Give a man a fish.......

[jon_berzerk]

You can teach a million men how to fish, but it won't help them if they live in a desert.

Do you really believe this is actually about fishing?

no

but why on earth would one teach a million people a job

that does not exist

seems like you would drop that one for something else available in the area

 

[rightwinger]

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

Sounds like the person having been taught to fish simply has to make excuses when what he's learned doesn't provide him as much as someone else when the problem is still with the learner.

Its always easier to fish with the best equipment, no competition and a fishing hole with the most fish in it.

Actually, it sounds to me as if it's easier for you to make excuses than to look for answers

Sounds like a man who was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple

 

[Conservative65]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

What a load of bullshit.

There is more opportunity in the GOUSA than anywhere else in the world.

The "pond" is not closed.

Reading apologists for people who refuse to get an education and prepare for life makes me sick.

Thank you!

I agree. It's BS. Too many look for excuses rather than answers then blame someone else when they can't find them.

Even mention that someone unprepared for life could be that way because they quit high school and see how quickly the apologists blame anyone/anything else but the quitter for their place in life.

 

[NLT]

We get this line of shit from the lefties regarding government....
" Where would we be without government? Without roads,fire department,police? "
On and on ...
That wack job Lizzie Warren..." If you own a business you didn't build it" crap
Government provided the roads the electricity the sewer etc....

Well who the **** paid for it.
The government you say!

And where did they get the money from?

These lovers of big government....

Geeez

The government is "We the People"
Businesses benefit from the infrastructure that "We the People" have provided

No lately the government is " Give me all your shit so I can give to those democratic voters over there"

And yet, our government has some of the lowest tax rates in the world

Most of the "shit" being paid by our government goes to red states

Red states have more minorities

 

[Conservative65]

You can teach a million men how to fish, but it won't help them if they live in a desert.

Do you really believe this is actually about fishing?

no

but why on earth would one teach a million people a job

that does not exist

seems like you would drop that one for something else available in the area

Because there isn't just one kind of job in the world. I've lost my job twice in my life. Being that I am certified and/or licensed in 3 distinct but indirectly related fields, I was fishing rather quickly in another pond. Instead of making excuses, I took it upon MYSELF to better MYSELF.

By the way, I didn't have those certifications/licenses already in place by sitting on my ass complaining that government teach me the skills.

 

[Conservative65]

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

Sounds like the person having been taught to fish simply has to make excuses when what he's learned doesn't provide him as much as someone else when the problem is still with the learner.

Its always easier to fish with the best equipment, no competition and a fishing hole with the most fish in it.

Actually, it sounds to me as if it's easier for you to make excuses than to look for answers

Sounds like a man who was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple

You sound like one who didn't go to the batting cage or took fielding practice then wonders why he strikes out and makes errors on every at bat or ball hit to him.

My family history involves people having worked in the cotton mills of SC and coal mines of Pennsylvania. No one gets to third base when born from that background. I was the FIRST in my immediate family to graduate from college and it was funded by academic and athletic scholarships. I have gone on to finish two advanced degrees since then. In case you aren't aware, you don't get those types of things by staying out of the batting cage and off the field hoping the skills comes your way.

 

[Camp]

You can teach a million men how to fish, but it won't help them if they live in a desert.

Do you really believe this is actually about fishing?

Do you really believe my comment was about fishing? The teaching is about educating and training a man to produce a service or product that will make him financially viable. If the environment he enters after the education and training is a "desert" in regards to jobs, the education and training is useless.

 

[NLT]

We get this line of shit from the lefties regarding government....
" Where would we be without government? Without roads,fire department,police? "
On and on ...
That wack job Lizzie Warren..." If you own a business you didn't build it" crap
Government provided the roads the electricity the sewer etc....

Well who the **** paid for it.
The government you say!

And where did they get the money from?

These lovers of big government....

Geeez

The government is "We the People"
Businesses benefit from the infrastructure that "We the People" have provided

No lately the government is " Give me all your shit so I can give to those democratic voters over there"

And yet, our government has some of the lowest tax rates in the world

Most of the "shit" being paid by our government goes to red states

I'm calling you out, that's a lie! A decades old lie the left continues to tell. By the way when are you people going to get some new material, its like watching re-runs from the 1970's.

RW when did VT become a red state?

 

[BluesLegend]

We get this line of shit from the lefties regarding government....
" Where would we be without government? Without roads,fire department,police? "
On and on ...
That wack job Lizzie Warren..." If you own a business you didn't build it" crap
Government provided the roads the electricity the sewer etc....

Well who the **** paid for it.
The government you say!

And where did they get the money from?

These lovers of big government....

Geeez

The government is "We the People"
Businesses benefit from the infrastructure that "We the People" have provided

No lately the government is " Give me all your shit so I can give to those democratic voters over there"

And yet, our government has some of the lowest tax rates in the world

Most of the "shit" being paid by our government goes to red states

I'm calling you out, that's a lie! A decades old lie the left continues to tell. By the way when are you people going to get some new material, its like watching re-runs from the 1970's.

I live in NJ where we get about 67 cents on our tax dollar
Tell me about all the federal spending in your state?

I 'lived' in NJ where the greedy state and local government has cranked up property taxes to insane levels, so I left and took my money and job with me.

 

[Conservative65]

You can teach a million men how to fish, but it won't help them if they live in a desert.

Do you really believe this is actually about fishing?

Do you really believe my comment was about fishing? The teaching is about educating and training a man to produce a service or product that will make him financially viable. If the environment he enters after the education and training is a "desert" in regards to jobs, the education and training is useless.

When one pond dries up, go to another one. People can either do that or they can have your attitude of the government being the one to do it for them.

 

[Camp]

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

Sounds like the person having been taught to fish simply has to make excuses when what he's learned doesn't provide him as much as someone else when the problem is still with the learner.

Its always easier to fish with the best equipment, no competition and a fishing hole with the most fish in it.

Actually, it sounds to me as if it's easier for you to make excuses than to look for answers

Sounds like a man who was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple

You sound like one who didn't go to the batting cage or took fielding practice then wonders why he strikes out and makes errors on every at bat or ball hit to him.

My family history involves people having worked in the cotton mills of SC and coal mines of Pennsylvania. No one gets to third base when born from that background. I was the FIRST in my immediate family to graduate from college and it was funded by academic and athletic scholarships. I have gone on to finish two advanced degrees since then. In case you aren't aware, you don't get those types of things by staying out of the batting cage and off the field hoping the skills comes your way.

How typical. You were born to a family that instilled a strong work ethic, born with a good mind, perhaps above average, that allowed you to earn academic scholarships. As an added bonus you were born with some athletic abilities that helped you earn those kinds of scholarships to add to your academic ones. Now you brag about your accomplishments and disparage those below your station who were not born with the same attributes. Not everyone born with the advantage of those attributes find it necessary to bolster their egos by bragging and disparaging. Many fully understand and appreciate their good fortune and understand and appreciate that many people are born without those attributes.

 

[Conservative65]

Sounds like the person having been taught to fish simply has to make excuses when what he's learned doesn't provide him as much as someone else when the problem is still with the learner.

Its always easier to fish with the best equipment, no competition and a fishing hole with the most fish in it.

Actually, it sounds to me as if it's easier for you to make excuses than to look for answers

Sounds like a man who was born on third base and acts like he hit a triple

You sound like one who didn't go to the batting cage or took fielding practice then wonders why he strikes out and makes errors on every at bat or ball hit to him.

My family history involves people having worked in the cotton mills of SC and coal mines of Pennsylvania. No one gets to third base when born from that background. I was the FIRST in my immediate family to graduate from college and it was funded by academic and athletic scholarships. I have gone on to finish two advanced degrees since then. In case you aren't aware, you don't get those types of things by staying out of the batting cage and off the field hoping the skills comes your way.

How typical. You were born to a family that instilled a strong work ethic, born with a good mind, perhaps above average, that allowed you to earn academic scholarships. As an added bonus you were born with some athletic abilities that helped you earn those kinds of scholarships to add to your academic ones. Now you brag about your accomplishments and disparage those below your station who were not born with the same attributes. Not everyone born with the advantage of those attributes find it necessary to bolster their egos by bragging and disparaging. Many fully understand and appreciate their good fortune and understand and appreciate that many people are born without those attributes.

It's not bragging. It's called stating a fact and refuting your nonsense claim that I am where I am because I had an advantage you incorrectly claimed.

The ONLY way you can claim it was anything but hard work that got me those scholarships is by being willing to say I was born smart and athletic. You have no way of proving it but it does give your sorry ass another excuse to show your jealousy of me because you have failed in life. I wasn't born with a strong work ethic. My parents instilled one in me and helped me develop intelligence. Sorry yours didn't but it's not my place to make up for that.

 

[rightwinger]

We get this line of shit from the lefties regarding government....
" Where would we be without government? Without roads,fire department,police? "
On and on ...
That wack job Lizzie Warren..." If you own a business you didn't build it" crap
Government provided the roads the electricity the sewer etc....

Well who the **** paid for it.
The government you say!

And where did they get the money from?

These lovers of big government....

Geeez

The government is "We the People"
Businesses benefit from the infrastructure that "We the People" have provided

No lately the government is " Give me all your shit so I can give to those democratic voters over there"

And yet, our government has some of the lowest tax rates in the world

Most of the "shit" being paid by our government goes to red states

I'm calling you out, that's a lie! A decades old lie the left continues to tell. By the way when are you people going to get some new material, its like watching re-runs from the 1970's.

RW when did VT become a red state?

You do realize that graph is totally useless and why don't you?
Please post something relevant

 

[rightwinger]

You can teach a million men how to fish, but it won't help them if they live in a desert.

Do you really believe this is actually about fishing?

Do you really believe my comment was about fishing? The teaching is about educating and training a man to produce a service or product that will make him financially viable. If the environment he enters after the education and training is a "desert" in regards to jobs, the education and training is useless.

When one pond dries up, go to another one. People can either do that or they can have your attitude of the government being the one to do it for them.

What happens when all those people leaving the dry pond show up at yours?

Do you welcome them ? Even after you start catching fewer and fewer fish?

 

[Roadrunner]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

How many generations do we need to be giving out fish? If your fish is delivered to your door, why even bother to learn to fish?

Delivered to the door, they'd expect it fileted and breaded.

 

[Roadrunner]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

How many generations do we need to be giving out fish? If your fish is delivered to your door, why even bother to learn to fish?

Yet another cornerstone of conservatism

People will not want to work unless they suffer enough. There is no society on earth where the poor have done better by giving them less

How's this giving them more working out?

 

[Roadrunner]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

I think a nuanced look at that saying implies that knowledge given as a gift is more valuable than any material thing. In America knowledge (education) comes at a very high price that almost negates the benefits that come from gaining an education. To return to the metaphor, we will teach you how to fish but we get a bunch of the fish you catch for a very long time.

Hey, I guess your ***** is paying back money you borrowed?

I often ask myself why Righties always have to get so personal and so downright nasty, and then it occurs to me: they don't have an honest point to debate with and so, all that is left for them to do to save what little dignity they may have had, at least in their cataritic eyes, are ad hominems.

What a shame.

Another prime example of an Alinskyite accusing his/her/its opponent of what he/she/it is doing.

 

[Roadrunner]

..that's quite profound, little partisan.

You got it all figured out.

If all the energy and resources devoted to apologizing for and subsidising bad life choices were devoted to educating people that citizens had a duty and responsibility to prepare for life, and take care of themselves, we could eliminate most poverty in a generation.

Continued dependence is the sole hope of the Democrat party, so, I expect no change.

If the factory that supported your community moves to China, is that a bad life choice?

That is the problem facing our cities. The jobs that used to sustain the people (you may even call them fish) are gone

Then move.

People aren't chained to a spot in this country you know.

You remind me of the dog on a nail story.

Tom just moved into a new neighborhood recently. He liked his house and his environment, but there was one thing he didn’t get.


His neighbor, Mr Tan, had a dog that kept howling non-stop. Literally. Day in, day out.

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“Auuuuuhhhh………. Aaaauhhhh……….”

Initially Tom thought the dog was just going through a phase, so he ignored the howls, thinking it would eventually stop.

But it didn’t. It continued howling.

“Auuuu…………auuuu………..Auuuhhhhh…….”

1 day passed. Nothing changed. 2 days passed. Still howling. 3 days. 5 days. 1 week. 2 weeks. 1 month. Still howling, with no signs of stopping.

“Auuuhhh………….Oouuuuuhhhhh…….Au au auuhhhhh..”


Finally, Tom couldn’t stand it anymore. One fine day, he walked over to Mr Tan’s house to see what was going on.

Sure enough, there was the dog, sitting at the front porch, howling pitifully to whoever was walking by.

“Auuuhhh…Ouuuhhh….Auuuuuuuuuuuuuu………Au au au auu au au auuuuhhhhh….”

On the other hand, Mr Tan was relaxing on his bench at the lawn, leisurely reading his newspapers and sipping a cup of coffee.

Wondering what was going on, Tom walked up to Mr Tan.

Tom: “Hi Mr Tan, is that your dog?”

Mr Tan: “Which dog?” He glanced around. “Oh that. Yep he’s mine.”

Tom: “Why does he keep howling?”

Mr Tan: “Oh, that’s cause he’s sitting on a nail.”

Tom: “Sitting on a nail?!?” Tom gave the dog a bewildered look.

“..Okay… so why doesn’t he just get away from the nail then??”

“Well, Tom………”, Mr Tan took a slow sip of his coffee before replying.

“…That’s because he doesn’t find it painful enough yet.”

Very good answer....just move

Why don't people just move to locations where the fish are? Many times it is because they don't have the money to pack up and move to a location where they don't know anyone and don't know where the fishing spots (jobs) are

Many times locals resent those moving from other areas and hogging their fishing spots

Man, it must be a Vast Rightwing Conspiracy.

Hiding the good fishing holes, like the Dakotas, Texas, Louisiana, where a HS diploma and a punctual work record can put you in the oilfield making six figures.

 

[Roadrunner]

Liberals think government is good.

That alone is proof of their inability to think.

Society does not exist without government

People with a brain know that government is a necessary evil and not a thing to be lauded as a panacea

No sane person doubts the need for government.

If anyone wants anarchy, let them move to Chicago.

Or New Orleans.

 

[Roadrunner]

At Rotagilla

It would appear the power elite are taking us down the road to civil insurrection.

I believe Dems would love a good civil insurrection, so they could come to the rescue of the "oppressed", maybe have the National Guard fire on local police.