George Zimmerman's bloody head

[WorldWatcher]

Second of all, there's no evidence that Zimmerman DID continue to follow Martin after the dispatcher advised him that he didn't need to.

Actually there is. One the distance involved (see above) and two the girlfriends statement that Martin indicated the unknown man was following him and getting closer.


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If true, that would be the repeatedly in Inthemiddle's use of the stalking law. And the maliciously would be his comment that "these assholes always get away."

No they wouldn't, the actions of that evening would be considered a single event and an issuance of frustration does not imply malicious intent.



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[Inthemiddle]

Maliciously? No evidence of that.

Malice is inferred from disregarding the instructions of the 911 operator, acting beyond the established practices and scope of neighborhood watch, and his recorded comments such as "they always get away."

Repeatedly? No evidence of that.

Eh, he followed Martin, stopped, then went looking for him again. Seems repeated to me.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Muddled, you are reduced to a wall of words.

Awww, poor baby. Three paragraphs too much for you to handle, eh?

I said no such thing, you dishonest loser. Since you find it necessary to deliberately lie, you have less than zero credibility.

I knew you'd eventually come to such BS. I wish I'd bookmarked it. It's funny when people accuse you of lying, when they lie on a daily basis about supposedly being a lawyer, but then can't handle reading three little paragraphs.

I think you are part of the yowling mob, you dishonest dumbass, because you ******* admit it.

More lying!

How can you "believe" Zimmerman was "in the wrong here" when you have NO ******* evidence of that?

Maybe you missed the part where I said "based on the evidence available."

You are an idiot.

No, you are. You're so wrapped up in your confirmation bias it's insane. You say "there's no evidence of that" when in fact the evidence is there, and you simply want to push a particular interpretation of that evidence that supports exactly your own pre-determined notions. What's worse, is you actually think that what you're doing and saying is intelligent. Just goes to show that incompetence really does create the illusion of competence.

You aren't worth the effort of a point by point rebuttal. You are a dishonest and rather stupid, plodding hack.

In other words, you're incapable of actually rebutting, so you're just going to throw a tantrum just like any other intellectually handicapped wingnut.

 

[Inthemiddle]

"AND" is a very important word in the law which you post. "And" means that to qualify under the statute "repeatedly" would be a qualifying condition needed to meet the requirement of the law.


Can you provide any evidence that Zimmerman repeatedly followed Martin? A situation where Zimmerman had followed Martin in the past?

Be up to a jury, honestly. But trying to stick a stalking charge on Zimmerman was not really my purpose. Jim wants to paint Zimmerman as some kind of wholesome white-suited, innocent, and trying to imply that such would make it completely inappropriate/illogical/whatever for Martin to have been fearful about the fact that Zimmerman was following him, and approached him. I'm just pointing out that Zimmerman's behaviors leading up to the confrontation were already on the borderline of unusual, harassing, and/or criminal. Even if we agree that Zimmerman did not break any laws by following Martin, Martin still have a perfectly valid and reasonable basis to be fearful of Zimmerman.

 

[Inthemiddle]

The time line doesn't allow for this does it ?

Yes, it does.

Zimmerman broke off the pursuit once the operator told him to do so

Complete fabrication and contrary to the evidence, and completely unsupportable by the timeline and known events (like, for example, the fact that Zimmerman was heard departing his car, and was only running for a very short time, but the confrontation between him and Martin took place much farther away from his car than would have been possible if Zimmerman had ended his pursuit when you claim he did).

but you have Zimmerman continuing his pursuit after the operator said "we don't need you to do that sir", and Zimmerman said "OK", right ?

This would have to be all speculation by you, otherwise beyond the point that Zimmerman replied Ok to the operator, in which we all think at this time he had ended his pursuit of Martin once the operator told him "we don't need you to do that sir" correct ?

No, we don't all think he ended his pursuit at that point. Only the Zimmerman apologists think that, and base it no absolutely nothing. Such a theory conflicts with the fact that, ya know, Martin and Zimmerman ended up meeting up, and quite a distance from Zimmerman's vehicle at that.

 

[beagle9]

So, what I find to be most likely what happened, more or less, is that Zimmerman pursued Martin, hoping to score hero points, eventually caught up with him, and crossed the line by trying to physically detain Martin.

The time line doesn't allow for this does it ? Zimmerman broke off the pursuit once the operator told him to do so, but you have Zimmerman continuing his pursuit after the operator said "we don't need you to do that sir", and Zimmerman said "OK", right ?

This would have to be all speculation by you, otherwise beyond the point that Zimmerman replied Ok to the operator, in which we all think at this time he had ended his pursuit of Martin once the operator told him "we don't need you to do that sir" correct ?

The problem with that is that from the time on the audio tape that you hear Zimmerman exit the truck to the time of his response of "OK" to the dispatcher "once the operator told him to do so" was 18-seconds.

In that 18-seconds Zimmerman would not have traveled the distance from the truck to the event site behind the building where the event took place. When the timeline of the dispatcher call and the "OK" is synced with the shoot being recorded on the 911 call form the neighbor then Zimmerman would have had about 3 minutes to 3 minutes 30 seconds being between his "OK" and the shot being fired.

There are two possibilities. First, Martin attacked Zimmerman and knocked him unconscious and the dragged him down the street, around the north end of the building, then woke Zimmerman back up to then commence further assault so that Zimmerman would be conscious to fire the shot OR Zimmerman continued to move away from the truck after Martin after the "OK" and arrived at the event site under his own power.

Average walking speed is 4.5 feet/second (double that to a jog at 9 fps).

At walking speed Zimmerman would have covered 79.2 feet | 26.4 yards. We know he did not sprint at full speed because he continued a conversation with the dispatcher and there was some wind noise, but no background noise evidence of heavy breathing or the jerkiness of speech that would result in running. So let’s say he moved at light jog of double normal average speed. That would be 158.4 feet | 52.8 yards.

The distance from the truck area, east along Twin Trees Lane, along the sidewalk to the north of the building, and from the sidewalk "T" south along the sidewalk between the backyards was about 105 yards.


If you would like to research yourself, Google "Average Human Walking Speed". Then using Google Earth, you can use the path function to measure distances between multiple points you designate from start to end. Use "Path" instead of "Distance" because distance from point "A" to "B" would be "as the crow flies" meaning Zimmerman would have had to go through the building. Use the address of "1230 Twin Trees Land, Sanford FL" and it will display the right area. Distance measurements are under the "Tools" menu.

Second of all, there's no evidence that Zimmerman DID continue to follow Martin after the dispatcher advised him that he didn't need to.

Actually there is. One the distance involved (see above) and two the girlfriends statement that Martin indicated the unknown man was following him and getting closer.


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Hmmm, so there is approximately 3 min's & 30 seconds between the "OK" and the event site, where we have no accounting for or answer for at this time upon where Zimmerman was actually at within the time frame or where Martin was actually at in the time frame correct? All we have is speculation in which as you have already listed, where there are various possibilities in such speculation as is noted by you above, but are there more possibilities maybe?

 

[Inthemiddle]

Hmmm, so there is approximately 3 min's & 30 seconds between the "OK" and the event site, where we have no accounting for or answer for at this time upon where Zimmerman was actually at within the time frame or where Martin was actually at in the time frame correct? All we have is speculation in which as you have already listed, where there are various possibilities in such speculation as is noted by you above, but are there more possibilities maybe?

Wow. You just babbled on about how the evidence this and that, then when it's illustrated to you what the evidence does indeed support the position opposite yours, you want to say that now there's no evidence either way. *shakes head*

 

[beagle9]

The time line doesn't allow for this does it ?

Yes, it does.

Zimmerman broke off the pursuit once the operator told him to do so

Complete fabrication and contrary to the evidence, and completely unsupportable by the timeline and known events (like, for example, the fact that Zimmerman was heard departing his car, and was only running for a very short time, but the confrontation between him and Martin took place much farther away from his car than would have been possible if Zimmerman had ended his pursuit when you claim he did).

but you have Zimmerman continuing his pursuit after the operator said "we don't need you to do that sir", and Zimmerman said "OK", right ?

This would have to be all speculation by you, otherwise beyond the point that Zimmerman replied Ok to the operator, in which we all think at this time he had ended his pursuit of Martin once the operator told him "we don't need you to do that sir" correct ?

No, we don't all think he ended his pursuit at that point. Only the Zimmerman apologists think that, and base it no absolutely nothing. Such a theory conflicts with the fact that, ya know, Martin and Zimmerman ended up meeting up, and quite a distance from Zimmerman's vehicle at that.

No apologist here for either men, but it is good to explore all areas of the event, and to tease the minds in order to maybe get close to the actual accounting of the two men's actions (in which many are doing a great job on), and their exact where abouts within the time lines that are being figured, otherwise before they both met up for that traggic event or situation that took place once they did meet up, and maybe to find out how they came to meet up as found within the time lines in which we are all exploring in the event.

You seem bias in your assertions regarding the case, where as you lump someone in as an apologist for Zimmerman, but refuse to acknowledge your apologist attitude for what Martin's roll/part may have been in the case (or) what he may have been guilty of possibly in the case just as well. Keep an open mind always in something like this, and it will serve you well my friend, but showing bias is always something that can confuse and distort your findings & assertions (even jeapardize your credibility), because no one wants to listen to someone who has already made up their mind, especially when the case is something that hardly no one can figure out as of just yet, or may not ever know the truth on sadly enough in such a case.

 

[beagle9]

Hmmm, so there is approximately 3 min's & 30 seconds between the "OK" and the event site, where we have no accounting for or answer for at this time upon where Zimmerman was actually at within the time frame or where Martin was actually at in the time frame correct? All we have is speculation in which as you have already listed, where there are various possibilities in such speculation as is noted by you above, but are there more possibilities maybe?

Wow. You just babbled on about how the evidence this and that, then when it's illustrated to you what the evidence does indeed support the position opposite yours, you want to say that now there's no evidence either way. *shakes head*

It wasn't totally a position opposite of mine (what ever that was suppose to mean), because if you would read World Watchers entire post, he gave two possibilities that could have taken place, but you choose only one due to your extreme bias in the situation.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The time line doesn't allow for this does it ? Zimmerman broke off the pursuit once the operator told him to do so, but you have Zimmerman continuing his pursuit after the operator said "we don't need you to do that sir", and Zimmerman said "OK", right ?

This would have to be all speculation by you, otherwise beyond the point that Zimmerman replied Ok to the operator, in which we all think at this time he had ended his pursuit of Martin once the operator told him "we don't need you to do that sir" correct ?

The problem with that is that from the time on the audio tape that you hear Zimmerman exit the truck to the time of his response of "OK" to the dispatcher "once the operator told him to do so" was 18-seconds.

In that 18-seconds Zimmerman would not have traveled the distance from the truck to the event site behind the building where the event took place. When the timeline of the dispatcher call and the "OK" is synced with the shoot being recorded on the 911 call form the neighbor then Zimmerman would have had about 3 minutes to 3 minutes 30 seconds being between his "OK" and the shot being fired.

There are two possibilities. First, Martin attacked Zimmerman and knocked him unconscious and the dragged him down the street, around the north end of the building, then woke Zimmerman back up to then commence further assault so that Zimmerman would be conscious to fire the shot OR Zimmerman continued to move away from the truck after Martin after the "OK" and arrived at the event site under his own power.

Average walking speed is 4.5 feet/second (double that to a jog at 9 fps).

At walking speed Zimmerman would have covered 79.2 feet | 26.4 yards. We know he did not sprint at full speed because he continued a conversation with the dispatcher and there was some wind noise, but no background noise evidence of heavy breathing or the jerkiness of speech that would result in running. So let’s say he moved at light jog of double normal average speed. That would be 158.4 feet | 52.8 yards.

The distance from the truck area, east along Twin Trees Lane, along the sidewalk to the north of the building, and from the sidewalk "T" south along the sidewalk between the backyards was about 105 yards.


If you would like to research yourself, Google "Average Human Walking Speed". Then using Google Earth, you can use the path function to measure distances between multiple points you designate from start to end. Use "Path" instead of "Distance" because distance from point "A" to "B" would be "as the crow flies" meaning Zimmerman would have had to go through the building. Use the address of "1230 Twin Trees Land, Sanford FL" and it will display the right area. Distance measurements are under the "Tools" menu.

Second of all, there's no evidence that Zimmerman DID continue to follow Martin after the dispatcher advised him that he didn't need to.

Actually there is. One the distance involved (see above) and two the girlfriends statement that Martin indicated the unknown man was following him and getting closer.


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Hmmm, so there is approximately 3 min's & 30 seconds between the "OK" and the event site, where we have no accounting for or answer for at this time upon where Zimmerman was actually at within the time frame or where Martin was actually at in the time frame correct? All we have is speculation in which as you have already listed, where there are various possibilities in such speculation as is noted by you above, but are there more possibilities maybe?

And that's the issue that BOTH sides don't want to do. Examine multiple scenarios against all the evidence to see how it fits. Commonly someone per-decides that Zimmerman was at fault or that Martin was at fault and then argues based on that emotional position.

Basically we have:

Scenario #1: Zimmerman was out to commit murder, found a subject, and is fully responsible for Murder. (This appears to be the case the State will try to make.)

Scenario #2: Zimmerman acted with no pre-decided intent or disregard for human life but initiated hostilities.

Scenario #3: Zimmerman acted with no pre-decided intent or disregard for human life and Martin initiated hostilities.​

Under scenario #3, Zimmerman would have retained his self defense immunity as it was Martin that initiated hostilities. Under Scenario #2, the state would have to show first that Zimmerman initiated hostilities. Then they would have to show either (a) the extend of those initial hostilities, or (b) that Zimmerman after the initiation of hostilities and at the point he was losing the fight that he was presented with an opportunity to retreat. Even if Zimmerman started the hostilities, it is possible that he retained self defense immunity, but that question would have to be answered first. Scenario #1 appears (from the public evidence) to be a very weak case on the part of the prosecution.

During this time we have Zimmerman on the phone with the dispatcher and Martin on the phone with his girlfriend. Zimmerman's call ends at 19:13:41 or 1911 (depending if you go my dispatcher logs for external phone records). Martins call with the girlfriend ends at approximately 19:16:00 (based on phone records). The shot recorded by the 911 tapes takes place shortly after the girlfriends call ends and police report being on scene at 19:17.


The big unknown right now is exactly what Zimmerman said to the police that night. Remember, at the time it is very, VERY unlikely that he knew Martin was on the phone at the time that the event started and much will depend on his credibility as viewed by the jury. **IF** his story is that he approached Martin while Martin was on the sidewalk between houses and that Martin initiated hostilities - then that actually supports his credibility since Zimmerman's story matches closely that of the girlfriend. On the other hand **IF** Zimmerman's story is that Martin was hiding and jumped him, then (IMHO) that detracts from Zimmerman's credibility because it does not make sense under the known facts (i.e. Martin was carrying on a conversation on the phone at that exact time and it makes no sense for someone to hide to ambush while they are talking on the phone).

Then there are other issues that expert witnesses will need to be brought in to explain. If Zimmerman's story is that Martin was on top of him beating his head against the ground then:

(a) I'm the same height as Martin (71") with an arm length of 22" to the wrist. If Martin his his hands on Zimmerman's head and is flexing his elbows up and down (to create the beating head motion) then chest to chest Zimmerman and Martin will be 12-18" apart with Zimmerman under Martin. The straight front to back trajectory of the bullet through Martin's chest would require that Zimmerman pull the weapon and maneuver it between them pointing it "down" towards his feet (an unnatural wrist movement) to achieve that shot. A more natural shot would have been to remove the gun from the holster, place the weapon against Martin's side and fire. That would have created a side entrance rising into Martin's chest instead of a straight front to back. The second thing is that there was no Gun Shot Residue on either Zimmerman's jacket or shirt from such a close proximity shot. One would think that with them being that close that blow-back would have deposited GSR on Zimmerman and that gravity would have cause some material to fall down (since Zimmerman was under Martin).

That actually gives raise to possible 4th and 5th scenarios. That being in those critical couple of seconds before the shot was fired that, Zimmerman twisted and pushed Martin off and either: (a) pulled his weapon and fired, with arm extended away from his body into the center of Martins chest (No GSR, Straight Trajectory) with no delay even with separation (about 2 feet, arms length), **OR** (b) same thing but this time Martin attempted to re-engage Zimmerman resulting in Zimmerman firing his weapon.


It will be interesting to see how Zimmerman's accounts from that night and the video of his reenactment the next morning compare with facts that can be established and the forensic evidence.



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[beagle9]

The problem with that is that from the time on the audio tape that you hear Zimmerman exit the truck to the time of his response of "OK" to the dispatcher "once the operator told him to do so" was 18-seconds.

In that 18-seconds Zimmerman would not have traveled the distance from the truck to the event site behind the building where the event took place. When the timeline of the dispatcher call and the "OK" is synced with the shoot being recorded on the 911 call form the neighbor then Zimmerman would have had about 3 minutes to 3 minutes 30 seconds being between his "OK" and the shot being fired.

There are two possibilities. First, Martin attacked Zimmerman and knocked him unconscious and the dragged him down the street, around the north end of the building, then woke Zimmerman back up to then commence further assault so that Zimmerman would be conscious to fire the shot OR Zimmerman continued to move away from the truck after Martin after the "OK" and arrived at the event site under his own power.

Average walking speed is 4.5 feet/second (double that to a jog at 9 fps).

At walking speed Zimmerman would have covered 79.2 feet | 26.4 yards. We know he did not sprint at full speed because he continued a conversation with the dispatcher and there was some wind noise, but no background noise evidence of heavy breathing or the jerkiness of speech that would result in running. So let’s say he moved at light jog of double normal average speed. That would be 158.4 feet | 52.8 yards.

The distance from the truck area, east along Twin Trees Lane, along the sidewalk to the north of the building, and from the sidewalk "T" south along the sidewalk between the backyards was about 105 yards.


If you would like to research yourself, Google "Average Human Walking Speed". Then using Google Earth, you can use the path function to measure distances between multiple points you designate from start to end. Use "Path" instead of "Distance" because distance from point "A" to "B" would be "as the crow flies" meaning Zimmerman would have had to go through the building. Use the address of "1230 Twin Trees Land, Sanford FL" and it will display the right area. Distance measurements are under the "Tools" menu.





Actually there is. One the distance involved (see above) and two the girlfriends statement that Martin indicated the unknown man was following him and getting closer.


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Hmmm, so there is approximately 3 min's & 30 seconds between the "OK" and the event site, where we have no accounting for or answer for at this time upon where Zimmerman was actually at within the time frame or where Martin was actually at in the time frame correct? All we have is speculation in which as you have already listed, where there are various possibilities in such speculation as is noted by you above, but are there more possibilities maybe?

And that's the issue that BOTH sides don't want to do. Examine multiple scenarios against all the evidence to see how it fits. Commonly someone per-decides that Zimmerman was at fault or that Martin was at fault and then argues based on that emotional position.

Basically we have:

Scenario #1: Zimmerman was out to commit murder, found a subject, and is fully responsible for Murder. (This appears to be the case the State will try to make.)

Scenario #2: Zimmerman acted with no pre-decided intent or disregard for human life but initiated hostilities.

Scenario #3: Zimmerman acted with no pre-decided intent or disregard for human life and Martin initiated hostilities.​

Under scenario #3, Zimmerman would have retained his self defense immunity as it was Martin that initiated hostilities. Under Scenario #2, the state would have to show first that Zimmerman initiated hostilities. Then they would have to show either (a) the extend of those initial hostilities, or (b) that Zimmerman after the initiation of hostilities and at the point he was losing the fight that he was presented with an opportunity to retreat. Even if Zimmerman started the hostilities, it is possible that he retained self defense immunity, but that question would have to be answered first. Scenario #1 appears (from the public evidence) to be a very weak case on the part of the prosecution.

During this time we have Zimmerman on the phone with the dispatcher and Martin on the phone with his girlfriend. Zimmerman's call ends at 19:13:41 or 1911 (depending if you go my dispatcher logs for external phone records). Martins call with the girlfriend ends at approximately 19:16:00 (based on phone records). The shot recorded by the 911 tapes takes place shortly after the girlfriends call ends and police report being on scene at 19:17.


The big unknown right now is exactly what Zimmerman said to the police that night. Remember, at the time it is very, VERY unlikely that he knew Martin was on the phone at the time that the event started and much will depend on his credibility as viewed by the jury. **IF** his story is that he approached Martin while Martin was on the sidewalk between houses and that Martin initiated hostilities - then that actually supports his credibility since Zimmerman's story matches closely that of the girlfriend. On the other hand **IF** Zimmerman's story is that Martin was hiding and jumped him, then (IMHO) that detracts from Zimmerman's credibility because it does not make sense under the known facts (i.e. Martin was carrying on a conversation on the phone at that exact time and it makes no sense for someone to hide to ambush while they are talking on the phone).

Then there are other issues that expert witnesses will need to be brought in to explain. If Zimmerman's story is that Martin was on top of him beating his head against the ground then:

(a) I'm the same height as Martin (71") with an arm length of 22" to the wrist. If Martin his his hands on Zimmerman's head and is flexing his elbows up and down (to create the beating head motion) then chest to chest Zimmerman and Martin will be 12-18" apart with Zimmerman under Martin. The straight front to back trajectory of the bullet through Martin's chest would require that Zimmerman pull the weapon and maneuver it between them pointing it "down" towards his feet (an unnatural wrist movement) to achieve that shot. A more natural shot would have been to remove the gun from the holster, place the weapon against Martin's side and fire. That would have created a side entrance rising into Martin's chest instead of a straight front to back. The second thing is that there was no Gun Shot Residue on either Zimmerman's jacket or shirt from such a close proximity shot. One would think that with them being that close that blow-back would have deposited GSR on Zimmerman and that gravity would have cause some material to fall down (since Zimmerman was under Martin).

That actually gives raise to possible 4th and 5th scenarios. That being in those critical couple of seconds before the shot was fired that, Zimmerman twisted and pushed Martin off and either: (a) pulled his weapon and fired, with arm extended away from his body into the center of Martins chest (No GSR, Straight Trajectory) with no delay even with separation (about 2 feet, arms length), **OR** (b) same thing but this time Martin attempted to re-engage Zimmerman resulting in Zimmerman firing his weapon.


It will be interesting to see how Zimmerman's accounts from that night and the video of his reenactment the next morning compare with facts that can be established and the forensic evidence.



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A very indebt easy to understand analysis world, and yes it will be interesting to see how it all comes out, especially with the experts who will defintely unravel the mystery of it all hopefully...Good Job !

 

[paperview]

Hmmm, so there is approximately 3 min's & 30 seconds between the "OK" and the event site, where we have no accounting for or answer for at this time upon where Zimmerman was actually at within the time frame or where Martin was actually at in the time frame correct? All we have is speculation in which as you have already listed, where there are various possibilities in such speculation as is noted by you above, but are there more possibilities maybe?

Wow. You just babbled on about how the evidence this and that, then when it's illustrated to you what the evidence does indeed support the position opposite yours, you want to say that now there's no evidence either way. *shakes head*

Am I incorrect, Inthemiddle, of my recollection that you said you were a Judge?

Just wondering.

 

[Ariux]

Even if Zimmerman started the hostilities, it is possible that he retained self defense immunity,

Not in this case.

The big unknown right now is exactly what Zimmerman said to the police that night.

The idiot Jew-Hispanic couldn't keep his mouth shut.

**IF** his story is that he approached Martin while Martin was on the sidewalk between houses and that Martin initiated hostilities - then that actually supports his credibility since Zimmerman's story matches closely that of the girlfriend. On the other hand **IF** Zimmerman's story is that Martin was hiding and jumped him, then (IMHO) that detracts from Zimmerman's credibility because it does not make sense under the known facts (i.e. Martin was carrying on a conversation on the phone at that exact time and it makes no sense for someone to hide to ambush while they are talking on the phone).

Forget his story? What's your story? Were you shot in the head and had half your brains blown out?

You think Martin's best Defense is to claim he approached Travyon? When half of your brains were blown out, you must have filled the cavity with shit, because that's a shitty idea.

The ho on the phone has no credibility. It doesn't matter what she said. She's 100% biased in favor of Trayvon. She refused to talk to police, until weeks later through a lawyer. She wasn't there. She could make up anything she wants, after knowing much of the evidence, and she would certainly leave out any facts that incriminates Trayvon. Yet, even her account makes it sound like Travon approached Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's credibility is not at stake in any regard to what the ho on the phone claims.

The straight front to back trajectory of the bullet through Martin's chest would require that Zimmerman pull the weapon and maneuver it between them pointing it "down" towards his feet (an unnatural wrist movement) to achieve that shot. A more natural shot would have been to remove the gun from the holster, place the weapon against Martin's side and fire. That would have created a side entrance rising into Martin's chest instead of a straight front to back.

You're stupid. Leave the speculation up to people who aren't stupid.

If there were a struggle, Zimmerman didn't have much luxury of controlling his movement sin what you imagine are the most natural way. It could be that Trayvon was about to get shot in the side, at an upward angle, but Trayvon grabbed the gun with the hand on the opposite side, and while trying to grab away the gun, pulled it to where Travyon was shot.

Or, maybe Zimmerman wasn't considering your idea about what is natural and instead deliberately shot Trayvon straight in the heart.

It will be interesting to see how Zimmerman's accounts from that night and the video of his reenactment the next morning compare with facts that can be established and the forensic evidence.

Stupid Jew-Hispanic, couldn't keep his mouth shut. This point is worth repeating.

 

[paperview]

And the slimy racist, sexist, neanderthal weighs in once again...

 

[WorldWatcher]

And the slimy racist, sexist, neanderthal weighs in once again...

Some peoples posts make you want to wash you eyes out with dish-washing detergent, it's less painful then reading their writings which show what exists in their heads.


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[Ariux]

And the slimy racist, sexist, neanderthal weighs in once again...

Neanderthals are known for their exceptionally large brains, larger than average human brains.

Afros are known for their exceptionally small brains, smaller than average human brains.

An insult would be to say that shit-for-brains Afro weighs in once again. That wouldn't be any more racist than what you said. But, it would be insulting.

 

[Liability]

And the slimy racist, sexist, neanderthal weighs in once again...

Neanderthals are known for their exceptionally large brains, larger than average human brains.

Afros are known for their exceptionally small brains, smaller than average human brains.

An insult would be to say that shit-for-brains Afro weighs in once again. That wouldn't be any more racist than what you said. But, it would be insulting.

Neanderthals are not around anymore. If you knew thing one about brain science even a scum-sucking asshole like you would know that brain size does not directly correspond to intelligence.

To compare you to Neanderthals is insulting. To the late Neanderthals.

 

[Ravi]

And the slimy racist, sexist, neanderthal weighs in once again...

Neanderthals are known for their exceptionally large brains, larger than average human brains.

Afros are known for their exceptionally small brains, smaller than average human brains.

An insult would be to say that shit-for-brains Afro weighs in once again. That wouldn't be any more racist than what you said. But, it would be insulting.

Neanderthals are not around anymore. If you knew thing one about brain science even a scum-sucking asshole like you would know that brain size does not directly correspond to intelligence.

To compare you to Neanderthals is insulting. To the late Neanderthals.

LOL! Not to mention that they were none too bright, apparently.

 

[paperview]

BREAKING NEWS: !!

Hollllllllllllllllllllllllllly Molllllllllllllllllllie.

Hold onto yer hats fellers:
Shellie's been ARRESTED!

BREAKING: Shellie Zimmerman, wife of #GeorgeZimmerman, arrested

https://twitter.com/#!/JeffWeinerOS

 

[paperview]

And there she is:

The lying Ms. Zimmerman! In full color MUG SHOT!

heh.

Mugshot: Shellie Zimmerman, wife of #GeorgeZimmerman, arrested #TrayvonMartin