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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

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Would we not end in putting the less fit into various offices and positions of power?
Need I remind you who sits in the oval office. Competition is no guarantee that the fittest among us will thrive and it appears to me that we may be enslaving ourselves by our technology.

The vagaries of chance are always involved in a competition. The fittest runner might sometime trip in a race.

You did not answer on my business scenario.

Please do as doing so will clear up your thinking on this issue.

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Think in business terms. Do you want the best employee you can find to compete with other companies or would you hire the less fit for the job?
Our economic system is competitive so naturally one must play the game. My point was that a competitive economic system is no longer necessary for our survival and much evil in the world could be eliminated by its extinction.
 

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The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and communism. Free enterprise mimics natural selection where slight differences propel the competition to the next evolutionary leap and ennobles the human spirit. Whereas Communism is like a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.
 

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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?

The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.

Doing evil must have conscious volition. In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.

Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?

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DL

Sounds nuts to me, but it's no worse than a lot of other religious beliefs.

Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
DL

Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL

Yes, there is a certain amount of competition in life, but nothing says the competition has to become unethical.
 

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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?

The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.

Doing evil must have conscious volition. In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.

Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?

Regards
DL

Sounds nuts to me, but it's no worse than a lot of other religious beliefs.

Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
DL

Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL
Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich
 
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Think in business terms. Do you want the best employee you can find to compete with other companies or would you hire the less fit for the job?
Our economic system is competitive so naturally one must play the game. My point was that a competitive economic system is no longer necessary for our survival and much evil in the world could be eliminated by its extinction.

Your last is true but not your preamble to it.

Why would a company improve it's product or methods if there was no competition?

We would still have rabbit ears on our T Vs for example.

Companies must innovate or fall to the fittest just as in our species.

I do not see how we can take competition out of evolution but I am open to suggestions if you can show how such a full cooperation without competition system would work.

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The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and communism. Free enterprise mimics natural selection where slight differences propel the competition to the next evolutionary leap and ennobles the human spirit. Whereas Communism is like a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Good point.

Religionists are more communistic than free thinkers so I am pleased that you recognize the spirit destroying ways of religions.

You likely recognize this, but will ignore it, because you do not want to know the truth.

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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?

The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.

Doing evil must have conscious volition. In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.

Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?

Regards
DL

Sounds nuts to me, but it's no worse than a lot of other religious beliefs.

Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
DL

Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL

Yes, there is a certain amount of competition in life, but nothing says the competition has to become unethical.

I did not indicate that it was unethical.

In fact, I said that without it we would go extinct if we stopped doing that.

Like that Christian hymn says of Adams sin, it is necessary and a happy fault.

One of the few times Christianity said the right and truthful thing.

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The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and communism. Free enterprise mimics natural selection where slight differences propel the competition to the next evolutionary leap and ennobles the human spirit. Whereas Communism is like a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Good point.

Religionists are more communistic than free thinkers so I am pleased that you recognize the spirit destroying ways of religions.

You likely recognize this, but will ignore it, because you do not want to know the truth.

Regards
DL
Just the Gnostics are that way.

That's why Christians had to take them out.
 
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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?

The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.

Doing evil must have conscious volition. In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.

Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?

Regards
DL

Sounds nuts to me, but it's no worse than a lot of other religious beliefs.

Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
DL

Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL
Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

If you are saying that the equality of outcome is stupid, I agree.

Regards
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Sounds nuts to me, but it's no worse than a lot of other religious beliefs.

Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
DL

Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL
Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

If you are saying that the equality of outcome is stupid, I agree.

Regards
DL
No. I am saying that socialism is stupid. And that socialists are stupid.
 
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The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and communism. Free enterprise mimics natural selection where slight differences propel the competition to the next evolutionary leap and ennobles the human spirit. Whereas Communism is like a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Good point.

Religionists are more communistic than free thinkers so I am pleased that you recognize the spirit destroying ways of religions.

You likely recognize this, but will ignore it, because you do not want to know the truth.

Regards
DL
Just the Gnostics are that way.

That's why Christians had to take them out.

You show how little you know of Gnostic Christianity.

You might want to read and think of what you say instead of just copy past things you do not understand.

Like your forefathers, you justify Inquisitions with your foul mindset and seem to hate freedom of thought.

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The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and communism. Free enterprise mimics natural selection where slight differences propel the competition to the next evolutionary leap and ennobles the human spirit. Whereas Communism is like a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Good point.

Religionists are more communistic than free thinkers so I am pleased that you recognize the spirit destroying ways of religions.

You likely recognize this, but will ignore it, because you do not want to know the truth.

Regards
DL
Just the Gnostics are that way.

That's why Christians had to take them out.

You show how little you know of Gnostic Christianity.

You might want to read and think of what you say instead of just copy past things you do not understand.

Like your forefathers, you justify Inquisitions with your foul mindset and seem to hate freedom of thought.

Regards
DL
I know enough to know you aren't one of them.
 
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Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
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Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL
Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

If you are saying that the equality of outcome is stupid, I agree.

Regards
DL
No. I am saying that socialism is stupid. And that socialists are stupid.

We have never had a true communistic or socialistic country so as usual you are talking out of your colon. Even those who claimed to be such were oligarchies.

Regards
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The cosmic battle between good and evil has manifested itself in the battle between free enterprise and communism. Free enterprise mimics natural selection where slight differences propel the competition to the next evolutionary leap and ennobles the human spirit. Whereas Communism is like a subtle narcotic which destroys the spirit of man.

Good point.

Religionists are more communistic than free thinkers so I am pleased that you recognize the spirit destroying ways of religions.

You likely recognize this, but will ignore it, because you do not want to know the truth.

Regards
DL
Just the Gnostics are that way.

That's why Christians had to take them out.

You show how little you know of Gnostic Christianity.

You might want to read and think of what you say instead of just copy past things you do not understand.

Like your forefathers, you justify Inquisitions with your foul mindset and seem to hate freedom of thought.

Regards
DL
I know enough to know you aren't one of them.

I should have known not take you off ignore.

You are back on that status.

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Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL
Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

If you are saying that the equality of outcome is stupid, I agree.

Regards
DL
No. I am saying that socialism is stupid. And that socialists are stupid.

We have never had a true communistic or socialistic country so as usual you are talking out of your colon. Even those who claimed to be such were oligarchies.

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DL
Does that make you sad?
 

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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?

The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.

Doing evil must have conscious volition. In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.

Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?

Regards
DL

Kinda depends on your definition of evil. Do the gnostic Christians believe that competition is inherently evil?

I wrote " We must compete to survive and thrive."

When we do the losers to those competitions will feel that evil has befallen them. Since we must compete, it is more good than evil.

The situation becomes a bit like the Christian Exsultet hymn that calls Adams sin a happy fault and necessary.

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DL

So, that's the dividing line for good and evil? If someone feels as though evil has befallen them when they lose a competition, then the winner must have perpetrated an act of evil upon them?
 

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Sounds nuts to me, but it's no worse than a lot of other religious beliefs.

Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

Regards
DL

Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL

Yes, there is a certain amount of competition in life, but nothing says the competition has to become unethical.

I did not indicate that it was unethical.

In fact, I said that without it we would go extinct if we stopped doing that.

Like that Christian hymn says of Adams sin, it is necessary and a happy fault.

One of the few times Christianity said the right and truthful thing.

Regards
DL

So are you portraying competition as good, or evil, or perhaps a little of both? Clarify your meaning.
 
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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.

Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?

The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.

Doing evil must have conscious volition. In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.

Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?

Regards
DL

Kinda depends on your definition of evil. Do the gnostic Christians believe that competition is inherently evil?

I wrote " We must compete to survive and thrive."

When we do the losers to those competitions will feel that evil has befallen them. Since we must compete, it is more good than evil.

The situation becomes a bit like the Christian Exsultet hymn that calls Adams sin a happy fault and necessary.

Regards
DL

So, that's the dividing line for good and evil? If someone feels as though evil has befallen them when they lose a competition, then the winner must have perpetrated an act of evil upon them?

In evolution, yes.

If the feeling is universal, which I think it is, then yes again.

Let's keep it simple.

I win, I feel happy and that is good.
I lose, I feel sad and that is evil.

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Why? Do you not recognize that you must compete to survive?

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Since I haven't seen any proof of a God of any kind, I really don't care to get into a deep discussion about what flavor God you think is best. I just said your OP sounded nuts, but it's no more nuts than is said by other religious nuts, so believe what you want, as long as you don't expect our laws to be adjusted to match your fantasy.

This is more about life than religious opinion.

What may be nuts is people not seeing the reality of them doing evil to those you compete against.

Competition cause all people to people evil and harm, yet that fact is mostly ignored.

You call this theory nuts while it is sound and true.

Regards
DL

Yes, there is a certain amount of competition in life, but nothing says the competition has to become unethical.

I did not indicate that it was unethical.

In fact, I said that without it we would go extinct if we stopped doing that.

Like that Christian hymn says of Adams sin, it is necessary and a happy fault.

One of the few times Christianity said the right and truthful thing.

Regards
DL

So are you portraying competition as good, or evil, or perhaps a little of both? Clarify your meaning.

Evolution has both cooperation and competition and we must do some of both.

Competition hold an evil component bur since we must do it, the good is greater than the evil. That evil is then a necessary evil and nature has not given us a way to rid ourselves of it.

Nature, through man, may have helped us reduce the harm with various safety nets and social programs but I cannot see how we can eliminate that evil altogether.

If you have a suggestion I am open to listening.

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DL
 

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