George Zimmerman arrested in Florida

[Papageorgio]

I never gave him credit, I never supported Zimmerman. I still maintain that two very aggressive adults confronted each other, neither had the brains or character to back down, there was a fight and Martin was shot.

It was unfortunate, I believe as does the evidence that Zimmerman was not guilty.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Zimmerman has now further proven he is not that smart.

 

[Papageorgio]

Is there any evidence that the girl backed down instead of making her story up?

There's two things that stand out.

1 - Her actions and behavior are far more consistent with an abused partner than they are with a malicious liar.

2 - Her story was consistent with a pattern of abusive and hostile behavior that has been attributable to George Zimmerman from multiple sources.

He's innocent of that crime because he was never convicted of it.

Just like OJ, right? Just because he successfully thwarted a conviction in court does not mean that he was innocent. It just means that the government cannot punish him. People get away with all kinds of things that they're guilty of.

OJ was innocent of murdering Nicole Simpson. That's the purpose of the criminal justice system.

I'd like to see the "actions and behavior" that are "consistent with an abused partner." Go ahead, list them.

OJ was found not guilty, he was not found innocent. His innocence was not questioned. The jury had a choice of guilty or not guilty. The jury said not guilty, using reasonable doubt. The civil trial found OJ guilty by a preponderance of the evidence.

 

[asterism]

So you can't back up your claim either?

You're the one who said that she was making things up. That claim needs to be backed up. People who make things up continue to make them up, continually and constantly. There's no demonstrated history of that with this woman. She has come forward now with a second accusation over the time span of a year or so. Comparatively infrequent, but urgent attempts to seek help, followed by withdraw and "repentance" in order to preserve the relationship (typically hoping that he will "change") is consistent with a person in an abusive relationship, not a person who is making things up for attention or out of malice.

I never made that claim, I asked a question. That said, she recanted her initial complaints that got him arrested when an actual investigation happened.

She even admits she "may have misspoken."

 

[asterism]

Is there any evidence that the girl backed down instead of making her story up?

There's two things that stand out.

1 - Her actions and behavior are far more consistent with an abused partner than they are with a malicious liar.

2 - Her story was consistent with a pattern of abusive and hostile behavior that has been attributable to George Zimmerman from multiple sources.

He's innocent of that crime because he was never convicted of it.

Just like OJ, right? Just because he successfully thwarted a conviction in court does not mean that he was innocent. It just means that the government cannot punish him. People get away with all kinds of things that they're guilty of.

OJ was innocent of murdering Nicole Simpson. That's the purpose of the criminal justice system.

I'd like to see the "actions and behavior" that are "consistent with an abused partner." Go ahead, list them.

OJ was found not guilty, he was not found innocent. His innocence was not questioned. The jury had a choice of guilty or not guilty. The jury said not guilty, using reasonable doubt. The civil trial found OJ guilty by a preponderance of the evidence.

Anyone accused but not convicted of a crime is innocent of that crime. The civil trial found OJ liable for the wrongful death.

 

[RKMBrown]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

:tsk:

Where was the trial?

No trial needed.

Thug:

Mr. Martin wrote that he had been suspended from school for cutting classes. In the messages, he said his mother had “kicked” him out of the house and told him to move in with his father. In one message, Mr. Martin described himself as “gangsta.” Other text messages refer to his involvement in fights and reveal an interest in guns, including an exchange about possibly buying one, referring to it as a .380.

In one text, he riffed on his suspension shortly before he was killed on Feb. 26. Mr. Martin was suspended for 10 days after school officials found in his backpack a baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us/zimmermans-lawyers-release-text-messages-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thug:

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Trayvon Martin case He was suspended three times and caught with burglary tool Daily Mail Online

Thug:

The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant.

George Zimmerman attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin s cellphone News - Home

The burglary tool was a screw-diver. So now you morons are getting your rocks off by stalking and killing kids who are caught at school with a screw-diver?

 

[PredFan]

Reagan was a hero, Zimmerman only insofar as it causes progressive butthurt. Still, Reagan was better. No one will be whining about Zimmerman two decades after he dies.

If Reagan was such a hero, why did they have to rewrite his history?

How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan - Salon.com

Ha ha, Salon.com? You are an idiot.

Way more credible than Faux News.

Idiot.

No need to sign your posts.

Yeah Ravi that joke's old. And it was only clever the first time if you're 12 years old.

 

[SwimExpert]

I never made that claim, I asked a question. That said, she recanted her initial complaints that got him arrested when an actual investigation happened.

She even admits she "may have misspoken."

Indeed, more evidence of an abused woman. She called 911 for a reason. She was very clearly in fear for her safety. She very clearly stated at the time that he had pointed a gun in her face and broke several of her things.

By recanting she went out of her way to protect him, to the point of risking significant consequences for herself. It would have been enough to simply say that she did not want to proceed further and wanted to try to repair their relationship privately. Instead she opened herself up to possible consequences for making a false report. Doing that did not serve any purpose, other than to protect an abuser and win back his affection.

Was she lying when she called 911? That is a very difficult claim to make. Why would she lie about suchs thing in the first place? You have to invent a completely new narrative that cannot be substantiated with any other external facts, in order to maintain a claim that she was lying in the first place.

On the other hand, trying to reconcile a subsequent recantation can be reconciled with external facts. In this case, such behavior is perfectly consistent with the known patterns and behaviors of people who are involved in abusive relationships. She is involved in a man who is demonstrably narcissistic. One of the primary indicators of an abusive relationship is when a person's sense of reality is assaulted by the abuser (George's "She's just gone crazy" statement to police). She protects his bad behavior and accepts responsibility for "misunderstanding" his behavior, or for "deserving" his behavior. Her own emotions are not recognized by her partner (Again, George's "She's just gone crazy" statement to police). Abusers often take on a "Jekyll and Hyde" persona (Zimmerman's demonstrated road rage and aggression toward ex-wife vs. public persona of being overly calm and superficially submissive). They also will often use violence towards possessions as a mode of intimidation (Samantha never recanted that Zimmerman broke her sunglasses or table), and may attempt to take ownership of the victim's possessions (Zimmerman forced Samantha out of her own house, and this again was not part of her recantation).

 

[PredFan]

Reagan was a hero, Zimmerman only insofar as it causes progressive butthurt. Still, Reagan was better. No one will be whining about Zimmerman two decades after he dies.

If Reagan was such a hero, why did they have to rewrite his history?

How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan - Salon.com

Ha ha, Salon.com? You are an idiot.

Way more credible than Faux News.

Idiot.

IOW, you can't refute her post.

Predictable as always.

I don't have to. No one believes it except you two. You're both idiots.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

:tsk:

Where was the trial?

No trial needed.

Thug:

Mr. Martin wrote that he had been suspended from school for cutting classes. In the messages, he said his mother had “kicked” him out of the house and told him to move in with his father. In one message, Mr. Martin described himself as “gangsta.” Other text messages refer to his involvement in fights and reveal an interest in guns, including an exchange about possibly buying one, referring to it as a .380.

In one text, he riffed on his suspension shortly before he was killed on Feb. 26. Mr. Martin was suspended for 10 days after school officials found in his backpack a baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us/zimmermans-lawyers-release-text-messages-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thug:

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Trayvon Martin case He was suspended three times and caught with burglary tool Daily Mail Online

Thug:

The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant.

George Zimmerman attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin s cellphone News - Home

The burglary tool was a screw-diver. So now you morons are getting your rocks off by stalking and killing kids who are caught at school with a screw-diver?

Who are you and what did you do with the real RKMBrown ?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If Reagan was such a hero, why did they have to rewrite his history?

How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan - Salon.com

Ha ha, Salon.com? You are an idiot.

Way more credible than Faux News.

Idiot.

IOW, you can't refute her post.

Predictable as always.

I don't have to. No one believes it except you two. You're both idiots.

IOW, you still can't refute her post.

 

[PredFan]

Ha ha, Salon.com? You are an idiot.

Way more credible than Faux News.

Idiot.

IOW, you can't refute her post.

Predictable as always.

I don't have to. No one believes it except you two. You're both idiots.

IOW, you still can't refute her post.

Go outside and play little girl. Let the adults talk.

 

[SwimExpert]

No trial needed.

I see. So when it's a black teenage, no trial is needed. But if it's a white man, we can't say he's guilty until after a conviction in a court of law.

Thank goodness we're not using double standards.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Way more credible than Faux News.

Idiot.

IOW, you can't refute her post.

Predictable as always.

I don't have to. No one believes it except you two. You're both idiots.

IOW, you still can't refute her post.

Go outside and play little girl. Let the adults talk.

IOW, you still can't refute her post.

 

[RKMBrown]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

:tsk:

Where was the trial?

No trial needed.

Thug:

Mr. Martin wrote that he had been suspended from school for cutting classes. In the messages, he said his mother had “kicked” him out of the house and told him to move in with his father. In one message, Mr. Martin described himself as “gangsta.” Other text messages refer to his involvement in fights and reveal an interest in guns, including an exchange about possibly buying one, referring to it as a .380.

In one text, he riffed on his suspension shortly before he was killed on Feb. 26. Mr. Martin was suspended for 10 days after school officials found in his backpack a baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us/zimmermans-lawyers-release-text-messages-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thug:

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Trayvon Martin case He was suspended three times and caught with burglary tool Daily Mail Online

Thug:

The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant.

George Zimmerman attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin s cellphone News - Home

The burglary tool was a screw-diver. So now you morons are getting your rocks off by stalking and killing kids who are caught at school with a screw-diver?

Who are you and what did you do with the real RKMBrown ?

Just because we disagree on most topics, does not mean we have to disagree on all topics.

Tray was no saint, but he did not deserve to be killed like a dog by this punk zimmerman. They got into a fist fight... zimmerman is a wimp... Zimmerman waited for the boy to let up.. then killed the boy in cold blood. The prosecutor clearly screwed the case on purpose by shooting for a higher crime than was provable.

 

[asterism]

I never made that claim, I asked a question. That said, she recanted her initial complaints that got him arrested when an actual investigation happened.

She even admits she "may have misspoken."

Indeed, more evidence of an abused woman. She called 911 for a reason. She was very clearly in fear for her safety. She very clearly stated at the time that he had pointed a gun in her face and broke several of her things.

By recanting she went out of her way to protect him, to the point of risking significant consequences for herself. It would have been enough to simply say that she did not want to proceed further and wanted to try to repair their relationship privately. Instead she opened herself up to possible consequences for making a false report. Doing that did not serve any purpose, other than to protect an abuser and win back his affection.

Was she lying when she called 911? That is a very difficult claim to make. Why would she lie about suchs thing in the first place? You have to invent a completely new narrative that cannot be substantiated with any other external facts, in order to maintain a claim that she was lying in the first place.

On the other hand, trying to reconcile a subsequent recantation can be reconciled with external facts. In this case, such behavior is perfectly consistent with the known patterns and behaviors of people who are involved in abusive relationships. She is involved in a man who is demonstrably narcissistic. One of the primary indicators of an abusive relationship is when a person's sense of reality is assaulted by the abuser (George's "She's just gone crazy" statement to police). She protects his bad behavior and accepts responsibility for "misunderstanding" his behavior, or for "deserving" his behavior. Her own emotions are not recognized by her partner (Again, George's "She's just gone crazy" statement to police). Abusers often take on a "Jekyll and Hyde" persona (Zimmerman's demonstrated road rage and aggression toward ex-wife vs. public persona of being overly calm and superficially submissive). They also will often use violence towards possessions as a mode of intimidation (Samantha never recanted that Zimmerman broke her sunglasses or table), and may attempt to take ownership of the victim's possessions (Zimmerman forced Samantha out of her own house, and this again was not part of her recantation).

It's not a difficult claim to make. She admits her statements on the 911 call to be false. So either she is lying in her affidavit or she's lying in her 911 call.

There is nothing "clear" there except that this woman had an issue with the truth.

 

[asterism]

No trial needed.

I see. So when it's a black teenage, no trial is needed. But if it's a white man, we can't say he's guilty until after a conviction in a court of law.

Thank goodness we're not using double standards.

No trial needed to call someone a thug, idiot.

 

[asterism]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

:tsk:

Where was the trial?

No trial needed.

Thug:

Mr. Martin wrote that he had been suspended from school for cutting classes. In the messages, he said his mother had “kicked” him out of the house and told him to move in with his father. In one message, Mr. Martin described himself as “gangsta.” Other text messages refer to his involvement in fights and reveal an interest in guns, including an exchange about possibly buying one, referring to it as a .380.

In one text, he riffed on his suspension shortly before he was killed on Feb. 26. Mr. Martin was suspended for 10 days after school officials found in his backpack a baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us/zimmermans-lawyers-release-text-messages-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thug:

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Trayvon Martin case He was suspended three times and caught with burglary tool Daily Mail Online

Thug:

The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant.

George Zimmerman attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin s cellphone News - Home

The burglary tool was a screw-diver. So now you morons are getting your rocks off by stalking and killing kids who are caught at school with a screw-diver?

Huh? You need to find where I said anything close to that accusation. Go find me one post in support of Zimmerman. I've always said that he should have been charged and convicted of manslaughter.

 

[RKMBrown]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

:tsk:

Where was the trial?

No trial needed.

Thug:

Mr. Martin wrote that he had been suspended from school for cutting classes. In the messages, he said his mother had “kicked” him out of the house and told him to move in with his father. In one message, Mr. Martin described himself as “gangsta.” Other text messages refer to his involvement in fights and reveal an interest in guns, including an exchange about possibly buying one, referring to it as a .380.

In one text, he riffed on his suspension shortly before he was killed on Feb. 26. Mr. Martin was suspended for 10 days after school officials found in his backpack a baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us/zimmermans-lawyers-release-text-messages-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thug:

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Trayvon Martin case He was suspended three times and caught with burglary tool Daily Mail Online

Thug:

The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant.

George Zimmerman attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin s cellphone News - Home

The burglary tool was a screw-diver. So now you morons are getting your rocks off by stalking and killing kids who are caught at school with a screw-diver?

Huh? You need to find where I said anything close to that accusation. Go find me one post in support of Zimmerman. I've always said that he should have been charged and convicted of manslaughter.

Then why did you both to bring up the completely irrelevant stuff about pot and the screw diver? But yeah he should have been charged and convicted of manslaughter.

 

[Dot Com]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

What crime was he in the process of committing when Zimmerman (the guy who the PG Police turned away as a potential cadet) gunned him down shit stain asterism

 

[asterism]

Trayvon Martin was a thug.

:tsk:

Where was the trial?

No trial needed.

Thug:

Mr. Martin wrote that he had been suspended from school for cutting classes. In the messages, he said his mother had “kicked” him out of the house and told him to move in with his father. In one message, Mr. Martin described himself as “gangsta.” Other text messages refer to his involvement in fights and reveal an interest in guns, including an exchange about possibly buying one, referring to it as a .380.

In one text, he riffed on his suspension shortly before he was killed on Feb. 26. Mr. Martin was suspended for 10 days after school officials found in his backpack a baggie that contained traces of marijuana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us/zimmermans-lawyers-release-text-messages-of-trayvon-martin.html

Thug:

Trayvon suspended THREE times for 'drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool' and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it's all a smear

• The teen was suspended from school three times
• He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
• Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
• Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

Trayvon Martin case He was suspended three times and caught with burglary tool Daily Mail Online

Thug:

The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant.

George Zimmerman attorneys release pictures from Trayvon Martin s cellphone News - Home

The burglary tool was a screw-diver. So now you morons are getting your rocks off by stalking and killing kids who are caught at school with a screw-diver?

Who are you and what did you do with the real RKMBrown ?

Just because we disagree on most topics, does not mean we have to disagree on all topics.

Tray was no saint, but he did not deserve to be killed like a dog by this punk zimmerman. They got into a fist fight... zimmerman is a wimp... Zimmerman waited for the boy to let up.. then killed the boy in cold blood. The prosecutor clearly screwed the case on purpose by shooting for a higher crime than was provable.

Oh look, I said the same thing:

I love it, Zimmerman is guilty of any crime in the lefts eyes, because he did the world a favor by eliminating a thug.

So Trayvon Martin was a thug? I must have missed the trial....

Trayvon Martin was a thug. He didn't deserve to die by the hands of Zimmerman in my opinion, but he was most definitely a thug. His own mother kicked him out of her house, he was a deplorable teen with a penchant for drugs and violence.

Here too:

OJ was innocent of murdering Nicole Simpson.

But if he had killed her, this is how he would have done it....

If I Did It - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That's the purpose of the criminal justice system.

No, the purpose of the justice system is to prevent the government from exercising unchecked power over the people. It does not have a magical button that creates truth.

I'd like to see the "actions and behavior" that are "consistent with an abused partner." Go ahead, list them.

Start dating George Zimmerman, then look in the mirror six months from now.

So you can't back up your claim either? This is funny! I'm not even supporting this idiot (never have) and have always maintained that he was wrong and should be in jail. But the dimestore pseudo-psychobabble is just too entertaining.

The obsession with Zimmerman is curious.

and here:

Let's let the facts come out shall we? Last time they jumped the gun and tried to conflict this man who was innocent.

That his girlfriend previously backed down like a whipped dog under Stockholm Syndrome does not mean he was innocent.

Is there any evidence that the girl backed down instead of making her story up? He's innocent of that crime because he was never convicted of it.

People (not necessarily you) are reading a whole lot into a situation where the facts are few and there obviously wasn't a pressing need to involve law enforcement. They are putting a whole lot of faith into the genius capabilities of the village idiot who shot a thug.

The entire reason he isn't in jail is because of this mentality. If I bring a gun to a potentially dangerous situation, I'm culpable to that extent. It's not murder, but it's probably manslaughter if the facts show that I instigated the confrontation and was more likely to be an aggressor because I was armed - as opposed to being armed for some other reason (e.g. I'm always armed or I was coming back from the range or I had some other concern that caused me to load my weapon).

If I always have my revolver in my console and I happen to drive by someone getting mugged on the way home from work I'm not held to a higher standard if my intervention then results in an unfortunate mistake (like shooting an unarmed teenager who had a lead pipe but it looked to others like he was attacking). I might not be held to a higher standard for pursuing someone that looks like the mugger who then attacks me. However, I would ALWAYS be held to a higher standard if I made a deliberate act to seek out a mugger (or other potentially hostile situation) and specifically carried my loaded firearm for that scenario.

The problem is that it's still not murder, but easily it's manslaughter and that's what the idiot State's Attorney should have charged Zimmerman with. The howling monkeys on the left weren't going to accept that charge so the political spin was on and now he's a free man.

This latest encounter is strange. He threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend and she didn't call the police right then? She didn't call the police when she left and she was safe? She didn't call the police at all? Very very sketchy case right there.

way back in June 2013 here:

I think it is wrong to harm an innocent child.

I agree. If Zimmerman can't prove his affirmative defense he needs to go to jail for Manslaughter.