GOP and trump considering Medicare cuts in his second term

[Mr Natural]

Lol
Those billionaires owe the federal government nothing, Quit coveting others peoples shit you spineless motherfucker

Suck their dick much do you?


I'll bet you do.

 

[Rustic]

Trump Has Told Friends That Gutting Medicare Could Be a Fun “Second-Term Project”

That would teach the old toothless farts that believed every word the Liar says. Maybe instead of a nursing home...they can live under a bridge....

He is right. Actually no matter who wins, that person has to address entitlements in order to cure our deficit and begin paying down our debt.

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
Fuck that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

 

[Rustic]

Lol
Those billionaires owe the federal government nothing, Quit coveting others peoples shit you spineless motherfucker

Suck their dick much do you?


I'll bet you do.

Lol
Does envy rule your life?
Stay out of peoples personal lives you spineless motherfucker

 

[Lesh]

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can.

Right. It's just a matter of will huh?

Dope

Yeah. I think so. Stay healthy and stay on your private insurance longer. Seems simple. To make the country better we all need to make some sacrifices.

Sacrifices? Like not buying meds or going to the doctor when we need to?

Like dying?

Gee...thanks

 

[Rustic]

Trump Has Told Friends That Gutting Medicare Could Be a Fun “Second-Term Project”

That would teach the old toothless farts that believed every word the Liar says. Maybe instead of a nursing home...they can live under a bridge....

Well Obama did want to do the same thing and the republican congress would have no part of it. Oh how things flip flop trump now going what the progressive route was 4 years ago. He has had more progressive views than his base realizes.

He has stepped on decades of Republican policies...and the mindless idiots that voted for him don't realize it.

Deficits Don't Matter when there is a GOP running the deficit up...l

As soon as the next Dem is elected to the Presidency....suddenly DEFICITS MATTER!

The hypocrisy of The Republican Party is mind boggling....

Lol
They have not mattered to the GOP establishment for decades, That battle has been lost ever since the 40s and 50s you stupid motherfucker.

 

[Lewdog]

Actually... last year was the first time in several decades that the average U.S. life-span went DOWN.

Your argument for retiring at a higher age only makes sense if the people retiring at that age can stay healthy... so you just made the argument for Medicare for all! Congrats you just argued away one social program to institute another.

Nope. I did not. We are not as healthy because we are fat. Stop eating so damn much. Most persons have private pay nothing wrong with that but those who don't have it and are indigent and are citizens have medicaid. You're just trolling now. Congrats for being a douche.

Nice try, but no cigar. Your argument is that people need to work longer in order to retire older. In order for that to work people are going to need better healthcare and the ability to afford their medicines.

Then you pivot into eating better and being less obese. Well... if you want that to work you are going to need some more programs to send people to eating the right foods, getting federal hands into the fast food restaurants forcing them to serve healthier food, and spending lots of extra money on proper exercise awareness, especially in youth.

You see where this is going? You are arguing for supplementing a social program with more social programs.

Either that or we let the unhealthy people that can not work yet aren't old enough to retire, to be left out in the cold and die, or spend federal money to open assisted suicide centers to get these leeches off the government tit! Congrats, you are just as much a socialist as they people you hate.

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

 

[Lesh]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

Wow isn't that nice. I don't believe it but even if your aren't lying as usual they are the extreme outliers

Herr Lesh, do you take meds? I do not. Maybe an Advil here or there.

DO you know anyone over 55? I do and most are taking at least SOME kind of drugs...whether it be to control diabetes,hypertension,collesteral...heart issues...cancer...bursitis...

What planet do you live on? Jesus...are you 12?

 

[Lesh]

Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all.

Yea...conservatives are super human right?

Lord help us with these cretins

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can.

Right. It's just a matter of will huh?

Dope

Yeah. I think so. Stay healthy and stay on your private insurance longer. Seems simple. To make the country better we all need to make some sacrifices.

Sacrifices? Like not buying meds or going to the doctor when we need to?

Like dying?

Gee...thanks

Who said dying? Stay on your private insurance longer and don't get fat and unhealthy? The delta between 67 and 70 is three years. LOL.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Nope. I did not. We are not as healthy because we are fat. Stop eating so damn much. Most persons have private pay nothing wrong with that but those who don't have it and are indigent and are citizens have medicaid. You're just trolling now. Congrats for being a douche.

Nice try, but no cigar. Your argument is that people need to work longer in order to retire older. In order for that to work people are going to need better healthcare and the ability to afford their medicines.

Then you pivot into eating better and being less obese. Well... if you want that to work you are going to need some more programs to send people to eating the right foods, getting federal hands into the fast food restaurants forcing them to serve healthier food, and spending lots of extra money on proper exercise awareness, especially in youth.

You see where this is going? You are arguing for supplementing a social program with more social programs.

Either that or we let the unhealthy people that can not work yet aren't old enough to retire, to be left out in the cold and die, or spend federal money to open assisted suicide centers to get these leeches off the government tit! Congrats, you are just as much a socialist as they people you hate.

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

 

[Lesh]

Nice try, but no cigar. Your argument is that people need to work longer in order to retire older. In order for that to work people are going to need better healthcare and the ability to afford their medicines.

Then you pivot into eating better and being less obese. Well... if you want that to work you are going to need some more programs to send people to eating the right foods, getting federal hands into the fast food restaurants forcing them to serve healthier food, and spending lots of extra money on proper exercise awareness, especially in youth.

You see where this is going? You are arguing for supplementing a social program with more social programs.

Either that or we let the unhealthy people that can not work yet aren't old enough to retire, to be left out in the cold and die, or spend federal money to open assisted suicide centers to get these leeches off the government tit! Congrats, you are just as much a socialist as they people you hate.

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

Do you realize that well over half of the readers of this board are retired conservatives...most of whom have health issues which INCLUDE obesity, diabetes and heart issues?

In fact it's the internet. YOU are probably overweight and on 14 different meds

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

Wow isn't that nice. I don't believe it but even if your aren't lying as usual they are the extreme outliers

Herr Lesh, do you take meds? I do not. Maybe an Advil here or there.

DO you know anyone over 55? I do and most are taking at least SOME kind of drugs...whether it be to control diabetes,hypertension,collesteral...heart issues...cancer...bursitis...

What planet do you live on? Jesus...are you 12?

You mean cholesterol. Of course I do. These people don't have private insurance? Nothing would change for them. I am stating to make a change for those under 55 and under 30. What the hell are you complaining about. Diabetes may be controlled by diet. Cholesterol as well. Heart issues as well. Cancer can impact anyone regardless of age, take some Aleve for bursitis.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

Do you realize that well over half of the readers of this board are retired conservatives...most of whom have health issues which INCLUDE obesity, diabetes and heart issues?

In fact it's the internet. YOU are probably overweight and on 14 different meds

IDC. If would have zero impact if you're 55+. Nothing changes if you're under you wait three more years and stay on your private insurance and if you're 30 or under you wait til you're 72. You have 40+ years of warning to eat better and be healthy or stay on your insurance longer.

 

[Lesh]

IDC. If would have zero impact if you're 55+. Nothing changes if you're under you wait three more years and stay on your private insurance and if you're 30 or under you wait til you're 72. You have 40+ years of warning to eat better and be healthy or stay on your insurance longer.

That made absolutely NO sense..and didn't even attempt to respond to this

Do you realize that well over half of the readers of this board are retired conservatives...most of whom have health issues which INCLUDE obesity, diabetes and heart issues?

In fact it's the internet. YOU are probably overweight and on 14 different meds

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

Do you realize that well over half of the readers of this board are retired conservatives...most of whom have health issues which INCLUDE obesity, diabetes and heart issues?

In fact it's the internet. YOU are probably overweight and on 14 different meds

Wrong. ZERO meds. Not overweight. Sh*t physical fitness is part of my job.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

IDC. If would have zero impact if you're 55+. Nothing changes if you're under you wait three more years and stay on your private insurance and if you're 30 or under you wait til you're 72. You have 40+ years of warning to eat better and be healthy or stay on your insurance longer.

That made absolutely NO sense..and didn't even attempt to respond to this

Do you realize that well over half of the readers of this board are retired conservatives...most of whom have health issues which INCLUDE obesity, diabetes and heart issues?

In fact it's the internet. YOU are probably overweight and on 14 different meds

And? I am not proposing any changes for them. I am proposing raising the retirement age for those under 55 and under 31. Why are you so bonkers over that, Herr Lesh?

 

[Lewdog]

Nice try, but no cigar. Your argument is that people need to work longer in order to retire older. In order for that to work people are going to need better healthcare and the ability to afford their medicines.

Then you pivot into eating better and being less obese. Well... if you want that to work you are going to need some more programs to send people to eating the right foods, getting federal hands into the fast food restaurants forcing them to serve healthier food, and spending lots of extra money on proper exercise awareness, especially in youth.

You see where this is going? You are arguing for supplementing a social program with more social programs.

Either that or we let the unhealthy people that can not work yet aren't old enough to retire, to be left out in the cold and die, or spend federal money to open assisted suicide centers to get these leeches off the government tit! Congrats, you are just as much a socialist as they people you hate.

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

You just parroted a word used against you! LMAO! Your parents are NOT the norm, even if your statement is true. There are TONS of people that are on private insurances that aren't healthy... and no, it isn't based solely on their diet. There is this thing called genetics. It's kind of new, you should look into it.

I own a phone... you said SMART phone. I think smart phones have become too big a crutch and it has caused people to become anti-social rather than social. Sure people converse on the internet... but less people actually talk to REAL people in person, and it's quite sad.

It went DOWN, that's the point. Despite all the advances we think we've made in technology, medicine, drugs... etc. the average life-span in the US went DOWN. Why? Because in the U.S. we treat the middle and lower class people worse, US citizens actually work more hours and take less time off than most of the world, and because of being so busy Americans eat fast unhealthy food and hold more stress which increases cortisol that also contributes to obesity.

You don't know jack shit about if I am fat or not. Trying to discuss this topic with you is like trying to explain string theory with a five-year-old. You don't even understand the very basics of logic.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

You just parroted a word used against you! LMAO! Your parents are NOT the norm, even if your statement is true. There are TONS of people that are on private insurances that aren't healthy... and no, it isn't based solely on their diet. There is this thing called genetics. It's kind of new, you should look into it.

I own a phone... you said SMART phone. I think smart phones have become too big a crutch and it has caused people to become anti-social rather than social. Sure people converse on the internet... but less people actually talk to REAL people in person, and it's quite sad.

It went DOWN, that's the point. Despite all the advances we think we've made in technology, medicine, drugs... etc. the average life-span in the US went DOWN. Why? Because in the U.S. we treat the middle and lower class people worse, US citizens actually work more hours and take less time off than most of the world, and because of being so busy Americans eat fast unhealthy food and hold more stress which increases cortisol that also contributes to obesity.

You don't know jack shit about if I am fat or not. Trying to discuss this topic with you is like trying to explain string theory with a five-year-old. You don't even understand the very basics of logic.

#1) So if my parents are unhealthy then I should just throw in the towel? I don't follow.

#2) It is "fewer people actually talk" not less and Smart Phones have weather apps, banking, GPS. Time to join the modern world, old man.

#3) It is because of auto accidents and poor eating habits IMO. We are the fattest developed country in the world. It is not even close. I am horrified at how many fat kids there are in my kids' schools. Ridiculous. Those parents should be ashamed of themselves.

Too much easy access to McDs, Burger King, Chick Fil A, etc. Kids also spend way too much time playing X Box vs. playing sports.

 

[Lesh]

IDC. If would have zero impact if you're 55+. Nothing changes if you're under you wait three more years and stay on your private insurance and if you're 30 or under you wait til you're 72. You have 40+ years of warning to eat better and be healthy or stay on your insurance longer.

That made absolutely NO sense..and didn't even attempt to respond to this

Do you realize that well over half of the readers of this board are retired conservatives...most of whom have health issues which INCLUDE obesity, diabetes and heart issues?

In fact it's the internet. YOU are probably overweight and on 14 different meds

And? I am not proposing any changes for them. I am proposing raising the retirement age for those under 55 and under 31. Why are you so bonkers over that, Herr Lesh?

"I'm bonkers" because you are making insane claims.

And now you want to screw over younger people...because they aren't close to retirement and make easier targets

Newsflash...Americans on AVERAGE may live to near 79...but the wealthier they are the longer they live. Poorer folks (and folks who do manual labor) DON'T enjoy that longevity...and in fact THEY are the reason the age has dropped for the first time in decades

 

[Lesh]

You don't know jack shit about if I am fat or not. Trying to discuss this topic with you is like trying to explain string theory with a five-year-old. You don't even understand the very basics of logic.

Amen