GOP are not about "freedom": Move to Kill Net Neutrality Legislation

Just because cable ***** us we should be ok with an additional penis is your logic here?

Cable providers were only able to achieve penis status because of government intervention! The government established monopolistic fiefdoms. So that is a very good reason to not wanting the government mucking around with the internet.
 
Once again the GOP proves that when they preach about freedom and small business that it's all total horseshit. The GOP is about one thing....big business and freedom for big business to do what they want, when they want. The GOP doesn't care about freedom for the individual and they certainly don't care about small business. Their ridiculous stance on Net Neutrality proves that without a shadow of a doubt.

Republicans Will Try to Kill New Net-Neutrality Rules - NationalJournal.com

If you are against Net Neutrality, you either don't understand the issue or you're a corporate shill. There is no other explanation.

The GOP is all about the freedom of big business to rip off the consumers at every oppertunity.
 
Network Neutrality Fact Sheet - Common Cause

Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be able to access any web content they choose and use any applications they choose, without restrictions or limitations imposed by their Internet service provider. For example, if you are shopping for a new appliance online you should be able to shop on any and all websites, not just the ones with whom your provider has a preferred business relationship. Or if you want to use your high-speed Internet connection to make phone calls, your provider should not be able to impede your ability to do so.

Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

You cable provider has this privilege. They can choose to block ESPN and offer you only the Time Warner version.
 
We have alternatives. If your cable provider is ******* you over, you can switch to satellite TV or the internet. The market finds a way to kick the assholes who overreach in the nuts.
 
"Net neutrality" is a deceptive name so that it sounds so nice that you would have to be an asshole for being against it. But it is something which would prevent ISPs from being able to decide which internet content to give a higher priority in their business model to maximize their resource management.

A cable provider is able to decide which content to give a higher priority in their business model, but you would deny an ISP the same ability.

That's bogus.

I agree its a catchy name.

Just because cable ***** us we should be ok with an additional penis is your logic here?

I guess I was editing my post while you were responding to it.

I added that "net neutrality" would be like forcing construction companies to lay down a four lane highway to every business in the country, whether it was Disneyland or your Aunt Mabel's home jewelry making business out of a trailer park, in the name of "infrastructure neutrality". Running a four lane highway to Aunt Mabel's doublewide is simply inefficient and a revenue loser.

The auto traffic analogy is just as apt as the cable one. In the early days of automotive travel, we started with a handful of entrepreneurs who built roads for the few daring automotive afficianodos. But as cars became more popular, the roads become more congested, and priorities had to be set as to which roads would be given more traffic handling ability and which roads would be one lane blacktop or even dirt and gravel.

So it is with the internet. Traffic is high, bandwidth is limited. We have to allow the ISPs to determine the right sizes for the roads which carry the traffic. We can't give every content provider a four lane highway.

Except in your example the few wealthy people created roads then as it caught on someone else had to build the roads for everyone. Government.

What you are advocating here is to be "fair" to the companies while advocating screwing EVERYONE ELSE just because. The result will be another bullshit ass restricted system ran by companies that republicans will say we must keep away from even when it ***** us up the ass and the only solution is "hope that a free market will answer".

Hope is not a plan
 
Network Neutrality Fact Sheet - Common Cause

Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be able to access any web content they choose and use any applications they choose, without restrictions or limitations imposed by their Internet service provider. For example, if you are shopping for a new appliance online you should be able to shop on any and all websites, not just the ones with whom your provider has a preferred business relationship. Or if you want to use your high-speed Internet connection to make phone calls, your provider should not be able to impede your ability to do so.

Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

The only way this tactic would work for an ISP is if the government established a monopolistic fiefdom for ISPs so that you only had one ISP to choose from. And that can only happen with government involvement in the markets.

Therefore, the problem is not a lack of "net neutrality". The problem is the government mucking about with the internet and not allowing more than one ISP option for you.

The solution then becomes blindingly obvious once you see the truth of things.

If you had more than one ISP to choose from, then the ISP that decides to **** you over starts losing business to their competitors.
 
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"If conservatism is the ideology of freedom, how come they're the ones who are always trying to take that freedom away from us, especially women and minorities? Why did they fight against the effort to end slavery, or to give women and minorities the vote, or to protect them from discrimination? Why are they still supporting efforts to disenfranchise minorities?"

The Regressive Antidote - If Conservatism Is The Ideology of Freedom, I'm The Queen of England

It was Conservatives who got the 1st woman on the Supreme Court.
It was Conservatives who got the 15th Amendment.
 
I realize I'm getting screwed with data useage, and that will probably foreshadow internet expenses.

But, really, I could spend a lot less ... if I was willing to give up much communication with my college kid. And she likes to use her phone to access stuff. I have the freedom to contract. I'm not being forced to pay corp A a surcharge to buy from corp B.

If I wanted to spend less to access less, I have that freedom.

I don't see what right I have to more, and I object to any pol or corp wanting to give me less economic power.
 
"If conservatism is the ideology of freedom, how come they're the ones who are always trying to take that freedom away from us, especially women and minorities? Why did they fight against the effort to end slavery, or to give women and minorities the vote, or to protect them from discrimination? Why are they still supporting efforts to disenfranchise minorities?"

The Regressive Antidote - If Conservatism Is The Ideology of Freedom, I'm The Queen of England

It was Conservatives who got the 1st woman on the Supreme Court.
It was Conservatives who got the 15th Amendment.

Actually, it was classical liberal Republicans who got the 15th Amendment. In fact, they were called the Radical Republicans.

Conservatives opposed equal rights for blacks. Most notably in the 1950s and 1960s in the Deep South.
 
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Network Neutrality Fact Sheet - Common Cause

Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be able to access any web content they choose and use any applications they choose, without restrictions or limitations imposed by their Internet service provider. For example, if you are shopping for a new appliance online you should be able to shop on any and all websites, not just the ones with whom your provider has a preferred business relationship. Or if you want to use your high-speed Internet connection to make phone calls, your provider should not be able to impede your ability to do so.

Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

The only way this tactic would work for an ISP is if the government established a monopolistic fiefdom for ISPs so that you only had one ISP to choose from. And that can only happen with government involvement in the markets.

Therefore, the problem is not a lack of "net neutrality". The problem is the government mucking about with the internet and not allowing more than one ISP option for you.

The solution then becomes blindingly obvious once you see the truth of things.

If you had more than one ISP to choose from, then the ISP that decides to **** you over starts losing business to their competitors.
Don't like Verizon, get AT&T.

Net Neutrality is an immense scam, second only to global warming.
 
Network Neutrality Fact Sheet - Common Cause

Network neutrality is the principle that Internet users should be able to access any web content they choose and use any applications they choose, without restrictions or limitations imposed by their Internet service provider. For example, if you are shopping for a new appliance online you should be able to shop on any and all websites, not just the ones with whom your provider has a preferred business relationship. Or if you want to use your high-speed Internet connection to make phone calls, your provider should not be able to impede your ability to do so.

Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

You cable provider has this privilege. They can choose to block ESPN and offer you only the Time Warner version.

So why not do the same to the internet is your belief? Because....it happens.

Now change that one ESPN into 1000's of other pages. They can stop it if they want and if the consumer doesnt like it they can...oh I know...Never use the internet again.

This is like the shit that North Korea does only since its coming from a Corp you figure "hey, why not?"

I keep asking..."Why?"
 
Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

The only way this tactic would work for an ISP is if the government established a monopolistic fiefdom for ISPs so that you only had one ISP to choose from. And that can only happen with government involvement in the markets.

Therefore, the problem is not a lack of "net neutrality". The problem is the government mucking about with the internet and not allowing more than one ISP option for you.

The solution then becomes blindingly obvious once you see the truth of things.

If you had more than one ISP to choose from, then the ISP that decides to **** you over starts losing business to their competitors.
Don't like Verizon, get AT&T.

Exactly!
 
Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

You cable provider has this privilege. They can choose to block ESPN and offer you only the Time Warner version.

So why not do the same to the internet is your belief? Because....it happens.

Now change that one ESPN into 1000's of other pages. They can stop it if they want and if the consumer doesnt like it they can...oh I know...Never use the internet again.

This is like the shit that North Korea does only since its coming from a Corp you figure "hey, why not?"

I keep asking..."Why?
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Because it is common knowledge that businesses reap such huge profits by denying products and services to their customers. :rolleyes:
 
Take it a step further. What if you want to watch ESPN online but Time Warner has their own version of ESPN they are promoting? They can slow down or block ESPN completely with a link that says
"Like ESPN? Well try this instead!"

But you dont like this Time Warner show...it sucks. What do you do? You cant do shit because you thought Net Neutrality had something to do with Obama Sucking and it didnt. Jokes on....Everyone

You cable provider has this privilege. They can choose to block ESPN and offer you only the Time Warner version.

So why not do the same to the internet is your belief? Because....it happens.

Now change that one ESPN into 1000's of other pages. They can stop it if they want and if the consumer doesnt like it they can...oh I know...Never use the internet again.

Again, this is because your federal government only allows you access to a single ISP. The government has established a monopolistic fiefdom which is allowed to run roughshod over your wallet.

THAT is the real problem.

And now you are saying to Uncle Sam, "Thank you, sir! May I have another?"

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The ISPs sell their customers a package with a certain amount of bandwidth, and then they say they don't actually want their customers to be able to use that bandwidth.

Huh?
I have never paid an internet bill based on the amount of bandwidth used. It's a monthly fee based on down and up( load) speed. Amount of content is not in the equation.
I contend it should be. Gamers and hyperdownloaders should pay for their use of bandwidth.
So let's say a company offers internet at 20 Gigs per month for $50. And the user goes over by an additional 20 gigs. That overage should be paid for. This would put a lid on bandwidth hogs.
 
You shockingly misinterpreted my last sentence...the compression "technologies" ARE being used by the ISPs (FIOS uses DivX) who didn't have to pay a penny for it.

The big question is; AND? Still doesn't excuse high volume users from paying their fair share or risk being slowed down. Do you really have a problem with that?
What is a "fair share"? I already pay $50/mo just for internet service. Phone is another $50. That's for unlimited immediate access to information. The companies providing these services already profit hundreds of millions of dollars. Comcast just profited $1.9b in the last three months of 2013.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/business/media/comcast-profits-up-sharply-along-with-tv-subscribers.html

The customers already pay a fair share if the companies profit nearly $2 billion every three months.

No. They do not. Users of higher amounts of bandwidth pay the same as customers who do not use such items as downloading movies or tv programs or play graphics heavy games on line. They should pay more because they use more.
 
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All of these silly speculative "what ifs" are happening right now with Glenn Beck's channel, The Blaze.

It is available on Dish but not DirecTV.

Want The Blaze, get Dish.

I wonder if any of the progressives here would be this lit up, if the government were trying to force DirecTV to carry The Blaze?
 
You cable provider has this privilege. They can choose to block ESPN and offer you only the Time Warner version.

So why not do the same to the internet is your belief? Because....it happens.

Now change that one ESPN into 1000's of other pages. They can stop it if they want and if the consumer doesnt like it they can...oh I know...Never use the internet again.

Again, this is because your federal government only allows you access to a single ISP. The government has established a monopolistic fiefdom which is allowed to run roughshod over your wallet.

THAT is the real problem.

And now you are saying to Uncle Sam, "Thank you, sir! May I have another?"

Dude live in the now...the reality is there isnt competition out there. Competition is the answer but the problem is there isnt any.

Do you understand how foolish it is to just say go get something that isnt there? Go to a hungry person and say "get food".
 
The ISPs sell their customers a package with a certain amount of bandwidth, and then they say they don't actually want their customers to be able to use that bandwidth.

Huh?
I have never paid an internet bill based on the amount of bandwidth used. It's a monthly fee based on down and up( load) speed. Amount of content is not in the equation.
I contend it should be. Gamers and hyperdownloaders should pay for their use of bandwidth.
So let's say a company offers internet at 20 Gigs per month for $50. And the user goes over by an additional 20 gigs. That overage should be paid for. This would put a lid on bandwidth hogs.

That is how many ISPs already do it, but 20 gigs is way too little.

I get 100 Gigs a month, then $50 for each additional 50 gigs.

This has nothing to do with "net neutrality", though.
 
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