was to attack Stagflation?

And yet, you did as I did ... credited policies with helping the economy with no more supoorting evidence than I posted. That you think you proved your case any more than I did only serves to demonstrate hiw crazy rightwingers are.

I would suggest that you read the article that Dad provided on Reagan's handling of the economy. It illustrates rather well both what Reagan faced when he took office...the steps he took...and the results. Hard to accuse me of providing a biased source when it was provided by the biggest progressive fluffer now posting here!

I read the article. It no more demonstrates causation than you have.

Have you figured out yet you're posting no more evidence than I have? Have you learned yet that you have proven my point beautifully?

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. For exercise, show me in which of my posts did I declare Reagan's policies did not help the economy ......

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Now explain how you generate an "obvious answer" from a question derived from a false premise? That premise being that I "pretended what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work."

I voted twice for Reagan and think he was an excellent president. Just letting you know that in case you need that information when tailoring your next response.

And Obama's policies have failed??

5% GDP, 5.6% unemployment, and 1.3% inflation

And for comparison purposes ... Obama started with 7.8% unemployment and it's currently down to 5.6%. Reagan started with 7.5% unemployment and at this point in his presidency, it was down to only 6.6%.

Actually, if you look at unemployment on the last day of Bush's last budget, unemployment was 10.8%

 

[rdean]

why? you wouldn't believe it anyway ... so just keep waiting


good thing Reagan tightened the money supply. He only raised the National debt 189%.

LMAO

The amount that Reagan raised the National Debt pales in comparison to the amount that Barack Obama has raised the National Debt. With Reagan we at least got something out of it...a booming economy and a much stronger military. With Obama we've gotten massive amounts of debt, the worst recovery from a recession since FDR and a much weaker military.

see?here you go, talking about something you know nothing about. Lucky for you, you spelled Obama correctly.

Feel free to jump in the game here, Siete!

Name the policies that Barack Obama enacted to grow the economy.

already made mention of one fact which you ignored.... so jump off a tall building

So basically you don't have any policies Barack Obama enacted that would grow the economy?

Funny how so many of you progressives all seem to have the same problem, Siete!

You said: So basically you don't have any policies Barack Obama enacted that would grow the economy?

Obama won a number of cases at the world trade court. Try to figure out how that helped the economy. I've posted them many times but Republicans are pretty stupid and work hard to keep it that way.
Obama works to educate Americans while Republicans want to keep them dumb as possible. Remember, the Gov of Texas goes to New York and California looking for skilled liberals to go to Texas because, clearly the people there are too stupid to learn. They recently cut education by 5 billion.

And the stimulus is what countries have been using for a hundred years or more to jump start their economy. Look up "German, Chinese, Russian, Brazilian, Japanese Stimulus". It's the same everywhere because it works. But Republicans don't believe it. Course they don't believe in science either. So damn dumb.

And the worst of all? The ruined economy Obama was handed by greedy, thieving and lying Republicans.

 

[Faun]

The reason that Faun voted for Reagan for a second term is the same reason that MOST people voted for him! You could see that his policies were working!

Just like now ... Obama's policies seem to be working.

 

[rdean]

The reason that even Faun voted for Reagan back in the day is that he had a PLAN to fix things and you could see that plan was working! Barack Obama has never had a plan for the economy...he's had excuses for the economy.

Reagan had a plan. He raised taxes.

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose.

6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.”

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran.

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act.

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

Oh that Reagan. What a president!

10 Things Conservatives Don t Want You To Know About Ronald Reagan ThinkProgress

 

[Faun]

And yet, you did as I did ... credited policies with helping the economy with no more supoorting evidence than I posted. That you think you proved your case any more than I did only serves to demonstrate hiw crazy rightwingers are.

I would suggest that you read the article that Dad provided on Reagan's handling of the economy. It illustrates rather well both what Reagan faced when he took office...the steps he took...and the results. Hard to accuse me of providing a biased source when it was provided by the biggest progressive fluffer now posting here!

I read the article. It no more demonstrates causation than you have.

Have you figured out yet you're posting no more evidence than I have? Have you learned yet that you have proven my point beautifully?

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. For exercise, show me in which of my posts did I declare Reagan's policies did not help the economy ......

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Now explain how you generate an "obvious answer" from a question derived from a false premise? That premise being that I "pretended what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work."

I voted twice for Reagan and think he was an excellent president. Just letting you know that in case you need that information when tailoring your next response.

And Obama's policies have failed??

5% GDP, 5.6% unemployment, and 1.3% inflation

And for comparison purposes ... Obama started with 7.8% unemployment and it's currently down to 5.6%. Reagan started with 7.5% unemployment and at this point in his presidency, it was down to only 6.6%.

Actually, if you look at unemployment on the last day of Bush's last budget, unemployment was 10.8%

WTF? Unemployment peaked at 10%, so I have no idea where you get 10.8%. And Bush never signed a budget for FY2009, he signed a continuing resolution in 2008 that carried us through the first half of FY2009.

 

[rdean]

I would suggest that you read the article that Dad provided on Reagan's handling of the economy. It illustrates rather well both what Reagan faced when he took office...the steps he took...and the results. Hard to accuse me of providing a biased source when it was provided by the biggest progressive fluffer now posting here!

I read the article. It no more demonstrates causation than you have.

Have you figured out yet you're posting no more evidence than I have? Have you learned yet that you have proven my point beautifully?

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. For exercise, show me in which of my posts did I declare Reagan's policies did not help the economy ......

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Now explain how you generate an "obvious answer" from a question derived from a false premise? That premise being that I "pretended what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work."

I voted twice for Reagan and think he was an excellent president. Just letting you know that in case you need that information when tailoring your next response.

And Obama's policies have failed??

5% GDP, 5.6% unemployment, and 1.3% inflation

And for comparison purposes ... Obama started with 7.8% unemployment and it's currently down to 5.6%. Reagan started with 7.5% unemployment and at this point in his presidency, it was down to only 6.6%.

Actually, if you look at unemployment on the last day of Bush's last budget, unemployment was 10.8%

WTF? Unemployment peaked at 10%, so I have no idea where you get 10.8%. And Bush never signed a budget for FY2009, he signed a continuing resolution in 2008 that carried us through the first half of FY2009.

Let's start with a few facts. This from right wing Cato Institute:

Obama s Budget Spending Too High But Bush Was Worse Cato Liberty

Here is another comparison:

• Spending growth in Bush’s first seven years: 8%, 7%, 6%, 8%, 7%, 3%, 9%.
• Spending growth in Obama’s six years: 13%, 6%, 2%, -3%, 5%, 2%.

Sorry about the 10.8%. I typed this fast and missed the zero and put an 8. But at lease we can agree on the 10%. You do admit it peaked at 10.2%? Good. I know that USMB right wingers are going to scream liar, but so what? When you get to 10.2%, how much worse is 10.8%? If I were going to exaggerate, I would have said 20 or 30. Not a mere 0.6.

Check out "Factcheck.org".

Obama 8217 s Spending 8216 Inferno 8217 or Not

The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office.

That includes spending for the bank bailout legislation approved by President Bush. Annual increases in amounts actually spent since fiscal 2009 have been relatively modest. In fact, spending for the first seven months of the current fiscal year is running slightly below the same period last year, and below projections.

-------------------------------------------------------------
When a new president is sworn in, he carries the budget of the last president until October. The previous budget of the last president doesn't end the very day he leaves office. Everyone knows that. Tell me you know that.

In fact, if you look at the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment peaked at 10.2% in Oct of 2009.

National Employment Monthly Update

National Unemployment Rates, 2008 - 2014
Jan. Feb. Mar. April May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec.
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3 6.1 6.2 6.1 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.6
2013 7.9 7.7 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 7.0 6.7
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.9 7.8 7.8
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1 9.1 9.0 8.6 8.5
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.9 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.8 9.4
2009 7.6 8.1 8.5 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.8 10.2 10.0 10.0
2008 4.9 4.8 5.1 5.0 5.5 5.6 5.8 6.2 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.2

Budget Process

And we all know, the Federal budgets run from Oct 1 to Oct 1. The Federal budget was in place 4 months BEFORE Obama was sworn into office. That's a fact. That's simply how federal budgets are spread out.

 

[Faun]

I read the article. It no more demonstrates causation than you have.

Have you figured out yet you're posting no more evidence than I have? Have you learned yet that you have proven my point beautifully?

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. For exercise, show me in which of my posts did I declare Reagan's policies did not help the economy ......

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Now explain how you generate an "obvious answer" from a question derived from a false premise? That premise being that I "pretended what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work."

I voted twice for Reagan and think he was an excellent president. Just letting you know that in case you need that information when tailoring your next response.

And Obama's policies have failed??

5% GDP, 5.6% unemployment, and 1.3% inflation

And for comparison purposes ... Obama started with 7.8% unemployment and it's currently down to 5.6%. Reagan started with 7.5% unemployment and at this point in his presidency, it was down to only 6.6%.

Actually, if you look at unemployment on the last day of Bush's last budget, unemployment was 10.8%

WTF? Unemployment peaked at 10%, so I have no idea where you get 10.8%. And Bush never signed a budget for FY2009, he signed a continuing resolution in 2008 that carried us through the first half of FY2009.

Let's start with a few facts. This from right wing Cato Institute:

Obama s Budget Spending Too High But Bush Was Worse Cato Liberty

Here is another comparison:

• Spending growth in Bush’s first seven years: 8%, 7%, 6%, 8%, 7%, 3%, 9%.
• Spending growth in Obama’s six years: 13%, 6%, 2%, -3%, 5%, 2%.

Sorry about the 10.8%. I typed this fast and missed the zero and put an 8. But at lease we can agree on the 10%. You do admit it peaked at 10.2%? Good. I know that USMB right wingers are going to scream liar, but so what? When you get to 10.2%, how much worse is 10.8%? If I were going to exaggerate, I would have said 20 or 30. Not a mere 0.6.

Check out "Factcheck.org".

Obama 8217 s Spending 8216 Inferno 8217 or Not

The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office.

That includes spending for the bank bailout legislation approved by President Bush. Annual increases in amounts actually spent since fiscal 2009 have been relatively modest. In fact, spending for the first seven months of the current fiscal year is running slightly below the same period last year, and below projections.

-------------------------------------------------------------
When a new president is sworn in, he carries the budget of the last president until October. The previous budget of the last president doesn't end the very day he leaves office. Everyone knows that. Tell me you know that.

In fact, if you look at the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment peaked at 10.2% in Oct of 2009.

National Employment Monthly Update

National Unemployment Rates, 2008 - 2014
Jan. Feb. Mar. April May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec.
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3 6.1 6.2 6.1 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.6
2013 7.9 7.7 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 7.0 6.7
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.9 7.8 7.8
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1 9.1 9.0 8.6 8.5
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.9 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.8 9.4
2009 7.6 8.1 8.5 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.8 10.2 10.0 10.0
2008 4.9 4.8 5.1 5.0 5.5 5.6 5.8 6.2 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.2

Budget Process

And we all know, the Federal budgets run from Oct 1 to Oct 1. The Federal budget was in place 4 months BEFORE Obama was sworn into office. That's a fact. That's simply how federal budgets are spread out.

I have no idea where those unemployment numbers come from. They're not from the BLS, though that's where the site says they're from. The unemployment rate peaked at 10%.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Maybe they're from the BLS before the BLS revised their numbers ... but they're certainly not all current numbers.

As far as the budget ... again, Bush did not sign one for FY2009. In September, 2008, he signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. Obama signed one for the second half, plus Obama signed an Omnibus appropriations bill. You can't hold Bush responsible for all of FY2009.

 

[Oldstyle]

The amount that Reagan raised the National Debt pales in comparison to the amount that Barack Obama has raised the National Debt. With Reagan we at least got something out of it...a booming economy and a much stronger military. With Obama we've gotten massive amounts of debt, the worst recovery from a recession since FDR and a much weaker military.

see?here you go, talking about something you know nothing about. Lucky for you, you spelled Obama correctly.

Feel free to jump in the game here, Siete!

Name the policies that Barack Obama enacted to grow the economy.

already made mention of one fact which you ignored.... so jump off a tall building

So basically you don't have any policies Barack Obama enacted that would grow the economy?

Funny how so many of you progressives all seem to have the same problem, Siete!

You said: So basically you don't have any policies Barack Obama enacted that would grow the economy?

Obama won a number of cases at the world trade court. Try to figure out how that helped the economy. I've posted them many times but Republicans are pretty stupid and work hard to keep it that way.
Obama works to educate Americans while Republicans want to keep them dumb as possible. Remember, the Gov of Texas goes to New York and California looking for skilled liberals to go to Texas because, clearly the people there are too stupid to learn. They recently cut education by 5 billion.

And the stimulus is what countries have been using for a hundred years or more to jump start their economy. Look up "German, Chinese, Russian, Brazilian, Japanese Stimulus". It's the same everywhere because it works. But Republicans don't believe it. Course they don't believe in science either. So damn dumb.

And the worst of all? The ruined economy Obama was handed by greedy, thieving and lying Republicans.

Stimulus only works if the stimulus itself is well thought out and implemented intelligently.

The Obama Stimulus was neither well thought out nor implemented intelligently.

It was SO badly thought out and implemented so badly that they created so few jobs that they didn't dare tell the American people how many they created for the nearly 2 trillion that they had spent...so Obama's minions came up with the whole "jobs created or saved" to hide how abysmal their job creation record really was!

 

[Oldstyle]

I read the article. It no more demonstrates causation than you have.

Have you figured out yet you're posting no more evidence than I have? Have you learned yet that you have proven my point beautifully?

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. For exercise, show me in which of my posts did I declare Reagan's policies did not help the economy ......

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Now explain how you generate an "obvious answer" from a question derived from a false premise? That premise being that I "pretended what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work."

I voted twice for Reagan and think he was an excellent president. Just letting you know that in case you need that information when tailoring your next response.

And Obama's policies have failed??

5% GDP, 5.6% unemployment, and 1.3% inflation

And for comparison purposes ... Obama started with 7.8% unemployment and it's currently down to 5.6%. Reagan started with 7.5% unemployment and at this point in his presidency, it was down to only 6.6%.

Actually, if you look at unemployment on the last day of Bush's last budget, unemployment was 10.8%

WTF? Unemployment peaked at 10%, so I have no idea where you get 10.8%. And Bush never signed a budget for FY2009, he signed a continuing resolution in 2008 that carried us through the first half of FY2009.

Let's start with a few facts. This from right wing Cato Institute:

Obama s Budget Spending Too High But Bush Was Worse Cato Liberty

Here is another comparison:

• Spending growth in Bush’s first seven years: 8%, 7%, 6%, 8%, 7%, 3%, 9%.
• Spending growth in Obama’s six years: 13%, 6%, 2%, -3%, 5%, 2%.

Sorry about the 10.8%. I typed this fast and missed the zero and put an 8. But at lease we can agree on the 10%. You do admit it peaked at 10.2%? Good. I know that USMB right wingers are going to scream liar, but so what? When you get to 10.2%, how much worse is 10.8%? If I were going to exaggerate, I would have said 20 or 30. Not a mere 0.6.

Check out "Factcheck.org".

Obama 8217 s Spending 8216 Inferno 8217 or Not

The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office.

That includes spending for the bank bailout legislation approved by President Bush. Annual increases in amounts actually spent since fiscal 2009 have been relatively modest. In fact, spending for the first seven months of the current fiscal year is running slightly below the same period last year, and below projections.

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When a new president is sworn in, he carries the budget of the last president until October. The previous budget of the last president doesn't end the very day he leaves office. Everyone knows that. Tell me you know that.

In fact, if you look at the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment peaked at 10.2% in Oct of 2009.

National Employment Monthly Update

National Unemployment Rates, 2008 - 2014
Jan. Feb. Mar. April May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec.
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3 6.1 6.2 6.1 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.6
2013 7.9 7.7 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 7.0 6.7
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.9 7.8 7.8
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1 9.1 9.0 8.6 8.5
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.9 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.8 9.4
2009 7.6 8.1 8.5 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.8 10.2 10.0 10.0
2008 4.9 4.8 5.1 5.0 5.5 5.6 5.8 6.2 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.2

Budget Process

And we all know, the Federal budgets run from Oct 1 to Oct 1. The Federal budget was in place 4 months BEFORE Obama was sworn into office. That's a fact. That's simply how federal budgets are spread out.

Why do you progressives even bother coming here with the RIDICULOUS assertion that Obama somehow isn't a big spender because he increased spending by a smaller percentage? It's the most absurd claim ever and yet you keep on trying to make it!

George W. Bush's last budget was ENORMOUS only because it included both emergency stimulus spending and TARP spending at the height of the recession.

Barack Obama took that last huge budget amount AND ADDED TO IT!!! Then the next budget after that he added even more to it. That was after the recession had been officially declared over! So what was Barry spending all that money on?

 

[Oldstyle]

It's amazing the lengths that you Obama supporters will go to protect an "image" of who Barry is, Faun! You steadfastly pretend that what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work because if you did admit that he was successful then it begs the question...why hasn't Obama been successful?

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. For exercise, show me in which of my posts did I declare Reagan's policies did not help the economy ......

Quite obviously the answer to that question is that Obama's first priority WASN'T the economy and jobs, as Ronald Reagan's was. Barry went after ObamaCare first and put the economy and jobs on a back burner while he did so. It wasn't even his second priority! He was talking about passing Cap & Trade legislation as his next big goal before the 2010 mid-terms made that an impossibility. By the end of Obama's second year in office his chief economic advisers Larry Summers and Christina Romer were both facing a stark reality...their almost two trillion dollar Keynesian stimulus had been turned into a a liberal "pork fest" by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and so few jobs had been created that they had to fudge the numbers with the whole "jobs created or saved" farce! Both of them saw the writing on the wall and resigned. They didn't do so because they had accomplished the job at hand...they did so because they'd failed epically at creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Now explain how you generate an "obvious answer" from a question derived from a false premise? That premise being that I "pretended what Reagan did to stimulate the economy didn't work."

I voted twice for Reagan and think he was an excellent president. Just letting you know that in case you need that information when tailoring your next response.

And Obama's policies have failed??

5% GDP, 5.6% unemployment, and 1.3% inflation

And for comparison purposes ... Obama started with 7.8% unemployment and it's currently down to 5.6%. Reagan started with 7.5% unemployment and at this point in his presidency, it was down to only 6.6%.

Actually, if you look at unemployment on the last day of Bush's last budget, unemployment was 10.8%

WTF? Unemployment peaked at 10%, so I have no idea where you get 10.8%. And Bush never signed a budget for FY2009, he signed a continuing resolution in 2008 that carried us through the first half of FY2009.

Let's start with a few facts. This from right wing Cato Institute:

Obama s Budget Spending Too High But Bush Was Worse Cato Liberty

Here is another comparison:

• Spending growth in Bush’s first seven years: 8%, 7%, 6%, 8%, 7%, 3%, 9%.
• Spending growth in Obama’s six years: 13%, 6%, 2%, -3%, 5%, 2%.

Sorry about the 10.8%. I typed this fast and missed the zero and put an 8. But at lease we can agree on the 10%. You do admit it peaked at 10.2%? Good. I know that USMB right wingers are going to scream liar, but so what? When you get to 10.2%, how much worse is 10.8%? If I were going to exaggerate, I would have said 20 or 30. Not a mere 0.6.

Check out "Factcheck.org".

Obama 8217 s Spending 8216 Inferno 8217 or Not

The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office.

That includes spending for the bank bailout legislation approved by President Bush. Annual increases in amounts actually spent since fiscal 2009 have been relatively modest. In fact, spending for the first seven months of the current fiscal year is running slightly below the same period last year, and below projections.

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When a new president is sworn in, he carries the budget of the last president until October. The previous budget of the last president doesn't end the very day he leaves office. Everyone knows that. Tell me you know that.

In fact, if you look at the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment peaked at 10.2% in Oct of 2009.

National Employment Monthly Update

National Unemployment Rates, 2008 - 2014
Jan. Feb. Mar. April May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec.
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3 6.1 6.2 6.1 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.6
2013 7.9 7.7 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 7.0 6.7
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.9 7.8 7.8
2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1 9.1 9.0 8.6 8.5
2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.9 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.8 9.4
2009 7.6 8.1 8.5 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.8 10.2 10.0 10.0
2008 4.9 4.8 5.1 5.0 5.5 5.6 5.8 6.2 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.2

Budget Process

And we all know, the Federal budgets run from Oct 1 to Oct 1. The Federal budget was in place 4 months BEFORE Obama was sworn into office. That's a fact. That's simply how federal budgets are spread out.

I have no idea where those unemployment numbers come from. They're not from the BLS, though that's where the site says they're from. The unemployment rate peaked at 10%.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Maybe they're from the BLS before the BLS revised their numbers ... but they're certainly not all current numbers.

As far as the budget ... again, Bush did not sign one for FY2009. In September, 2008, he signed a continuing resolution for the first half of FY2009. Obama signed one for the second half, plus Obama signed an Omnibus appropriations bill. You can't hold Bush responsible for all of FY2009.

In case you hadn't noticed...R-Derp and Dad hold Bush responsible for the entirety of Barack Obama's Presidency!

 

[percysunshine]

With Republicans taking over Congress today, prepare to be dazzled with their jobs agenda. It is what we have been waiting six years for

In the new Congress, Republicans will have the majority in both the Senate and the House for the first time in eight years. As they get ready to take power, their rhetorical focus is clear: jobs, the economy, and more jobs.
So far, there are two main proposals on deck for the GOP. First, the Hire More Heroes Act, which would make it easier for small businesses that hire veterans to deny health care to their employees. Second, they want to immediately build the Keystone XL pipeline, a project that would transport oil from Canada to the Gulf Coast.
On their own, these are both extremely small-bore policies. But as a jobs agenda, this doesn't even rise to the level of pitiful. It's the latest evidence that Republicans continue to struggle with basic macroeconomics — and it does not bode well for the nation should they win the White House in 2016.

Sorry Republicans The Keystone XL pipeline is not a jobs agenda - The Week

"With Republicans taking over Congress today, prepare to be dazzled with their jobs agenda. It is what we have been waiting six years for."

You have two more years of hell to live through. Let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet.

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[Faun]

see?here you go, talking about something you know nothing about. Lucky for you, you spelled Obama correctly.

Feel free to jump in the game here, Siete!

Name the policies that Barack Obama enacted to grow the economy.

already made mention of one fact which you ignored.... so jump off a tall building

So basically you don't have any policies Barack Obama enacted that would grow the economy?

Funny how so many of you progressives all seem to have the same problem, Siete!

You said: So basically you don't have any policies Barack Obama enacted that would grow the economy?

Obama won a number of cases at the world trade court. Try to figure out how that helped the economy. I've posted them many times but Republicans are pretty stupid and work hard to keep it that way.
Obama works to educate Americans while Republicans want to keep them dumb as possible. Remember, the Gov of Texas goes to New York and California looking for skilled liberals to go to Texas because, clearly the people there are too stupid to learn. They recently cut education by 5 billion.

And the stimulus is what countries have been using for a hundred years or more to jump start their economy. Look up "German, Chinese, Russian, Brazilian, Japanese Stimulus". It's the same everywhere because it works. But Republicans don't believe it. Course they don't believe in science either. So damn dumb.

And the worst of all? The ruined economy Obama was handed by greedy, thieving and lying Republicans.

Stimulus only works if the stimulus itself is well thought out and implemented intelligently.

The Obama Stimulus was neither well thought out nor implemented intelligently.

It was SO badly thought out and implemented so badly that they created so few jobs that they didn't dare tell the American people how many they created for the nearly 2 trillion that they had spent...so Obama's minions came up with the whole "jobs created or saved" to hide how abysmal their job creation record really was!

Your opinion is noted but a majority of economic professors polled said it lowered the unemployment rate; and a plurality of them said the benefits outweighed the costs.

The CBO said ...

ARRA succeeded in its primary goal of protecting the economy during the worst of the recession. The CBO report finds that ARRA's impact on jobs peaked in the third quarter of 2010, when up to 3.6 million people owed their jobs to the Recovery Act. Since then, the Act's job impact has gradually declined as the economy recovers and certain provisions expire. More than 90 percent of ARRA funds were spent by December, according to CBO.​

... which of course, exceeded the key goal of ARRA, which was to save or create 3 to 3.5 million jobs.