Going Nuclear

[Joe Steel]

The election of Scott Brown to the Senate from Massachusetts could be a blessing in disguise. The American People are being held hostage to the demands of special interests by Senate rules which permit a minority, in this case not only of senators but of senators representing a minority of the American People, to block legislation by filibustering. Should Brown be elected, the Senate majority still would be Democratic and they could abolish the filibuster.

It's all explained here: Senate Dems Must "Go Nuclear"

"Going nuclear" would have an added advantage. In addtition to overcoming Republican obstruction, the Democrats would be able to disprove the rumor that they don't have a spine.

 

[Navy1960]

It's too bad that those Senators though Joe that you say represent a majority of the American people are not representing the wishes of the majoirty of those they represent. The process in which you speak of will not likely happen regardless of how much some want it because it is a political move that will result in serious problems for the majority, not that they don't have some now. They are more likely to press for passage of the Senate version of the bill in the House as is.

 

[Joe Steel]

It's too bad that those Senators though Joe that you say represent a majority of the American people are not representing the wishes of the majoirty of those they represent. The process in which you speak of will not likely happen regardless of how much some want it because it is a political move that will result in serious problems for the majority, not that they don't have some now. They are more likely to press for passage of the Senate version of the bill in the House as is.

It is, indeed, too bad. That's why Brown's election could be a good thing. Should that happen, it won't because America is becoming more Conservative but because Progressives stayed home. If the Democrats want to retain power, they'll have to do whatever it takes to bring them out. Fundamentally, America is a center-left nation. Congressional Democrats are going to have act like it.

 

[namvet]

Joe has a severe case of PTSD

 

[saveliberty]

It's too bad that those Senators though Joe that you say represent a majority of the American people are not representing the wishes of the majoirty of those they represent. The process in which you speak of will not likely happen regardless of how much some want it because it is a political move that will result in serious problems for the majority, not that they don't have some now. They are more likely to press for passage of the Senate version of the bill in the House as is.

It is, indeed, too bad. That's why Brown's election could be a good thing. Should that happen, it won't because America is becoming more Conservative but because Progressives stayed home. If the Democrats want to retain power, they'll have to do whatever it takes to bring them out. Fundamentally, America is a center-left nation. Congressional Democrats are going to have act like it.

By all accounts there is going to be a large voter turnout. Your commentary doesn't seem to fit.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is why predicting Dem losses in 2010 is a lot like trying to estimate USSR losses during WWII, Dems can do any number of stupid things that could well lead to triple digit House losses, like say going nuclear

 

[saveliberty]

Biden is the dangerous one, yet Obama may endorse this method to pass health care?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Republicans haven't had a filibuster proof majority since the 20's. How did they ever pass anything?

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is why predicting Dem losses in 2010 is a lot like trying to estimate USSR losses during WWII, Dems can do any number of stupid things that could well lead to triple digit House losses, like say going nuclear

Free history lesson, Frankenberry...

The USSR won WWII.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Republicans haven't had a filibuster proof majority since the 20's. How did they ever pass anything?

That was before the Dem Party sailed off into the "selected not elected" lunatic fringe

 

[Baruch Menachem]

This is why predicting Dem losses in 2010 is a lot like trying to estimate USSR losses during WWII, Dems can do any number of stupid things that could well lead to triple digit House losses, like say going nuclear

Free history lesson, Frankenberry...

The USSR won WWII.

At least, they think so. They had a little help from their friends. Whom they forget about.

One might say, that whatever side they were on, was the winner side at the time. They were on both sides during the course of that conflict.

 

[California Girl]

The election of Scott Brown to the Senate from Massachusetts could be a blessing in disguise. The American People are being held hostage to the demands of special interests by Senate rules which permit a minority, in this case not only of senators but of senators representing a minority of the American People, to block legislation by filibustering. Should Brown be elected, the Senate majority still would be Democratic and they could abolish the filibuster.

It's all explained here: Senate Dems Must "Go Nuclear"

"Going nuclear" would have an added advantage. In addtition to overcoming Republican obstruction, the Democrats would be able to disprove the rumor that they don't have a spine.

Do you have any original thoughts of your own or do you need to be told how to think by progressive bloggers?

Also, I find it interesting that the progressives are finally coming out of the woodwork and being brave enough to stand up. Now we can shoot you.

Oh and.... it is difficult to disprove a 'rumor' that is not a 'rumor', but a fact. Spineless bunch of whiners, you progressives. But we promise your death will be as painless as possible.

 

[JimH52]

If Brown wins, the Dems need to step up to the plate and take it. They need to get the Republicans on board with some kind of reform. The pressure will be on the GOP. They will not be able to obstruct and confuse anymore, but rather try to gain a HC reform bill.

NO ONE, including me, will look favorably on the Dems if they eliminate the filibiuster, as the GOP threatened to do during the Bush years.

 

[SFC Ollie]

If Brown wins, the Dems need to step up to the plate and take it. They need to get the Republicans on board with some kind of reform. The pressure will be on the GOP. They will not be able to obstruct and confuse anymore, but rather try to gain a HC reform bill.

NO ONE, including me, will look favorably on the Dems if they eliminate the filibiuster, as the GOP threatened to do during the Bush years.

If the Democrats do go Nuclear or pass the Senate version of the bill in the house it could easily seal their fate come November. If they were smart, should Brown win. They would scrap this BS bill they are writing behind closed doors. Then they need to work with the Republicans and write a bill that actually addresses the problems.

 

[JimH52]

Agreed! It is like playing Chess. You sometimes have to forfiet a valuable peice in order the win the game. It's not the Battle but who wins the War.

 

[namvet]

This is why predicting Dem losses in 2010 is a lot like trying to estimate USSR losses during WWII, Dems can do any number of stupid things that could well lead to triple digit House losses, like say going nuclear

Free history lesson, Frankenberry...

The USSR won WWII.

they did. all by themselves ????

 

[Navy1960]

Really? and all this time I thought it was the Allies that won WW2 , funny thats the the same nations that signed the surrender documents with both Germany and Japan, something else worth nothing too, the USSR did not enter the pacific war till almost at it's end.


Regardless of Soviet cold-war attempts to forget (or at least diminish) the importance of Lend-lease, the total impact of the Lend-Lease shipment for the Soviet war effort and entire national economy can only be characterized as both dramatic and of decisive importance. The outcome of the war on the East front might well have taken another path without Lend-lease. There were undoubtedly big difficulties in the early period: aircraft modified for tropical conditions were delivered to Arctic ports, Russian-language instructions were lacking, a big number of aircraft were grounded because of lack of spa*res, ammunition, bombs or high-octane fuel. Soon many technical problems 'were overcome, Soviet guns and bomb racks were installed, and numerous other technical improvisa*tions were made in Soviet AF frontal units. Soviet specialists developed also ingenious technical improvements and modifi*cations of the original aircraft versions. In parallel the new American technology was systematically investigated in research and design institutes, and the total impact for the modernization of the Soviet aviation industry was certainly immense. The ultimate peak of this learning process was the post-war copying of the Boeing B-29 in only two years time, resulting in the Soviet nuclear-bomb carrier Tu-4.

Aircraft Deliveries

 

[namvet]

I was wondering why my dad suited up and went

 

[NYcarbineer]

Really? and all this time I thought it was the Allies that won WW2 , funny thats the the same nations that signed the surrender documents with both Germany and Japan, something else worth nothing too, the USSR did not enter the pacific war till almost at it's end.


Regardless of Soviet cold-war attempts to forget (or at least diminish) the importance of Lend-lease, the total impact of the Lend-Lease shipment for the Soviet war effort and entire national economy can only be characterized as both dramatic and of decisive importance. The outcome of the war on the East front might well have taken another path without Lend-lease. There were undoubtedly big difficulties in the early period: aircraft modified for tropical conditions were delivered to Arctic ports, Russian-language instructions were lacking, a big number of aircraft were grounded because of lack of spa*res, ammunition, bombs or high-octane fuel. Soon many technical problems 'were overcome, Soviet guns and bomb racks were installed, and numerous other technical improvisa*tions were made in Soviet AF frontal units. Soviet specialists developed also ingenious technical improvements and modifi*cations of the original aircraft versions. In parallel the new American technology was systematically investigated in research and design institutes, and the total impact for the modernization of the Soviet aviation industry was certainly immense. The ultimate peak of this learning process was the post-war copying of the Boeing B-29 in only two years time, resulting in the Soviet nuclear-bomb carrier Tu-4.

Aircraft Deliveries

Take the Soviets out of the war and transfer all those German divisions to the west and see who wins.

 

[Modbert]

Take the Soviets out of the war and transfer all those German divisions to the west and see who wins.

People like to rewrite history because Stalin was just as big of an asshole as Hitler.

The people in the Soviet Union were brave people and many of them died fighting to stop the Nazis. The numbers of deaths they occurred was major.