GOP Healthcare Blunder

[rightwinger]

The GOP's big health care 'blunder' - THE WEEK

"The GOP messed up big-time: This healthcare bill is a "staggering achievement" by the Democrats — but "it never would have happened if the Republican Party had played its cards right," says Jonathan Chait at The New Republic. From the start Dems were "desperate" for a bipartisan bill. "A few GOP defectors could have lured a chunk of Democrats to sign something far more limited than what President Obama is going to sign." "

 

[Oddball]

If the dems were so "desperate" for a bipartisan bill, why didn't they bribe Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe or some of other low hanging fruit on the GOP side?

Answer: They didn't give a flying fuck about the holy "bipartisanship".

 

[rightwinger]

The Republican Health Care Blunder | The New Republic

"At the outset of this debate, moderate Democrats were desperate for a bipartisan bill. They were willing to do almost anything to get it, including negotiate fruitlessly for months on end. We can't know for sure, but Democrats appeared willing to make enormous substantive concessions to win the assent of even a few Republicans. A few GOP defectors could have lured a chunk of Democrats to sign something far more limited than what President Obama is going to sign. And remember, it would have taken only one Democrat to agree to partial reform in order to kill comprehensive reform. I can easily imagine a scenario where Ben Nelson refused to vote for anything larger than, say, a $400 billion bill that Chuck Grassley and a couple other Republicans were offering.

But Republicans wouldn't make that deal. The GOP leadership put immense pressure on all its members to withhold consent from any health care bill. The strategy had some logic to it: If all 40 Republicans voted no, then Democrats would need 60 votes to succeed, a monumentally difficult task. And if they did succeed, the bill would be seen as partisan and therefore too liberal, too big government. The spasm of anti-government activism over the summer helped lock the GOP into this strategy -- no Republican could afford to risk the wrath of Tea Partiers convinced that any reform signed by Obama equaled socialism and death panels."

 

[xsited1]

The GOP's big health care 'blunder' - THE WEEK

"The GOP messed up big-time: This healthcare bill is a "staggering achievement" by the Democrats — but "it never would have happened if the Republican Party had played its cards right," says Jonathan Chait at The New Republic. From the start Dems were "desperate" for a bipartisan bill. "A few GOP defectors could have lured a chunk of Democrats to sign something far more limited than what President Obama is going to sign." "

Nice spin from THE WEEK. What a funny article to start the day. Thanks.

 

[Oddball]

Oooo...The Week and New Republic telling republicans where they went wrong.

Next thing you know, the Packers will be showing the Bears their pass coverage scheme, in order to keep the game interesting!

 

[Truthmatters]

There you are defending the idiots again

 

[Oddball]

Mocking Kool-Aid bangers on the left, like you, isn't a defacto defense of Kool-Aid bangers on the right, dingleberry.

 

[amrchaos]

If the dems were so "desperate" for a bipartisan bill, why didn't they bribe Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe or some of other low hanging fruit on the GOP side?

Answer: They didn't give a flying fuck about the holy "bipartisanship".

What makes you think they did not try?

Only the ones that the democrats are successful with "bribing"(more like horse trading in my book) are reported--not the ones that they fail to tempt.


The Dems only need 60, so they purchase the cheapest votes, not the more audacious ones!!

 

[rightwinger]

The Republicans eschewed a halfway compromise and put all their chips on an all or nothing campaign to defeat health care and Obama's presidency. It was an audacious gamble. They lost. In the end, they'll walk away with nothing. The Republicans may gain some more seats in 2010 by their total obstruction, but the substantive policy defeat they've been dealt will last for decades.

More GOP bite off your nose to spite your face. The tactics of the "Party of NO" are blowing up in their face. Once again, the GOP is on the wrong side of history

 

[Oddball]

If the dems were so "desperate" for a bipartisan bill, why didn't they bribe Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe or some of other low hanging fruit on the GOP side?

Answer: They didn't give a flying fuck about the holy "bipartisanship".

What makes you think they did not try?

Only the ones that the democrats are successful with "bribing"(more like horse trading in my book) are reported--not the ones that they fail to tempt.


The Dems only need 60, so they purchase the cheapest votes, not the more audacious ones!!

If they tried, we would have heard all about it.

A weak try is better than none, I guess,

 

[del]

If the dems were so "desperate" for a bipartisan bill, why didn't they bribe Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe or some of other low hanging fruit on the GOP side?

Answer: They didn't give a flying fuck about the holy "bipartisanship".

What makes you think they did not try?

Only the ones that the democrats are successful with "bribing"(more like horse trading in my book) are reported--not the ones that they fail to tempt.


The Dems only need 60, so they purchase the cheapest votes, not the more audacious ones!!

is english your second language?

 

[rightwinger]

Why did the GOP vote NO??

1. Private Option? Gone

2. Coverage of Abortion? Never was in there

3. Death Panels? Sarah Palin Hysteria

4. Coverage of Illegal American? Never was in there

5. Costs too much? CBO says it saves money

So GOP...why did you vote to deny Americans healthcare reform?

 

[Oddball]

Maybe because there's not even a bill yet?

Other than that a few were bribed outright, why did dopey democratics vote for something that doesn't even yet exist?

 

[Foxfyre]

In order to believe the spin presented in the article, one would have to believe that the President and/or the Democrats in Congress give a tinkers dam about anybody other than themselves, their own interests, their own power, and their own personal wealth. I have no such belief.

If they did give a damn about really improving things and/or making things better for others, they would have subjected themselves to the legislation they are attempting to push onto the rest of us. And they would have done it above board, honorably, and in the full light because they were proud of it. They wouldn't be dodging and weaving and spinning and delaying implementation until after the next elections.

They truly do believe we are all ignorant, gullible, manageable kool-ade drinkers or else we have too short memories to blame them when the worst of this becomes obvious to all. I think I resent that about this more than anything else.

 

[xsited1]

The Republicans eschewed a halfway compromise and put all their chips on an all or nothing campaign to defeat health care and Obama's presidency. It was an audacious gamble. They lost. In the end, they'll walk away with nothing. The Republicans may gain some more seats in 2010 by their total obstruction, but the substantive policy defeat they've been dealt will last for decades.

More GOP bite off your nose to spite your face. The tactics of the "Party of NO" are blowing up in their face. Once again, the GOP is on the wrong side of history

As everyone knows, I'm not a GOPer, but I've often wondered what is wrong with being labeled the "Party of NO." I want a politician to consistently vote 'No' to big government programs. It's the ones who vote 'Yes' that are the problem.

 

[amrchaos]

If the dems were so "desperate" for a bipartisan bill, why didn't they bribe Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe or some of other low hanging fruit on the GOP side?

Answer: They didn't give a flying fuck about the holy "bipartisanship".

What makes you think they did not try?

Only the ones that the democrats are successful with "bribing"(more like horse trading in my book) are reported--not the ones that they fail to tempt.


The Dems only need 60, so they purchase the cheapest votes, not the more audacious ones!!

is english your second language?

Come again?

 

[Oddball]

In order to believe the spin presented in the article, one would have to believe that the President and/or the Democrats in Congress give a tinkers dam about anybody other than themselves, their own interests, their own power, and their own personal wealth. I have no such belief.

If they did give a damn about really improving things and/or making things better for others, they would have subjected themselves to the legislation they are attempting to push onto the rest of us. And they would have done it above board, honorably, and in the full light because they were proud of it. They wouldn't be dodging and weaving and spinning and delaying implementation until after the next elections.

They truly do believe we are all ignorant, gullible, manageable kool-ade drinkers or else we have too short memories to blame them when the worst of this becomes obvious to all. I think I resent that about this more than anything else.

No, no, no and no.

All the democratics give a hoot in hell about is giving Boyking a "win", no matter how Pyrrhic.

 

[xsited1]

Why did the GOP vote NO??

1. Private Option? Gone

2. Coverage of Abortion? Never was in there

3. Death Panels? Sarah Palin Hysteria

4. Coverage of Illegal American? Never was in there

5. Costs too much? CBO says it saves money

So GOP...why did you vote to deny Americans healthcare reform?

A big government program that saves money? Just how much Kool Aid do you have to drink to believe that?

 

[nodoginnafight]

The Republicans may gain some more seats in 2010 by their total obstruction, but the substantive policy defeat they've been dealt will last for decades.

I know it is traditional for the minority party to pick up a lot of seats in the off-year elections, but it remains to be seen if the GOP can get their crap together enough to take advantage of their opportunity. In the first chance they had, they failed to hold onto a seat that they've held for 150 years.

Are they self-aware enough to realize that what they are doing isn't working? Or will they continue to be satisfied with just pretending that they are winning converts?

Stay tuned.

 

[amrchaos]

Maybe because there's not even a bill yet?

Other than that a few were bribed outright, why did dopey democratics vote for something that doesn't even yet exist?

Actually, parts of the Bill do exist.
And the politicians know what parts they want and what parts they do not want.

Also, the idea that the Senators and their staff/aides do not know what they are voting for is a sign of successful propaganda by the right. Because we do not know what is in the Bill does not confer that our representatives do not know what is in the Bill.

Think about it, how will Landrieu and Nelson to recieve their "bribes" if they do not know what they agreed to vote for?