Georgia To Bolster Gay Marriage Refusals ..Religious Grounds..Though Secular Grounds Compelling Too

[Silhouette]

Everyone, meet Greg Kirk. Greg Kirk, everyone.

The Republican state senator out of Americus has officially become the face of Georgia’s opposition to same-sex marriage, as the AJC reports that the former Southern Baptist pastor plans on introducing legislation that would protect businesses and public employees who object to gay marriage on religious grounds....And Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, who’s been throwing red meat to evangelicals by touting his opposition to same-sex marriage in recent fundraising efforts in the run-up to his bid for governor in 2018, appears to be on board with it... Georgia lawmakers striking back against same-sex marriage ruling - Georgia Voice - Gay & LGBT Atlanta

They might want to look up the Infant Doctrine/necessities and contract law....or this information: PRINCE'S TRUST 2010 YOUTH INDEX SURVEY or this thread: Is Gay Marriage Void? New York v Ferber (1982) Etc. or this thread: If States Defined Why They Give Tax Breaks to Marrieds....

This isn't just a religious argument....though the religious argument is a good one. Voters always react viscerally to issues involving children. Both right and middle. The left seems to regard children as chattel though ..

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5:36 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 21, 2016
Religious nonprofit organizations in Georgia that object to gay marriage wouldn’t have to serve gay couples or accommodate government anti-discrimination requirements under legislation that has already inflamed the battle at the Capitol over religious freedom and gay rights.

State Sen. Greg Kirk, R-Americus, said Thursday that he will file a bill called the First Amendment Defense Act of Georgia, or FADA. Inspired by pending federal legislation, the bill would create an exemption for certain groups who have a religious objection to same-sex marriage.....Kirk, a former Southern Baptist pastor, said that could include a faith-based adoption agency, local youth group or preachers who are vocal about their views. Under the bill, Kirk said, no person or group could have their tax-exemption status, education scholarship or school accreditation status challenged because of their views on gay marriage.

“No one wants these organizations to be criminalized because of their beliefs,”... “We’re ensuring all Georgians are tolerant of each other’s beliefs.”... Kirk’s legislation is among at least four bills in the state Legislature that fall under so-called “religious liberty” efforts, including one that would . Georgia senator wants religious opt-out for gay marriage...
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Basically the states starting to enact these types of laws are forcing the question "is "gay" a static issue or a set of behaviors/beliefs"? How can one set of behaviors or beliefs force another set of beliefs to bow before it?

I think that's what's gearing up here. When the word "race" or "Loving" gets brought up, some sharp lawyers are going to (finally and clearly) point out that fallacy..

 

[mdk]

They are more than welcome to try and pass this nonsense but don't be too shocked if the business community pushes back rather harshly.

 

[Silhouette]

They are more than welcome to try and pass this nonsense but don't be too shocked if the business community pushes back rather harshly.

They already have...but at their own peril. The South especially is dedicated to religious practices and freedoms. Any corporation coming down hard on those who defend faith are going to get bit in the ass in the South.

So go ahead corporations..do your worst...and have fun cutting your own fiscal throat.. The South knows how to weather a storm for a cause if anywhere does..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Prince's Trust Survey blows up every time your try to use it, Sil.

GA has every right to try this.

 

[Silhouette]

While starting grassroots legal actions is ALWAYS condoned by the LGBT, one of their pocket boys is suddenly all against local action on behalf of a social cause....in this case...freedom of religion...

ATLANTA – When the Georgia General Assembly convenes Monday for its next session, U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson said it should leave to Congress one of its most controversial issues, religious objections to gay marriage....The Georgia Republican told reporters Thursday after addressing the Atlanta Press Club that he favors the national uniformity congressional action offers....“We ought to have a single, federal standard,” he said. “That ought to be dealt with at the federal level, not the state level.” Isakson warns religious freedom should be handled at federal, not state level | InsiderAdvantageGeorgia

Sure and with the snail's-pace Congress...by the time any of them mustered up the courage to peep out a suggestion about that, we'd have five generations already of all-male or all-female families as the backbone of our future society.

No, I think right now and at the grassroots level is where this question needs new coal under its fire...

 

[Silhouette]

Indiana chimes in as well...notice the framing of "belief & behavior vs belief & behavior"...get ready...I smell a false premise tumbling off the wall..

January 14, 2016
(AP) Indiana Gov. Mike Pence said Tuesday he would prioritize religious freedom in the debate over civil rights protections for gay and transgender people, showing no retreat from his stance during last spring’s national uproar over the state’s religious objections law....The Republican governor said in his half-hour televised State of the State speech before legislators that no one should be mistreated because of “who they love or what they believe.” But he also said that “no one should ever fear persecution because of their deeply held religious beliefs.”...“I will not support any bill that diminishes the religious freedom of Hoosiers or interferes with the constitutional rights of our citizens to live out their beliefs in worship, service or work,” Pence said. Indiana gov picks religious objections over gay rights | CathNewsUSA

 

[JakeStarkey]

Go for it.

 

[mdk]

They are more than welcome to try and pass this nonsense but don't be too shocked if the business community pushes back rather harshly.

They already have...but at their own peril. The South especially is dedicated to religious practices and freedoms. Any corporation coming down hard on those who defend faith are going to get bit in the ass in the South.

So go ahead corporations..do your worst...and have fun cutting your own fiscal throat.. The South knows how to weather a storm for a cause if anywhere does..

Gays are not protected under Georgia's Public Accommodation Laws so this bill is the typical useless pandering we've come to expect from the anti-gay whiners.

 

[Silhouette]

Here's more about using money to force Christians to compromise their faith. This gal is trying to push this on Georgia..ie: to scare them into backing away. Ah the usual fare with LGBT proponents. Will it work this time?

Robin Wilson is a University of Illinois law professor who worked with the Utah legislature to help the Utah Compromise get passed,..
She hasn’t spoken to legislators in Georgia about the Utah Compromise, but she says the formation of coalitions like Georgia Prospers is a good start to the conversation. The coalition unites corporations like Delta, Coca-Cola and Google with small businesses, the Georgia Chamber of Commerce and hotel and tourism associations against laws that would discriminate against the LGBT community....“When you get not just the big Fortune 500s but when you get the tourism bureau and mid-sized companies and small companies saying ‘this isn’t correct,’ I think you have the kind of counterweight that’s going to make things happen,” she says, adding, “Much in some ways as the Mormon Church serves in Utah itself, they’re a huge counterweight in that community. Well, so is business in Georgia.” Is the 'Utah Compromise' a way through for Georgia LGBT, faith communities? - Georgia Voice - Gay & LGBT Atlanta

There it is...another version of Citizen's United...only this time taking a bite out of the 1st Amendment... Money talks, religion walks. Let's see what kind of a spine Georgia has...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lobbying is an American institution, and your opponents, Sil, have every right to push back.

 

[Silhouette]

Here's more about using money to force Christians to compromise their faith. This gal is trying to push this on Georgia..ie: to scare them into backing away. Ah the usual fare with LGBT proponents. Will it work this time?

Robin Wilson is a University of Illinois law professor who worked with the Utah legislature to help the Utah Compromise get passed,..
She hasn’t spoken to legislators in Georgia about the Utah Compromise, but she says the formation of coalitions like Georgia Prospers is a good start to the conversation. The coalition unites corporations like Delta, Coca-Cola and Google with small businesses, the Georgia Chamber of Commerce and hotel and tourism associations against laws that would discriminate against the LGBT community....“When you get not just the big Fortune 500s but when you get the tourism bureau and mid-sized companies and small companies saying ‘this isn’t correct,’ I think you have the kind of counterweight that’s going to make things happen,” she says, adding, “Much in some ways as the Mormon Church serves in Utah itself, they’re a huge counterweight in that community. Well, so is business in Georgia.” Is the 'Utah Compromise' a way through for Georgia LGBT, faith communities? - Georgia Voice - Gay & LGBT Atlanta

There it is...another version of Citizen's United...only this time taking a bite out of the 1st Amendment... Money talks, religion walks. Let's see what kind of a spine Georgia has...

Lobbying is an American institution, and your opponents, Sil, have every right to push back.

We'll see if LGBT fiscal blackmail will work or not...stay tuned..

If the LGBT blackmail works, we can have children in the future write essays on "how the 1st Amendment was dismantled by corporate blackmail". They can keep a copy of the old language of the 1st Amendment under glass at the Smithsonian, where its only function will be as a relic of the past..

 

[mdk]

What are these compelling secular grounds? Gays are icky isn't exactly a compelling argument.

 

[Silhouette]

What are these compelling secular grounds? Gays are icky isn't exactly a compelling argument.

It's easy to understand what the OP says if you actually read the OP..

 

[mdk]

What are these compelling secular grounds? Gays are icky isn't exactly a compelling argument.

It's easy to understand what the OP says if you actually read the OP..

Merely repeating your claims does not a compelling argument make.

 

[Silhouette]

What are these compelling secular grounds? Gays are icky isn't exactly a compelling argument.

It's easy to understand what the OP says if you actually read the OP..

Merely repeating your claims does not a compelling argument make.

Asking stupid rhetorical questions when you know the answer is in the OP does not a compelling argument make either..

 

[mdk]

What are these compelling secular grounds? Gays are icky isn't exactly a compelling argument.

It's easy to understand what the OP says if you actually read the OP..

Merely repeating your claims does not a compelling argument make.

Asking stupid rhetorical questions when you know the answer is in the OP does not a compelling argument make either..

Your legal gibberish about static issues is not an argument. It is a fantasy you've crafted b/c it allows you to harm gay people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sil's fantasy continues in new venues on the board to underwhelming reviews.

 

[Syriusly]

I think that's what's gearing up here. When the word "race" or "Loving" gets brought up, some sharp lawyers are going to (finally and clearly) point out that fallacy..

Race and Loving were raised in virtually every court case that reached the Supreme Court.

After all- as Mildred Loving pointed out

Mildred Loving said that most of her generation accepted the idea that God wanted the races kept apart, and government should act as the moat. She’s pleased, now that she’s a grandmother, to see younger people believe differently. Each day she thinks about what it meant to her to be free “to marry the person precious to me,” even when plenty of people reacted as though she had married a garter snake.

“I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people’s civil rights.”
She finished her statement by saying, “I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.”

 

[JakeStarkey]

One of the biggest complaints in the Little Rock Central High School integration fight was that the kids would get to know each other. Guess what? Six of the black students married whites. Guess what? America did not collapse. LGBT marriage will not cause the collapse of America.

 

[Syriusly]

We'll see if LGBT fiscal blackmail will work or not...stay tuned..

If the LGBT blackmail works, we can have children in the future write essays on "how the 1st Amendment was dismantled by corporate blackmail". They can keep a copy of the old language of the 1st Amendment under glass at the Smithsonian, where its only function will be as a relic of the past..

We will surely read about how the financial pressure of a coalition of big business's and civil rights groups inspired States to stop their discriminatory practices.