Genetic Racial Identification--Any Deniers Here?

[Valerie]

This issue goes back the old correlation vs causation question.

Do black people make IanC racist?

There does seem to be a correlation.

 

[manifold]

Interesting since geneticists have traced ALL of mankinds roots back to a small group in Africa.

Interesting to the extent that it proves what ignorant assclowns evolution deniers really are.

But it adds little or nothing to this particular discussion.

 

[uscitizen]

Interesting since geneticists have traced ALL of mankinds roots back to a small group in Africa.

Interesting to the extent that it proves what ignorant assclowns evolution deniers really are.

But it adds little or nothing to this particular discussion.

Adds nothing? What about the continuing evoloution of each "race"?

White european americans have changed a lot in just the past 100 years.
Look at some of those old suits of armor. Could an average person fit in one now?

in time all will blend in genetics and at that time people will start being prejudiced based on nose or ear size, etc.
People are by and large stupit and easially used by those in power.

 

[manifold]

Interesting since geneticists have traced ALL of mankinds roots back to a small group in Africa.

Interesting to the extent that it proves what ignorant assclowns evolution deniers really are.

But it adds little or nothing to this particular discussion.

Adds nothing? What about the continuing evoloution of each "race"?

White european americans have changed a lot in just the past 100 years.
Look at some of those old suits of armor. Could an average person fit in one now?

in time all will blend in genetics and at that time people will start being prejudiced based on nose or ear size, etc.
People are by and large stupit and easially used by those in power.

When you put it that way, you are right.

I stand corrected.

 

[Charles Stucker]

What about the continuing evoloution of each "race"?

White european americans have changed a lot in just the past 100 years.
Look at some of those old suits of armor. Could an average person fit in one now?

in time all will blend in genetics and at that time people will start being prejudiced based on nose or ear size, etc..

Did you learn everything you 'really needed to know' about genetics from watching the X-Men movies? Human evolution occurs over a long time scale. Mutations fall into three broad categories; beneficial, harmful and junk. Junk mutations are the most common and do nothing, as far as is currently known, save create clutter. Harmful mutations are either recessive or dominant, but the worst dominant ones typically die out in a single specimen never to enter the full gene pool. Recessive baneful mutations crop up as traits only when both parents pass a copy to children so they remain in the gene pool for a long time even when lethal. Beneficial mutations are extremely rare and to a certain extent might be considered 'case' sensitive. For example, if you live in an area with a lot of Malaria, then the gene for sickle cell provides a reproductive survival benefit as it decrease the severity of malaria.

Size increases in the last couple of centuries are a result of (to paraphrase realtors)
Nutrition, Nutrition, Nutrition
not genetics.

Your conclusion, that diverse ethnic groups will interbreed to commonality, is based on the faulty assumption that people will choose to interbreed to a great enough degree to limit differences. Humans are programed to find their own "group" most attractive - some diverge from this, and certainly the exotic beauty of some is undeniable, but on the whole, for average people, a preference for their own appearance is the norm rather than the exception.

 

[Ravi]

What about the continuing evoloution of each "race"?

White european americans have changed a lot in just the past 100 years.
Look at some of those old suits of armor. Could an average person fit in one now?

in time all will blend in genetics and at that time people will start being prejudiced based on nose or ear size, etc..

Did you learn everything you 'really needed to know' about genetics from watching the X-Men movies? Human evolution occurs over a long time scale. Mutations fall into three broad categories; beneficial, harmful and junk. Junk mutations are the most common and do nothing, as far as is currently known, save create clutter. Harmful mutations are either recessive or dominant, but the worst dominant ones typically die out in a single specimen never to enter the full gene pool. Recessive baneful mutations crop up as traits only when both parents pass a copy to children so they remain in the gene pool for a long time even when lethal. Beneficial mutations are extremely rare and to a certain extent might be considered 'case' sensitive. For example, if you live in an area with a lot of Malaria, then the gene for sickle cell provides a reproductive survival benefit as it decrease the severity of malaria.

Size increases in the last couple of centuries are a result of (to paraphrase realtors)
Nutrition, Nutrition, Nutrition
not genetics.

Your conclusion, that diverse ethnic groups will interbreed to commonality, is based on the faulty assumption that people will choose to interbreed to a great enough degree to limit differences. Humans are programed to find their own "group" most attractive - some diverge from this, and certainly the exotic beauty of some is undeniable, but on the whole, for average people, a preference for their own appearance is the norm rather than the exception.

Yep. And the recent improvements in black test scores is not a product of evolution, it is a product of better nutrition and better educational systems.

Which, IMO, makes any claim that different races have different intellectual capacities bullshit.

 

[manifold]

If only white people would eat a more balanced diet they'd probably have better rhythm and be able to jump higher.

 

[Ravi]

If only white people would eat a more balanced diet they'd probably have better rhythm and be able to jump higher.

 

[manifold]

If only white people would eat a more balanced diet they'd probably have better rhythm and be able to jump higher.

Exactly.

 

[Ravi]

The point you are making is called a non sequitur.

 

[manifold]

I disagree.

 

[Ravi]

Then explain in detail how jumping and dancing prove that different ethnic groups have different intellectual capacities.

 

[manifold]

I said no such thing. Nor do I endorse the premise.

 

[Ravi]

Then explain what exactly you meant by your comment.

 

[manifold]

I meant to ridicule your ignorance.

 

[Valerie]

Then explain in detail how jumping and dancing prove that different ethnic groups have different intellectual capacities.

I think Jimmy the Greek, err Manifold, was referring to their physical capacities.

 

[manifold]

Then explain in detail how jumping and dancing prove that different ethnic groups have different intellectual capacities.

I think Jimmy the Greek, err Manifold, was referring to their physical capacities.

Funny.

However, brain processes ARE physical. Therefore the distinction is unnecessary and at times obfuscating.

 

[Ravi]

Then explain in detail how jumping and dancing prove that different ethnic groups have different intellectual capacities.

I think Jimmy the Greek, err Manifold, was referring to their physical capacities.

He seems to be afraid to explain himself so I've no idea what he's talking about.

 

[manifold]

Ravi isn't in denial, she is just very selective about the reality she accepts.

 

[52ndStreet]

There are hundreds of genetic markers that differentiate the Black race from the Caucasian race.
Whites tend to have more recessive genes, Blacks genes tend to be more dominate, ie, when
a Black person mates with a white person the Black features tend to be more visible, and or pronounced
in the offspring. This is has been proven over many hundreds of years, and is scientific fact.