General Patton Sounded More Like Barney Fife Than George C. Scott

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I haven't heard General George S. Patton speak that often, but it seemed like I was listening to Barney Fife than George C. Scott.

That's the thing about the movie "Patton". There wasn't a whole lot of it that was accurate. They focused on the slapping incident instead of all of the great leadership lessons the real General Patton taught his officers and men.



Here's what the real Gen Patton sounded like:

 
I detected a bit of southern accent. A voice sounding like a real patriot with no phoniness.
 
I detected a bit of southern accent. A voice sounding like a real patriot with no phoniness.
He was born in Los Angeles.

I've been living in the South for 32 years......so I have a bit of a Southern drawl.

But I was born in Montana and you could tell I was from there because most of us sound Canadian.
 
I haven't heard General George S. Patton speak that often, but it seemed like I was listening to Barney Fife than George C. Scott.

That's the thing about the movie "Patton". There wasn't a whole lot of it that was accurate. They focused on the slapping incident instead of all of the great leadership lessons the real General Patton taught his officers and men.



Here's what the real Gen Patton sounded like:


Sounded OK to me.
 
Sounded OK to me.
Patton was a great general.

He liked to scare the shit out of his officers when he first got a new command as soon as he walked in the door for the first time.

He would tell them they had one hour to bring a full combat-pack to the parking lot, in front of the messhall, and be ready to do a 20 mile road march. He told everyone that if they can't make the ruck to put in their transfer papers. Some of them told him they didn't have a full combat issue, so he said, bring whatever you have.

Everyone who showed up he congratulated and told them "Let's go in the messhall and have some lunch."

Then he'd sit with them for a few hours and tell them old war stories.
 
He was born in Los Angeles.

But from an old family that came from Virginia. And served in many Southern states for a great many years. Including Virginia, Maryland, and Texas. My father never lived in the Southern US, but could speak with a southern accent as his dad was from the Georgia-Alabama border region.

And in the time that he lived in California, the accent in California was very different than it is today. A lot of Southerners moved there before and after the Civil War, and the state did not gain the accent it is well known for now until decades later after it became a major destination during the Depression and War years.
 
But from an old family that came from Virginia. And served in many Southern states for a great many years. Including Virginia, Maryland, and Texas. My father never lived in the Southern US, but could speak with a southern accent as his dad was from the Georgia-Alabama border region.

And in the time that he lived in California, the accent in California was very different than it is today. A lot of Southerners moved there before and after the Civil War, and the state did not gain the accent it is well known for now until decades later after it became a major destination during the Depression and War years.
When I went to school at Southwestern College in Chula Vista everyone was speaking Spanish. So I took Spanish classes. But everyone wasn't speaking pure Spanish. Instead a Spanish slang that my instructor didn't teach.

The native born Californians had a dialect that I can only call Cheech & Chong Spanglish. You just have to hear it for awhile to know what they're talking about.

My wife is from Alabama. She spoke a real thick Southern accent, and I had to act as an entrepreneur for with my friends. They couldn't understand half of what she said. People used to think she was from another country, but after being with me for 47 yrs, she sounds pretty normal now.
 
When I went to school at Southwestern College in Chula Vista everyone was speaking Spanish. So I took Spanish classes. But everyone wasn't speaking pure Spanish. Instead a Spanish slang that my instructor didn't teach.

The native born Californians had a dialect that I can only call Cheech & Chong Spanglish. You just have to hear it for awhile to know what they're talking about.

I was born and raised in LA, so I know the California Accent very well. And yes, "Spanglish" is very common in California. Like seeing ads stating "Cerveza en venta - 6 Pack"

And we do have a particular dialect. The vowel shift, and how we say some things is very specific only to California. But more common, what tends to make it stand out is how we pronounce the Spanish words we commonly use.

It is not uncommon to hear outsiders call a major street "Rodeo Drive" completely different than we would. Or saying towns like "La Cañada", which most not from the area will call "La Canada". Or give an outsider directions to go to "La Brea", and unless they had heard a local say the name will say it wrong. El Cajon, La Mirada, Cahuenga, local see that and are much more familiar with the Spanish pronunciations than most outsiders, even if they do not speak Spanish.

And of course, then you have the simple aspect of having us describe freeway directions. That is a sure fire way to identify a Californian. And until recently, from Southern California only.

My wife is from Alabama. She spoke a real thick Southern accent, and I had to act as an entrepreneur for with my friends. They couldn't understand half of what she said. People used to think she was from another country, but after being with me for 47 yrs, she sounds pretty normal now.

But even then, the accents shift. In the 1980s I lived in North Carolina, and picked up their accent. Which tends to be a slower drawl than other areas of the South (think Andy Griffith). And in the 2000s, I lived in the Wiregrass (SE Alabama), where the accent and speech tend to be much faster than in Carolina (but if you move to the East into Georgia it slows down again). Then after that, the more "Twangy" accent of Texas. I know that a lot of people can't actually identify accents past a very simple level, Virginia, Carolinas, Tennessee, Mississippi, is all "Southern" to them. But I guess traveling as much as I have in my life made me more sensitive to them than others.
 
I was born and raised in LA, so I know the California Accent very well. And yes, "Spanglish" is very common in California. Like seeing ads stating "Cerveza en venta - 6 Pack"

And we do have a particular dialect. The vowel shift, and how we say some things is very specific only to California. But more common, what tends to make it stand out is how we pronounce the Spanish words we commonly use.

It is not uncommon to hear outsiders call a major street "Rodeo Drive" completely different than we would. Or saying towns like "La Cañada", which most not from the area will call "La Canada". Or give an outsider directions to go to "La Brea", and unless they had heard a local say the name will say it wrong. El Cajon, La Mirada, Cahuenga, local see that and are much more familiar with the Spanish pronunciations than most outsiders, even if they do not speak Spanish.

And of course, then you have the simple aspect of having us describe freeway directions. That is a sure fire way to identify a Californian. And until recently, from Southern California only.



But even then, the accents shift. In the 1980s I lived in North Carolina, and picked up their accent. Which tends to be a slower drawl than other areas of the South (think Andy Griffith). And in the 2000s, I lived in the Wiregrass (SE Alabama), where the accent and speech tend to be much faster than in Carolina (but if you move to the East into Georgia it slows down again). Then after that, the more "Twangy" accent of Texas. I know that a lot of people can't actually identify accents past a very simple level, Virginia, Carolinas, Tennessee, Mississippi, is all "Southern" to them. But I guess traveling as much as I have in my life made me more sensitive to them than others.
A friend of mine on my team at 5th group said he was from Louisiana but he sounded like he was from Southern California.
 
Hollywood played it straight picking Gregory Peck to play MacArthur in 1977. Why did they choose quirky George C. Scott who played maniac Gen. Buck Turgleson in Dr. Strangelove in 1964 to play Patton in 1970? Was the intent to portray hard charging tank commander Gen. George Patton as a clown?
 
Hollywood played it straight picking Gregory Peck to play MacArthur in 1977. Why did they choose quirky George C. Scott who played maniac Gen. Buck Turgleson in Dr. Strangelove in 1964 to play Patton in 1970? Was the intent to portray hard charging tank commander Gen. George Patton as a clown?
No, I know of no other actor that would fit that part.
 
No, I know of no other actor that would fit that part.
MacArthur's WW1 legacy has problems. He abandoned his Army in WW2 and was awarded the MOH in a short political essay. His conduct in Korea led to the biggest ambush in Military history and he never spent a single night on the peninsula. In short MacArthur should have been played by George C Scott and Patton should have been played by Gregory Peck.
 
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