Germany´s economy on the decline - reaching the point of no return

[ESay]

Our idiotic regime was as yours as it was ours but the next day they signed that stupid treaty you, lo and behold, look at us poor bastards, were hindsightedly singled out and oppressed and then starved to death by the Bolsheviks while we stole all the spoils. Now with the Soviet electricity almost gone and the West tired of feeding you freeloaders might be the time for you to see what starved may mean. Cousin my ass, Mykola the poor.

By your idiotic regime I meant your grandmaster Putin and his cronies. And their deeds in 2014.

 

[AlexanderPK]

By your idiotic regime I meant your grandmaster Putin and his cronies. And their deeds in 2014.

Сала Xероям again? The US egged on the SBU or whathaveyou to kill the 100 thus warming up the stupid crowd. You were told, no NATO, case closed, but you were seeing the promised pie in the sky and lace panties for each. BTW, what's with the panties, care to explain? Were you all bare assed there on the Maydan wreaking havoc or what? Now, bare assed as before and a dick in the mouth instead of a carrot. Reap what you sow and don't blame Putin.

 

[ESay]

Сала Xероям again? The US egged on the SBU or whathaveyou to kill the 100 thus warming up the stupid crowd. You were told, no NATO, case closed, but you were seeing the promised pie in the sky and lace panties for each. BTW, what's with the panties, care to explain? Were you all bare assed there on the Maydan wreaking havoc or what? Now, bare assed as before and a dick in the mouth instead of a carrot. Reap what you sow and don't blame Putin.

Not blaming anyone at all, just pointing out facts. Not sure that you will ever grasp it, but I will say what I repeatedly said 10 years ago - taking the most pro-Russian regions out of Ukraine was a grave mistake of the Putin regime. With outgoing consequences today. Okay, now you can let your temper tantrum with words diarrhea get started.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Not blaming anyone at all, just pointing out facts. Not sure that you will ever grasp it, but I will say what I repeatedly said 10 years ago - taking the most pro-Russian regions out of Ukraine was a grave mistake of the Putin regime. With outgoing consequences today. Okay, now you can let your temper tantrum with words diarrhea get started.

What's with the panties? Why do you never answer the question asked?

 

[ESay]

What's with the panties? Why do you never answer the question asked?

Because these panties exist only in imagination of your juvenile-minded compatriots. That is, 95% of the population.

 

[zaangalewa]

... If I understood correctly, zaangalewa is Austrian and she see herself as a German. ...

Both is wrong. But if it would be right - why not? What would be changed in anything what I essentially say if I would be an Austrian woman?



Everything is so quiet, so cozy and warm
I lie in a meadow, under a tree
Close my eyes, then I'll go to sleep
I'm above the clouds now,
and the world is passing by

I hear a laugh, I know the voice
It's getting louder, you want me to come
If you pick me up, where will you take me?
So it's nice there, and who's waiting for me?

And somehow
I'm no longer afraid of you
I see the people, from long ago
long ago, and I feel
Everything is forgotten, and all mistakes are forgiven
And I realize that I am here
In eternal life

 

[AlexanderPK]

Because these panties exist only in imagination of your juvenile-minded compatriots. That is, 95% of the population.

How have you mature and level minded people then ended up in a sewer if none is to blame? No, my friend, your problem is exactly in blaming others and not holding responsible yourselves.

 

[ESay]

How have you mature and level minded people then ended up in a sewer if none is to blame? No, my friend, your problem is exactly in blaming others and not holding responsible yourselves.

Never said otherwise. The Ukes are the main guilty ones into turning their country into a shitshow. But you missed my point completely.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Never said otherwise. The Ukes are the main guilty ones into turning their country into a shitshow. But you missed my point completely.

He didn't make no mistakes. The only mistake was he didn't act sooner. He said this himself.

 

[AlexanderPK]

It's more about time for getting accustomed to the accent and to some local dialectical words. Yes, it sounds a bit weird, may be as weird as Hindish sounds to an Amglish speaker, but its more or less understandable.
You studied English, but you didn't need to study Ukrainian.

It's about not loathing the language you are trying to learn, at best. With all the hustle that we've gone through the last decade I just can't stand it. When I hear it spoken my least offensive wish is to reap off the tongue producing the sound.

 

[Ringo]

From around 800 to 1800 aka a thousand years - the Ukraine wasn't Russian

What a stupid nonsence...

 

[ESay]

He didn't make no mistakes. The only mistake was he didn't act sooner. He said this himself.

The time will show. It is pointless to argue about past things.

 

[JWBooth]

Germans, through their government, have been nothing more than a satrap state of the US since the war. Like a snowball going down hill it started slowly and small, decline accumulated mass with the rise of the EU, absorption of the GDR, and rise influence of Greens, then became immense with the yielding to the isolation of Moscow by cutting the very small but advantageous economic ties.
It allows itself to be directed by Brussels and D.C. and will become a greater insignificance if the AFD cannot turn it around.

 

[Kruska]

Here, I have to agree. The nationalistic groups in the WWII became a vital part of the Ukrainian state ideology now. I don't know whether there will be a return to normalcy. I personally don't support that. But you can't bitch about that. Your idiotic regime was among those ones who took part in creating such a state.

The SS recruited around 30,000 men from Ukraine - mostly formed in the SS Galicia No.14
On the other hand the SS and Wehrmacht exterminated around 8 million Slavs aka Ukrainians and around 5-6 million Slavs in the Baltic States and Russia.
Therefore Russia/Putin referring to Ukrainians until today in general as Nazi's - doesn't make sense to me - especially not in view of around 150,000 Baltic people and around 100,000 Russians having served in the SS.

That these Ukrainian SS volunteers and the Ukrainian population in general - rejected those Russian & Polish occupiers is understood - not to mention Stalin's added actions. That there is obviously a big rift between today's North/North-West and South-West Ukrainians towards Central Ukrainians and East/South-East Ukrainians only convinces me that Ukrainians and Russians ain't the same people.

That therefore extreme nationalistic groups in Ukraine from 1990 onward reflect their mindset onto the SS.No.14 is also understood - just as many Nazi groups in Russia seem to reflect their mindset onto those Russians who served in the SS and Wehrmacht. Or try to paint a connection between White-Russians and Nazi-Russians.

That today's UAF Logo - Coat of Arms, is flashing the former March 1945 UNA Logo, might not be a wise choice - IMO.

 

[Kruska]

What a stupid nonsence...

Only for those who got no clue about history, or in this specific case about Varangian, Kievan-Rus, Poland-Lithuanian and Russian history

 

[ESay]

The SS recruited around 30,000 men from Ukraine - mostly formed in the SS Galicia No.14
On the other hand the SS and Wehrmacht exterminated around 8 million Slavs aka Ukrainians and around 5-6 million Slavs in the Baltic States and Russia.
Therefore Russia/Putin referring to Ukrainians until today in general as Nazi's - doesn't make sense to me - especially not in view of around 150,000 Baltic people and around 100,000 Russians having served in the SS.

That these Ukrainian SS volunteers and the Ukrainian population in general - rejected those Russian & Polish occupiers is understood - not to mention Stalin's added actions. That there is obviously a big rift between today's North/North-West and South-West Ukrainians towards Central Ukrainians and East/South-East Ukrainians only convinces me that Ukrainians and Russians ain't the same people.

That therefore extreme nationalistic groups in Ukraine from 1990 onward reflect their mindset onto the SS.No.14 is also understood - just as many Nazi groups in Russia seem to reflect their mindset onto those Russians who served in the SS and Wehrmacht. Or try to paint a connection between White-Russians and Nazi-Russians.

That today's UAF Logo - Coat of Arms, is flashing the former March 1945 UNA Logo, might not be a wise choice - IMO.

I personally don't support the current policy of 'forgetting' the Red Army and the partisan movement and their role in defeating of Nazi Germany. That is insanity. We should celebrate this, not forget or ban it.

But I also understand that for the most part of the Western Ukraine it is the UPA who were and are heroes. There are a number of reasons for that, but that is a fact. What should be done with it? To ignore them, to try to change their mind? I don't think it is a good idea. For years, they advocated for the UPA to be recognised by a state, and their participants to be given a status of the War veterans. Ukraine did that, and I support this. But along with that Ukraine should have recognised the Volyn massacre and other atrocities, condemned them and apologised for them.

But instead of seeking compromise inside the country, the main political players made everything possible to divide it for personal gain. Now, we face the consequences of that.

 

[Kruska]

I personally don't support the current policy of 'forgetting' the Red Army and the partisan movement and their role in defeating of Nazi Germany. That is insanity. We should celebrate this, not forget or ban it.

But I also understand that for the most part of the Western Ukraine it is the UPA who were and are heroes. There are a number of reasons for that, but that is a fact. What should be done with it? To ignore them, to try to change their mind? I don't think it is a good idea. For years, they advocated for the UPA to be recognised by a state, and their participants to be given a status of the War veterans. Ukraine did that, and I support this. But along with that Ukraine should have recognised the Volyn massacre and other atrocities, condemned them and apologised for them.

But instead of seeking compromise inside the country, the main political players made everything possible to divide it for personal gain. Now, we face the consequences of that.

Good post

So according to you, are Ukrainians and Russians the same people - or are they essentially several different cultures/ethnicity, that only happen to share a common related language, due to an interwoven history of war&conquest from 1700 onward to 1990. ?

 

[ESay]

Good post

So according to you, are Ukrainians and Russians the same people - or are they essentially several different cultures/ethnicity, that only happen to share a common related language, due to an interwoven history of war&conquest from 1700 onward to 1990. ?

First of all, I wouldn't begin counting only from 1700s. We shouldn't ignore the old Rus state (though after Yaroslav Mudriy and till the Mongol invasion it wasn't 'a state' , but a group of principalities constantly fighting with each other); the Grand Duches of Lithuania and Moscovy, when each one considered itself a true Rus state and fought for former Rus lands; uniting the GDL and the Polish kingdom into one state, and policy of polonization that gave an impetus of pro-Russian tsardom sentiments.

In other words, it spans centuries and centuries, when people communicated, integrated, resettled, fought, lost and gained lands, etc. When the Ukrainians formed as a nation? Well, in my personal opinion it was quite late, maybe only in the beginning of the 20th century. It is rarely mentioned now, but when the Russian empire fell in 1917 and the Ukrainian People's Republic was declared and Ukrainian Central Rada formed (the parliament), the first decrees it passed were about an autonomy inside of 'a new' Russia, not an independent state.

But then again, I don't think that the Ukrainians (or Malorossy as they were called then) thought themselves as one and the same with so called Velikorossy (the Russians now). Differences in traditions, closing, languages made them different from their 'cousins', in their own eyes. I have read that even intermarriages were quite rare between them. Once again, the word 'moscal' (a derogatory term used by Ukrainians toward Russians) wasn't invented in 1990s or so, but goes centuries back. The same is with 'hohol' and 'katsap'.

But I don't think the case could be called 'nationalism' back then. While the Malorossy considered themselves different - 'non-moskals' - they didn't think in a term of a different nation. Social issues were the main concern then, not national ones. I think it is possible to say about 'regionalism', or something like that.

Now, definitely. The Ukrainians consider themselves as a political nation. Totally different from the Russians, just with similar languages. Moreover, this nationalism is based on 'anti-Russianism'.

 

[Ringo]

But I also understand that for the most part of the Western Ukraine it is the UPA who were and are heroes. There are a number of reasons for that, but that is a fact. What should be done with it?

There is a video where Zelensky, early in his political career, talks about this very thing, saying that if western Ukrainians love Bandera, let them do it, and let others love the Red Army, it's all fine.
But in real life it turned out that both Zelensky and Ukraine have fallen under the Banderites.
There is a proverb that a spoonful of tar spoils a barrel of honey. Experience also tells us that if you put in a good class of students a couple of hooligans and two-timers, then not good students will re-educate the hooligans, but on the contrary, the hooligans will spoil the good students.
To defeat the Banderite ideology, it must be opposed by a communist, international ideology. The ideology of capitalists is not very capable of fighting Nazis, because Nazi ideology, including the Banderite ideology, is a part of capitalist ideology. Therefore, it is not surprising that the already nationalistic Ukraine submitted to the Banderites.

 

[Deadstick]

Not blaming anyone at all, just pointing out facts. Not sure that you will ever grasp it, but I will say what I repeatedly said 10 years ago - taking the most pro-Russian regions out of Ukraine was a grave mistake of the Putin regime. With outgoing consequences today. Okay, now you can let your temper tantrum with words diarrhea get started.

Those regions leaving Ukraine started with the Western backed Coup in 2014, why is that so hard for you to understand? what i don't get is what you and other everyday joe in the US get out of it other than some false sense of superiority, my Government right or wrong, that road leads to Dachau.