Goodell Ignoring His Own NFL Rules

[Auld Phart]

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

that might be a plan for you.

you still don't seem to understand what you read.

""The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages"

By kneeling, they are conveying a message!

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
And by standing they're conveying another message.

This must be completely over your head.

And by standing they're conveying another message.

yes

respect.

but that is the only message they are sending.

taking a knee on the other hand....

 

[Auld Phart]

did you read my post?

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

that might be a plan for you.

you still don't seem to understand what you read.

""The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages"

By kneeling, they are conveying a message!

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
And by standing they're conveying another message.

This must be completely over your head. Either that or you're embarrassed and desperately trying to derail the topic somewhere else.

Like you did yesterday with that ridiculous assertion that all of this had nothing to do with a national anthem. Remember that shit? Hilarious.

I remember.

You couldn't make a point in that thread either

 

[Pogo]

You posted at the same time I did. I have now replied to your post, although it still does not explain how debunking fake news is "funny".

I PROVED it's fake news. With a link directly to the same rule book the OP misrepresented because he didn't bother to vet his source even though its name "Drudgenow" should have been a screaming clue.

How is that "funny"?

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

that might be a plan for you.

you still don't seem to understand what you read.

""The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages"

By kneeling, they are conveying a message!

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
And by standing they're conveying another message.

This must be completely over your head.

And by standing they're conveying another message.

yes

respect.

but that is the only message they are sending.

taking a knee on the other hand....

"Only"?

There's no reference to "how many displays" are allowed. There is no "only".

This is clearly beyond your comprehension. You should go find a thread you can handle and stop trying to derail this one, which is about debunkization of fake news.

 

[Auld Phart]

I wasn't responding to the 'fake news' part of the thread.

I was referring to your inability to see what you later highlighted.

"conveying a message of approval or disapproval to a political cause."

I already explained that. In fact those are my own words IN explaining it.

Let it steep until it sinks in.

that might be a plan for you.

you still don't seem to understand what you read.

""The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages"

By kneeling, they are conveying a message!

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
And by standing they're conveying another message.

This must be completely over your head.

And by standing they're conveying another message.

yes

respect.

but that is the only message they are sending.

taking a knee on the other hand....

"Only"?

There's no reference to "how many displays" are allowed. There is no "only".

This is clearly beyond your comprehension. You should go find a thread you can handle and stop trying to derail this one, which is about debunkization of fake news.

seems reading your own posts are beyond your comprehension.

Have a nice day.


(psst, someone started another thread pointing out the same things I've been trying to get you to see. Why don't you go there and whine for a while?

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

So OP --- you gonna fine yourself?

Or even acknowledge that what you posted here is bullshit?

Hello?



OP ran away.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

So OP --- you gonna fine yourself?

Or even acknowledge that what you posted here is bullshit?

Hello?



OP ran away.

Sure. I have a big wad of cash and I need a place to put it.

Bend over.

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

So OP --- you gonna fine yourself?

Or even acknowledge that what you posted here is bullshit?

Hello?



OP ran away.

Sure. I have a big wad of cash and I need a place to put it.

You actually think you can PAY your way out of being exposed as a fake news thread?

What in the fuck is WRONG with this country............

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. ​

​

NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

​

NO THEY ARE NOT.

​

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

 

[Decus]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

.

NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

 

[Pogo]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

.

NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

 

[Decus]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

.

NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

Aren't you the dipshit that brought up "Pentagon Pimp money"?

For the money that the NFL has received it should do everything in its power to deliver the entertainment and leave the politics to a different forum.

.

 

[Pogo]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

.

NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

Aren't you the dipshit that brought up "Pentagon Pimp money"?

For the money that the NFL has received it should do everything in its power to deliver the entertainment and leave the politics to a different forum.

I agree. And that Pentagon Pimp Payment profanity is what put players on the field for the NA in the first place ---- not the corporate welfare. Had they not started that shit, there would be nothing for players to sit out, and you'd have no reason to call attention TO that corprate welfare.

 

[Decus]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

.

NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

Aren't you the dipshit that brought up "Pentagon Pimp money"?

For the money that the NFL has received it should do everything in its power to deliver the entertainment and leave the politics to a different forum.

I agree. And that Pentagon Pimp Payment profanity is what put players on the field for the NA in the first place ---- not the corporate welfare. Had they not started that shit, there would be nothing for players to sit out, and you'd have no reason to call attention TO that corprate welfare.

Great. So I take it you have no problem calling for an end to tax payer subsidies for the NFL? Without those subsidies I have no problem with the NFL choosing its own code of conduct.

.

 

[Pogo]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

.

NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

Aren't you the dipshit that brought up "Pentagon Pimp money"?

For the money that the NFL has received it should do everything in its power to deliver the entertainment and leave the politics to a different forum.

I agree. And that Pentagon Pimp Payment profanity is what put players on the field for the NA in the first place ---- not the corporate welfare. Had they not started that shit, there would be nothing for players to sit out, and you'd have no reason to call attention TO that corprate welfare.

Great. So I take it you have no problem calling for an end to tax payer subsidies for the NFL? Without those subsidies I have no problem with the NFL choosing its own code of conduct.

.

You take it correctly. But it's still completely off the topic.

But just to entertain the last line, choosing one's own code of conduct has nothing to do with what tax subsidies you get. Unless of course that conduct is specific as paid prostitution.

Far as I know neither NFL nor any other pro sport is paid by tax subsidies to run any other political charades like the Pentagon does.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. ​

​

NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

​

NO THEY ARE NOT.

​

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole. But then again....that's why you're a liberal.

 

[Pogo]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. ​

​

NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

​

NO THEY ARE NOT.

​

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole.

Snopes --- again YOUR OWN LINK, a source I also linked --- says there's no proof any such document exists.

Do you not understand what that means?

Moreover the undocumented quote from this unfindable "operations" book does not say what you claimed a completely different book said anyway, so even if it were real it STILL wouldn't make your point. A rule book which I already linked and which makes no mention of any national anthem at all, because what you started this thread with was, once again, ENTIRELY MADE-UP CRAPOLA.

Again --- took less than one second to find this out. Literally.

 

[mudwhistle]

Looks like Goodell needs to be fined as well as the players:

Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
news.grabien.com

At the risk of fines and suspensions, the NFL requires players on the field during the anthem, standing


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

After a federal vacated Goodell's four-game suspension of Tom Brady, Goodell appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals; by 2016, the Pats appeared to lose their will to keep fighting the case and eventually accepted the penalty (Brady's four game suspension, $1 million fine, and the loss of two draft picks).

Yet the NFL commissioner, notorious for his unusually massive compensation package -- rumored to be north of $40 million/year, making his total compensation of $156 million higher than Tom Brady's -- is taking a decidedly less fastidious approach to the rules governing the national anthem at NFL games.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America​

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. ​

​

NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

​

NO THEY ARE NOT.

​

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole.

Snopes --- again YOUR OWN LINK, a source I also linked --- says there's no proof any such document exists.

Do you not understand what that means?

Moreover the undocumented quote from this unfindable "operations" book does not say what you claimed a completely different book said anyway, so even if it were real it STILL wouldn't make your point. A rule book which I already linked and which makes no mention of any national anthem at all, because what you started this thread with was, once again, ENTIRELY MADE-UP CRAPOLA.

Again --- took less than one second to find this out. Literally.

Again....you cherry pick the details.
They said they didn't get a response from the NFL. This doesn't mean the manual doesn't exist......how else would they be able to look it up if it didn't?

At any rate....the rule exists and the NFL is not going to punish any team for breaking that rule.

No discipline for anthem-skipping teams as NFL fires back at Donald Trump

 

[Decus]

The money the NFL has received from taxpayers is not a few million (Pentagon) but rather in the billions, and this is just from the stadium investments:

"All told, 29 of the NFL’s 31 stadiums have received public funds for construction or renovation. In the last two decades, the analysis found, taxpayers across the country have spent nearly $7 billion on stadiums for a league that surpassed $10 billion in revenue last season."
....
"In fact, it may be too kind, said Rick Eckstein, a Villanova professor who co-authored a book on stadium financing. The TPA analysis relies largely on news reports, but those often miss other “subtle” costs that fall to taxpayers, like property and sales tax exemptions, the loss of stadium-related revenue to teams, and other forms of indirect support, he said."

Taxpayers Have Spent A 'Staggering' Amount Of Money On NFL Stadiums | HuffPost

The NFL is a sports entertainment concern and can promote whatever they want but they should do so without tax payer subsidies.

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NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers

How Taxpayers Keep the NFL Rich

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

How American taxpayers subsidize the NFL

Taxpayers have spent a staggering amount of money on NFL stadiums in the last 20 years | FOX Sports

The NFL: Big Business With Big Tax Breaks

With $6.7 billion in public money, NFL closes stadium era

Another loser tries desperately to change the subject.

Aren't you the dipshit that brought up "Pentagon Pimp money"?

For the money that the NFL has received it should do everything in its power to deliver the entertainment and leave the politics to a different forum.

I agree. And that Pentagon Pimp Payment profanity is what put players on the field for the NA in the first place ---- not the corporate welfare. Had they not started that shit, there would be nothing for players to sit out, and you'd have no reason to call attention TO that corprate welfare.

Great. So I take it you have no problem calling for an end to tax payer subsidies for the NFL? Without those subsidies I have no problem with the NFL choosing its own code of conduct.

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You take it correctly. But it's still completely off the topic.

But just to entertain the last line, choosing one's own code of conduct has nothing to do with what tax subsidies you get. Unless of course that conduct is specific as paid prostitution.

Far as I know neither NFL nor any other pro sport is paid by tax subsidies to run any other political charades like the Pentagon does.

Receiving government funds usually comes with conditions, including "Prohibitions Against Recipient Employee Political Activity" as is the case for Federal grants, where tax payer money is provided to other entities (ie: "As part its stewardship, FTA imposes certain ethics obligations on its own employees and contractors, and the recipients of FTA financial assistance and the recipients’ contractors..- Ethics in Federally Funded Public Transportation ).

Given the huge amount of subsidies received by the NFL I believe that they should either refuse future subsidies or focus their activities on their stated mission - sports entertainment.

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[Pogo]

BULLSHIT.

The NFL (now, as of a few years ago once the Pentagon Pimp money came in) requires teams to be on the field. It does NOT require them to stand. You've been played by an internet fake meme.

>> You may have seen this fake excerpt shared on social media about a NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem:

“The specific NFL rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

The exceprt being shared on social media is not in the NFL’s 2017 Official Playing Rules. Pages 62 and 63 actually contain information about the enforcement of fouls.

In fact, the rulebook doesn’t mention the national anthem at all. The only section that might relate to this situation is in regards to “Personal Messages” found on page 23, article 8.

The rule about personal messages states:

“Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.”

You can view the complete 2017 NFL Rulebook here. << (WGN-TV)

​

Actually from reading this passage it would appear the players are prohibited from displaying a political message --- which means they should be completely ignoring the national anthem.

Political displays are prohibited.
Fist in the air, sitting on the bench looking around in disgust, flipping off the flag... Those are political displays.

And your link cannot be verified as any more genuine than mine. Unless you know for sure the source is good.


Now this is what I found.....

"However, some sources have confusingly stated that the NFL has a separate game operations manual, and it is that document, not the rulebook, which supposedly includes the wording in question regarding player conduct during the national anthem:

It’s important to know that NFL football games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.

“The league’s Game Operations Department uses the manual to govern the conduct of home clubs, to ensure they protect players and provide the conditions for a fair and fan-friendly contest,” reads the NFL’s website. “Clubs face warnings and other penalties for noncompliance.”

The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does."

FACT CHECK: Are NFL Players Required to Stand on the Field During the National Anthem?


Are you a lawyer....... Because if you are you suck at it!!! ​

Once again Sparkly -- here is what you posted, STILL THERE in the OP AND the nested quote:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is such a stickler for adhering to the intricacies of the NFL's league rule book that he infamously waged a years-long, multi million-dollar battle with the New England Patriots trying to prove that balls used in the 2014 AFC championship between the Pats and the Indianapolis Colts were under-inflated.

The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. ​

​

NO, IT DOES NOT. And I proved it. Complete with a link TO that rule book itself.
You then proceeded to dig yourself deeper with this same bullshit social media meme I pointed out

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual:

​

NO THEY ARE NOT.

​

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.​

As noted before BULLSHIT.

There is no such clause.

Now you're groping for some entirely different mythical document. A document of which, I might add, YOUR OWN LINK says there's no documentation that it exists at all:

>> We have not yet been able to independently confirm the existence and wording of this second document (the NFL has not responded to our query), but the proffered wording states that players must “be” on the sideline for the national anthem, not that they must “stand” on the sideline (the latter is listed as something players “should” do). <<​

--- and even if it were real doesn't say it's a rule.

YOUR OWN LINK.

You lost this, chump. Let that be a lesson to vet your shit before blindly parrotting from freaking "Drudge" or whatever this cockamamie site is.

Again --- my search took 0.95 seconds. That's all you had to do.

Yet Snopes found the quote that was word for word exactly what I posted from the article.
So if there is any mistake....it was not mine. However, I doubt it. It does exist in the official game operations manual.

I know you are desperately trying to save face but as always your greatest problem is never facing up to the fact that you are wrong and that you're trying to make me out to be the asshole here. Well, you are the one looking like the asshole.

Snopes --- again YOUR OWN LINK, a source I also linked --- says there's no proof any such document exists.

Do you not understand what that means?

Moreover the undocumented quote from this unfindable "operations" book does not say what you claimed a completely different book said anyway, so even if it were real it STILL wouldn't make your point. A rule book which I already linked and which makes no mention of any national anthem at all, because what you started this thread with was, once again, ENTIRELY MADE-UP CRAPOLA.

Again --- took less than one second to find this out. Literally.

Again....you cherry pick the details.
They said they didn't get a response from the NFL. This doesn't mean the manual doesn't exist......how else would they be able to look it up if it didn't?

At any rate....the rule exists and the NFL is not going to punish any team for breaking that rule.

No discipline for anthem-skipping teams as NFL fires back at Donald Trump

Again --- you got BUSTED here and that isn't gonna change. You came in claiming the NFL commissioner should be fined for "ignoring his own rules" and cited paragraphs that DO. NOT. EXIST.

You got your ass schooled on that, complete with a link to the document itself, and there's nothing you can do about that except acknowledge that you fucked up by running with "Drudge" and not bothering to vet your own claim. Not only is it bullshit, it's proven to be bullshit.

And yet, here you are, unable to acknowledge that, droning on and on and on expecting different results. What the fuck is wrong with you?