Palestine was in areas that stretched into Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and what is now Isreal.
Again, that's a really neat trick. How did they move the land to all those different places? Palestine was never in those places. Palestine has always been right where Palestine is. The region has been conquered and controlled by various empires at the time, but that's about it. The Egyptians invaded at one point, but held only minimal control with the Philistine city-states remaining generally autonomous. The Assyrians invaded and destroyed the Kingdom of Israel and conquered a good part of the rest of Palestine. The Babylonians laid the smack down on Judah. Jordan never existed until the 20th century. I don't know where you're getting Jordan from, other than the fact that what is modern day Jordan (then called Transjordan) was included in the British Mandate of Palestine. But see, it was the British mandate of PALESTINE. The area was Palestine, and what is modern day Jordan
was at that time part of Palestine, not the other way around. Jordan was chopped off of Palestine. The Jordanians are a political branch off from Palestine.
The first mention in recorded history has Palestine in Syria as the ancient Greeks in The Histories clearly defined Palestine in a part of Syria and Jordan.
No, the earliest references are Egyptian sources that refer to the "Peleset" people to the north west of Egypt. And Assyrian sources that refer the area as Palashtu, as well as Hebrew references to Peleshet that all predate Herodotus. Not only that, but Herodotus never said the area was in Syria. He referred to Palestine as it's own region.
After this they marched forward with the design of invading Egypt. When they had reached Palestine, however, Psammetichus the Egyptian king met them with gifts and prayers, and prevailed on them to advance no further. On their return, passing through Ascalon, a city of Syria, the greater part of them went their way without doing any damage; but some few who lagged behind pillaged the temple of Celestial Venus.
What Herodotus does mention is that there are Syrians who live in Palestine who learned the practice of circumcision from the Egyptians.
The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians...
Herodotus goes on to talk about other Syrians who live in what is modern day Turkey.
and the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbours the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians.
These two rivers are in northern Turkey, flowing into the Black Sea. Well beyond the reach of the Assyrian empire at the time. This demonstrates that Herodotus was talking about Assyrians who were in areas outside of any area that was ever considered part of Assyria, or even the reaches of their empire.
Yes, you should. Because you're WAAAAAAAY off the reservation.
In the 9th century Palestine was ruled by Egypt and then the Christian Crusaders smashed their party there and then the Seventh Crusade and then the Mongolians smashed their party there and on and on and on. Add in the Ottomans off and on.
What's your point? It was still Palestine, and the people there were still Palestinians.
In the early 1800s Egyptian influence again dominated Palestine and they took over again soon after. They returned power to the Ottomans and where oh where were the Arabs and Persians supporting these poor "Palestinians" then?
I see, your plan here is to go off on tangents to try to get away from an unsustainable position, to a "sustainable" rant, in hopes that people will get confused and accept your flawed original position. Well, not going to work.
Fact is there was a hodge podge of peoples populating what was then "Palestine" for over a thousand years and few were labeled as "Palestinians".
That's not true. The area was controlled by various powers at different times. But the area has ALWAYS been populated by the Palestinian people. You think that just because the Egyptians controlled the area at such and such time, that all of a sudden the population disappeared in a puff of smoke and a bunch of Egyptians sprung up from the ground?
Enter the Jews and all of a sudden we have millions of them.
I find it amazing that as Jews, we haven't had a country of our own for over 2000 years, have migrated and spread throughout Europe, the Mid East, and Africa century after century, and yet you have no problem believing that the Jews are a distinct people despite the fact that we have always lived in other nations, yet the Palestinians are somehow an "invented" people because the region has at times been controlled by foreign powers. It's completely nonsensical.
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