Asclepias
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You dont define who has a right to grieve. Youre a nobody white boy.
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George Floyd: Chauvin Now to be charged with 2nd Degree Murder, Others to Be Charged
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Well, for all you guys who are wondering why the other three cops are being charged, it's simple..............just watch the video.
There's the dude being charged with second degree murder, who kept his knee on Floyd's neck.
Then, we have another officer that is kneeling on his lower back. There is a third officer holding down his legs.
And finally, there was the 4th officer who stood by and just watched. All 3 could have stopped the first one, but they didn't. That is why they are being charged as accessories.
And, for you guys that think this wasn't a big deal. Quick question, have you ever had someone kneel on your neck? How about having someone kneel on the small of your back? Both of those moves seriously restricted how much air he could take in. The dude on the small of his back would have made it very hard for his diaphragm to expand enough to sufficiently inflate his lungs. The dude on his neck was not only restricting blood flow to his brain, but he also was restricting his air intake quite a bit. Ever been at the bottom of a dogpile? It can be hard to breathe, depending on where the people on top of you are.
There's the dude being charged with second degree murder, who kept his knee on Floyd's neck.
Then, we have another officer that is kneeling on his lower back. There is a third officer holding down his legs.
And finally, there was the 4th officer who stood by and just watched. All 3 could have stopped the first one, but they didn't. That is why they are being charged as accessories.
And, for you guys that think this wasn't a big deal. Quick question, have you ever had someone kneel on your neck? How about having someone kneel on the small of your back? Both of those moves seriously restricted how much air he could take in. The dude on the small of his back would have made it very hard for his diaphragm to expand enough to sufficiently inflate his lungs. The dude on his neck was not only restricting blood flow to his brain, but he also was restricting his air intake quite a bit. Ever been at the bottom of a dogpile? It can be hard to breathe, depending on where the people on top of you are.
Bush92
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Of course you can. These people are not mourning they are Looters and law breakers. You called me a "white boy?" That's something coming from an Alabama Blue Gummer...or are you a High Yeller?You dont define who has a right to grieve. Youre a nobody white boy.Only the Floyd family had a right to grieve. These so called "protesters" are wolves in sheep's clothing wanting to commit crimes. Scum of the earth.Anger stage of grief. Are you not familiar with the stages?Why don't the jailers just release these officers pending their trial- push them right out the front door of the jail with the angry mob out in front?
Would that please the rioters?
I doubt it, because I doubt the rioters really care about George Floyd at all. I think they just want to act out.
Oh boy, imagine if President Trump is re-elected and the not guilty verdicts come in on the same day.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...www.yahoo.com
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We have yet to see the reason why Floyd was arrested. I want toxicology report that shows he was on PCP or some other drugs.They sat on him part of the time. They were complicit when they didn’t tell Chauvin enough. I also am afraid of what some of the footage shows inside the car. Not Floyd fighting.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...
I can understand the upgrade to Murder in the second degree, but charge the others who didn't do the killing?
I am not sure I can accept the new charges, maybe some one can explain it to me.....
Owner Of Cup Foods, Where Police First Encountered George Floyd, Calls For Justice
The owner of the south Minneapolis convenient store where police first made contact with George Floyd is speaking out.
minnesota.cbslocal.com
He says officers were called because of a counterfeit 20 dollar bill Floyd used to buy a pack of cigarettes.
Owner Mahmod Abumayaleh says he is with community in wanting justice for the Floyd family.
For 31 years, Cup Foods has been a part of this South Minneapolis community.
“We don’t just work in the community that is our community we know the community it’s a vibe that is unmatched to any other community it’s the best thing to happen to our family,” said Abumayyaleh.
The family owned business has come under fire, after a phone call to police about the passing of a counterfeit 20 dollar bill led to 46 year-old African-American man George Floyd begging a Minneapolis police officer for his life.
“I was no there. The staff that called police followed protocol when he identified the bill was fake. The patron was out of the establishment when the police arrived, he was outside of the establishment which normally never takes place why he was still there were not sure,” Abumayyaleh said.
RELATED: City Of Minneapolis Releases Transcript Of 911 Call On George Floyd
Owner Mahmoud Abumayyaleh says what happened on the street outside his establishment should never have ended with a man dying.
“Most of the times when patrons give us a counterfeit bill they don’t even know its fake so when the police are called there is no crime being committed just wat to know where it came from and that’s usually what takes place this was a very circumstantial event that ended in a tragedy and unfortunately we are taking a lot of animosity,” he said.
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One option is to argue that what he was doing to Floyd was felony assault. Intent is not needed, then.VERY difficult to prove intent here.
I wonder why they didn't include that in the charges.
Ellison and others are just grand standing. Felony assault and third degree murder would have been a LOT easier to get a conviction on and resulted in fundamentally the same sentence as a second degree murder charge would if you get a conviction, but no Ellison wanted to tell people "look at me I'm tough on cops "
This cop may end up walking when this is all said and done.
Cecilie1200
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Only the Floyd family had a right to grieve. These so called "protesters" are wolves in sheep's clothing wanting to commit crimes. Scum of the earth.Anger stage of grief. Are you not familiar with the stages?Why don't the jailers just release these officers pending their trial- push them right out the front door of the jail with the angry mob out in front?
Would that please the rioters?
I doubt it, because I doubt the rioters really care about George Floyd at all. I think they just want to act out.
No, that's not fair. It's as incorrect to conflate protesters with rioters/looters as it is to conflate one bad cop with all cops in general. There were - and I believe may still be - people who were genuinely just trying to exercise their First Amendment rights to protest and were not trying to break laws or hurt anyone in doing so. Sadly, they were drowned out in short order by people who wanted to use their protest to further their own selfish aims of causing destruction, stealing, and generally acting like savage animals.
Cecilie1200
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We have yet to see the reason why Floyd was arrested. I want toxicology report that shows he was on PCP or some other drugs.They sat on him part of the time. They were complicit when they didn’t tell Chauvin enough. I also am afraid of what some of the footage shows inside the car. Not Floyd fighting.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...
I can understand the upgrade to Murder in the second degree, but charge the others who didn't do the killing?
I am not sure I can accept the new charges, maybe some one can explain it to me.....MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – The owner of the south Minneapolis convenient store where police first made contact with George Floyd is speaking out.Owner Of Cup Foods, Where Police First Encountered George Floyd, Calls For Justice
The owner of the south Minneapolis convenient store where police first made contact with George Floyd is speaking out.
He says officers were called because of a counterfeit 20 dollar bill Floyd used to buy a pack of cigarettes.
Owner Mahmod Abumayaleh says he is with community in wanting justice for the Floyd family.
For 31 years, Cup Foods has been a part of this South Minneapolis community.
“We don’t just work in the community that is our community we know the community it’s a vibe that is unmatched to any other community it’s the best thing to happen to our family,” said Abumayyaleh.
The family owned business has come under fire, after a phone call to police about the passing of a counterfeit 20 dollar bill led to 46 year-old African-American man George Floyd begging a Minneapolis police officer for his life.
“I was no there. The staff that called police followed protocol when he identified the bill was fake. The patron was out of the establishment when the police arrived, he was outside of the establishment which normally never takes place why he was still there were not sure,” Abumayyaleh said.
RELATED: City Of Minneapolis Releases Transcript Of 911 Call On George Floyd
Owner Mahmoud Abumayyaleh says what happened on the street outside his establishment should never have ended with a man dying.
“Most of the times when patrons give us a counterfeit bill they don’t even know its fake so when the police are called there is no crime being committed just wat to know where it came from and that’s usually what takes place this was a very circumstantial event that ended in a tragedy and unfortunately we are taking a lot of animosity,” he said.
Why in the Hell would anyone be subjecting this business to animosity? What are they supposed to do when they receive a counterfeit bill, ignore it?
Cecilie1200
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One option is to argue that what he was doing to Floyd was felony assault. Intent is not needed, then.VERY difficult to prove intent here.
I wonder why they didn't include that in the charges.
Ellison and others are just grand standing. Felony assault and third degree murder would have been a LOT easier to get a conviction on and resulted in fundamentally the same sentence as a second degree murder charge would if you get a conviction, but no Ellison wanted to tell people "look at me I'm tough on cops "
This cop may end up walking when this is all said and done.
How do you figure that? What POSSIBLE chance do you see for a jury to watch that video and go, "Meh, no big deal"?
OH good......now we can all go home and maintain safe socialist-distancing.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...
No more looting or riots
Cecilie1200
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OH good......now we can all go home and maintain safe socialist-distancing.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...
No more looting or riots
Yeah, because all of this actually had something to do with the facts on the ground. Pffft.
Fort Fun Indiana
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Because they have more serious felonies charged, i would assume. 3 as of now.I wonder why they didn't include that in the charges
But he is still charged with 3rd degree murder. So, the jury can acquit on murder 2 and convict on murder 3.Ellison and others are just grand standing. Felony assault and third degree murder would have been a LOT easier to get a conviction on and resulted in fundamentally the same sentence as a second degree murder charge would if you get a conviction, but no Ellison wanted to tell people "look at me I'm tough on cops "
Fort Fun Indiana
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You could go find the business owner's exact words on what he asks his employees to do.What are they supposed to do when they receive a counterfeit bill, ignore it?
Cecilie1200
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You could go find the business owner's exact words on what he asks his employees to do.What are they supposed to do when they receive a counterfeit bill, ignore it?
I did, and that's what he said: policy is to call the police, which is why they called the police.
Asclepias
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My bad. I should have called you a cave chimp. Not all white people are as genetically flawed as you are.Of course you can. These people are not mourning they are Looters and law breakers. You called me a "white boy?" That's something coming from an Alabama Blue Gummer...or are you a High Yeller?You dont define who has a right to grieve. Youre a nobody white boy.Only the Floyd family had a right to grieve. These so called "protesters" are wolves in sheep's clothing wanting to commit crimes. Scum of the earth.Anger stage of grief. Are you not familiar with the stages?Why don't the jailers just release these officers pending their trial- push them right out the front door of the jail with the angry mob out in front?
Would that please the rioters?
I doubt it, because I doubt the rioters really care about George Floyd at all. I think they just want to act out.
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Its not up to you to accept. If you cant figure out the other two participated then you need more help than you can get on this board.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...
I can understand the upgrade to Murder in the second degree, but charge the others who didn't do the killing?
I am not sure I can accept the new charges, maybe some one can explain it to me.....
You didn't try to answer my request for an explanation, there were THREE other cops there.
"Three additional Minneapolis police officers will been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, according to the Star Tribune.
The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. According to the paper, Attorney General Keith Ellison will announce that the officers are being charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder."
Ooops!
Two of those officers are Asian. Is this evidence of systemic Asian racism in America against black people?
Skin color is irrelevant, it is how they handled Floyd is the issue.
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This move by Keith Ellison will help to ensure continued unrest. The mobs will expect more, and when they don't get it, they will burn and loot more.
Although, the reality is that the move is pointless. 3rd Degree is 25 years, 2nd Degree is 40 years. If he were to be convicted, I can't see him lasting anywhere close to finishing his term. BTW, this shows Ellison's racism- the black cop in Minnesota only got 12 years for shooting a broad, and that victim wasn't a bad actor.
Ironic the man behind justice for knee on the neck has no problem dragging women by their ankles like a caveman.
Cecilie1200
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Its not up to you to accept. If you cant figure out the other two participated then you need more help than you can get on this board.Breaking news
Three More Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death
Three additional Minneapolis police officers have been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, which sparked protests against police violence across the country. The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison...
I can understand the upgrade to Murder in the second degree, but charge the others who didn't do the killing?
I am not sure I can accept the new charges, maybe some one can explain it to me.....
You didn't try to answer my request for an explanation, there were THREE other cops there.
"Three additional Minneapolis police officers will been charged in connection with the May 25 death of George Floyd, according to the Star Tribune.
The officers are Tou Thao, Thomas Lane, and J. Alexander Kueng. According to the paper, Attorney General Keith Ellison will announce that the officers are being charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder."
Ooops!
Two of those officers are Asian. Is this evidence of systemic Asian racism in America against black people?
Skin color is irrelevant, it is how they handled Floyd is the issue.
Yes, thank you, I know. I was being sarcastic.
He can't be convicted of 2nd degree, because he didn't show up with the intent of committing another crime....That's what 2nd degree murder is.
As big of a total douchebag that Ellison is, he can't be this stupid.
It only takes a minute beforehand for premeditation to occur. Chauvin obviously thought about murder a lot during those 8 minutes on his neck.
What is premeditated and deliberate conduct?
A Criminal Defense article by Leigh Segars.
www.nolo.com
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